Russia's Influence On The American Election

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfan, why do you keep saying things about Russia not changing any votes or the outcome of the election? The fact that they didn't make an impact doesn't make the crimes of collusion (if they exist) or hacking into systems not illegal. If I rob a bank and get away with it- I'm still on the hook for that crime until I'm caught or someone convinces a jury I didn't do it. 

This is getting exhausting.

What did Russia do? - until you give a viable answer I am saying my answer is nothing.

Well, I work for the Illinois State Board of Elections and they hacked us. But what do I know?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/15/russian-hackers-accessed-illinois-election-board-database-last-year/

Just because no votes were changed doesn't make what happened less illegal. 

Even the White House chief of staff acknowledged as far back as January that Russia hacked the DNC, but the morons who support Trump have their fingers stuck in their ears and won't hear it.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-russia-cyber-idUSKBN14S0O6

elvistheking44 said:

ledvedderman said: hi

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfan, why do you keep saying things about Russia not changing any votes or the outcome of the election? The fact that they didn't make an impact doesn't make the crimes of collusion (if they exist) or hacking into systems not illegal. If I rob a bank and get away with it- I'm still on the hook for that crime until I'm caught or someone convinces a jury I didn't do it. 

This is getting exhausting.

What did Russia do? - until you give a viable answer I am saying my answer is nothing.

Well, I work for the Illinois State Board of Elections and they hacked us. But what do I know?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/15/russian-hackers-accessed-illinois-election-board-database-last-year/

Just because no votes were changed doesn't make what happened less illegal. 

Quoting a source from the most corrupt, bankrupt and crooked state in the union and also admitting that no votes were changed is almost handing your opponents ammunition.

ledvedderman said:

elvistheking44 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

ledvedderman said:

PJfan, why do you keep saying things about Russia not changing any votes or the outcome of the election? The fact that they didn't make an impact doesn't make the crimes of collusion (if they exist) or hacking into systems not illegal. If I rob a bank and get away with it- I'm still on the hook for that crime until I'm caught or someone convinces a jury I didn't do it. 

This is getting exhausting.

What did Russia do? - until you give a viable answer I am saying my answer is nothing.

Well, I work for the Illinois State Board of Elections and they hacked us. But what do I know?

http://dailycaller.com/2017/06/15/russian-hackers-accessed-illinois-election-board-database-last-year/

Just because no votes were changed doesn't make what happened less illegal. 

Quoting a source from the most corrupt, bankrupt and crooked state in the union and also admitting that no votes were changed is almost handing your opponents ammunition.

Ughhhh. What? I'm the source. Yes, Illinois elected officials have a history of corruption- but what does that have to do with any of this? 

tbergs said:

Regardless of whether votes were changed or voters were purged, the bigger point here is that Trump and his administration continue to ignore this facet of the Russia story. You don't have to believe there was collusion between Trump's team and Russia to believe that the Russians tampered with the election. It seems Trump and most of his supporters don't want to go down that path because it will imply his election was tainted and that Russia did want him in office for their own reasons.

If your neighbors looked through your mail and email everyday, but didn't steal it or change it, would you find that ok? There's a lot of complaints about big brother and spying being done by the American government, but then it doesn't matter if Russia tampered in our electoral process and tried to change it? That makes no sense.

CM189191 said:

elvistheking44 said:

tbergs said:

Regardless of whether votes were changed or voters were purged, the bigger point here is that Trump and his administration continue to ignore this facet of the Russia story. You don't have to believe there was collusion between Trump's team and Russia to believe that the Russians tampered with the election. It seems Trump and most of his supporters don't want to go down that path because it will imply his election was tainted and that Russia did want him in office for their own reasons.

If your neighbors looked through your mail and email everyday, but didn't steal it or change it, would you find that ok? There's a lot of complaints about big brother and spying being done by the American government, but then it doesn't matter if Russia tampered in our electoral process and tried to change it? That makes no sense.

Thread title is Russia's influence on the election.  The USA AND RUSSIA both spy and hack each other daily.  I think people want the hard evidence that the Russians influenced the election.

tRump is President, how much hard evidence do people need?

tbergs said:

elvistheking44 said:

tbergs said:

Regardless of whether votes were changed or voters were purged, the bigger point here is that Trump and his administration continue to ignore this facet of the Russia story. You don't have to believe there was collusion between Trump's team and Russia to believe that the Russians tampered with the election. It seems Trump and most of his supporters don't want to go down that path because it will imply his election was tainted and that Russia did want him in office for their own reasons.

If your neighbors looked through your mail and email everyday, but didn't steal it or change it, would you find that ok? There's a lot of complaints about big brother and spying being done by the American government, but then it doesn't matter if Russia tampered in our electoral process and tried to change it? That makes no sense.

Thread title is Russia's influence on the election.  The USA AND RUSSIA both spy and hack each other daily.  I think people want the hard evidence that the Russians influenced the election.

Ok, fair enough. So if I understand you correctly, you are only concerned about Russia if they were physically able to change votes? The rest is just spy stuff that we should expect and comes with the territory. Besides that, don't you think our president should condemn or reassure the American people that this will be investigated thoroughly to ensure our electoral process is not subject to hacking for future elections?

tbergs said:

elvistheking44 said:

tbergs said:

elvistheking44 said:

tbergs said:

Regardless of whether votes were changed or voters were purged, the bigger point here is that Trump and his administration continue to ignore this facet of the Russia story. You don't have to believe there was collusion between Trump's team and Russia to believe that the Russians tampered with the election. It seems Trump and most of his supporters don't want to go down that path because it will imply his election was tainted and that Russia did want him in office for their own reasons.

If your neighbors looked through your mail and email everyday, but didn't steal it or change it, would you find that ok? There's a lot of complaints about big brother and spying being done by the American government, but then it doesn't matter if Russia tampered in our electoral process and tried to change it? That makes no sense.

Thread title is Russia's influence on the election.  The USA AND RUSSIA both spy and hack each other daily.  I think people want the hard evidence that the Russians influenced the election.

Ok, fair enough. So if I understand you correctly, you are only concerned about Russia if they were physically able to change votes? The rest is just spy stuff that we should expect and comes with the territory. Besides that, don't you think our president should condemn or reassure the American people that this will be investigated thoroughly to ensure our electoral process is not subject to hacking for future elections?

All things that happened well before this election.  I'm no more concerned about Russia now than I was 4 years ago.  Trump is a goof for sure, but he didn't win the election because of Russia, which people just can't believe for whatever reason.

I don't think he won the election because of Russia either. I am more concerned that our infrastructure is compromised and that this was just the first fishing expedition to test the waters. True, this happened before Trump was president, but he continues to deny they interfered. All while making sure that we know about every "terrorist" being allowed in the country due to his failed travel ban. He promotes fear when it benefits him and instead denies evidence because it doesn't. That's my biggest issue. I am no more afraid of Russia then I am an Islamic terrorist attack.

Kev - Coat and Keys said:

Trump may have not won the general election through direct Russian interference, but there is a lot of evidence of their fake news and robot online support helping him to the nomination.
The Russians have their little hashtag factories that helped convince the vast amount of under educated (that Trump is found of), of his potential greatness. Which hopefully we shall see any day now.