Something about teacher's pay...

"Other professional" here.

I work 830-500 Monday thru Friday. I get 10 paid holidays and 4 weeks of paid vacation per year. (Amounting to 6 work weeks of paid time off, approximately 1.5 months).

Rarely do I ever work more than 40 hours and if I do, it's 41.

I get every weekend off. I get every evening off. I don't take work home with me because there is no work to take home. (Even if there was, I still wouldn't.)

Of the 250 days x 8 hours = 2000 hours worked annually, I probably put in about 1375 hours of actual work (5.5 hrs per day on average). The rest of that time is spent socializing or online. And that's me, one of the hardest working people at my job. Others fuck around way more often than I do.

Teachers are at school, teaching, 180 days a year. That's 1440 hours. 65 hours more than what I put in annually. And that's not even including the time spent after hours, on weekends, in the summer at conferences, continuing ed, etc. that they have to do. Already at the base they are working more.

So enough of this shit about teaching being a part time job and teachers getting a 2.5 month vacation. They put in more (or at the very least, comparable) hours annually than most of us.

Not to mention my job (and most likely yours, too) means absolute shit in the grand scheme of shaping the future generations of this world.

HesCalledDyer said:

"Other professional" here.

I work 830-500 Monday thru Friday. I get 10 paid holidays and 4 weeks of paid vacation per year. (Amounting to 6 work weeks of paid time off, approximately 1.5 months).

Rarely do I ever work more than 40 hours and if I do, it's 41.

I get every weekend off. I get every evening off. I don't take work home with me because there is no work to take home. (Even if there was, I still wouldn't.)

Of the 250 days x 8 hours = 2000 hours worked annually, I probably put in about 1375 hours of actual work (5.5 hrs per day on average). The rest of that time is spent socializing or online. And that's me, one of the hardest working people at my job. Others fuck around way more often than I do.

Teachers are at school, teaching, 180 days a year. That's 1440 hours. 65 hours more than what I put in annually. And that's not even including the time spent after hours, on weekends, in the summer at conferences, continuing ed, etc. that they have to do. Already at the base they are working more.

So enough of this shit about teaching being a part time job and teachers getting a 2.5 month vacation. They put in more (or at the very least, comparable) hours annually than most of us.

Not to mention my job (and most likely yours, too) means absolute shit in the grand scheme of shaping the future generations of this world.

Thanks for that bud!  Awesome post!!!

HesCalledDyer said:

"Other professional" here.

I work 830-500 Monday thru Friday. I get 10 paid holidays and 4 weeks of paid vacation per year. (Amounting to 6 work weeks of paid time off, approximately 1.5 months).

Rarely do I ever work more than 40 hours and if I do, it's 41.

I get every weekend off. I get every evening off. I don't take work home with me because there is no work to take home. (Even if there was, I still wouldn't.)

Of the 250 days x 8 hours = 2000 hours worked annually, I probably put in about 1375 hours of actual work (5.5 hrs per day on average). The rest of that time is spent socializing or online. And that's me, one of the hardest working people at my job. Others fuck around way more often than I do.

Teachers are at school, teaching, 180 days a year. That's 1440 hours. 65 hours more than what I put in annually. And that's not even including the time spent after hours, on weekends, in the summer at conferences, continuing ed, etc. that they have to do. Already at the base they are working more.

So enough of this shit about teaching being a part time job and teachers getting a 2.5 month vacation. They put in more (or at the very least, comparable) hours annually than most of us.

Not to mention my job (and most likely yours, too) means absolute shit in the grand scheme of shaping the future generations of this world.

Well said
However,  there are people in this country, and on here, who will always believe that teachers are under worked and overpaid.

my2hands said:

Bloated administrative salaries in the educational field, now that's a different story 

The principal of the school i work in is in charge of 100 staff and 1250 students and makes around 150k. Is that bloated in your opinion?

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

Bloated administrative salaries in the educational field, now that's a different story 

The principal of the school i work in is in charge of 100 staff and 1250 students and makes around 150k. Is that bloated in your opinion?

But (and I don't know the number off the top of my head but you might) factor in how many individuals does the typical principle deal with in an average day and how many does a teacher deal with, both in total number per day and how many must they juggle at one time.  You know!

And then factor in the total number of non-teacher staff.  In many schools, administrative staff and other positions total more than the total number of teachers. 

In my seven years as a teacher, my sense was that administrative staff overall was bloated.  Also, in the two years I worked as program assistant in a college the joke among the profs (I actually heard this said a few times) was that, in general, administrators had the attitude that "if it wasn't for the damn students we could get some work done around here".  Not that all admin folks are poor employees or overpaid, but I do think my2hands comment holds some truth.

oh absolutely, way too many administrators.  you figure for me as an 8th grade social studies teacher I have: a superintendent, two assistant superintendents, a social studies supervisor, a special ed supervisor, a principal and two vp's.  Now grant it we are one of the biggest districts in the state (10 elementary schools and two middle schools)

brianlux said:

mcgruff10 said:

my2hands said:

Bloated administrative salaries in the educational field, now that's a different story 

The principal of the school i work in is in charge of 100 staff and 1250 students and makes around 150k. Is that bloated in your opinion?

But (and I don't know the number off the top of my head but you might) factor in how many individuals does the typical principle deal with in an average day and how many does a teacher deal with, both in total number per day and how many must they juggle at one time.  You know!

And then factor in the total number of non-teacher staff.  In many schools, administrative staff and other positions total more than the total number of teachers. 

In my seven years as a teacher, my sense was that administrative staff overall was bloated.  Also, in the two years I worked as program assistant in a college the joke among the profs (I actually heard this said a few times) was that, in general, administrators had the attitude that "if it wasn't for the damn students we could get some work done around here".  Not that all admin folks are poor employees or overpaid, but I do think my2hands comment holds some truth.

My dad is a retired principal, and I can confirm that principals generally deal with straight up bullshit from stupid people all day long, and still manage to keep the school running, hopefully well. Teachers, students, and, worse of all by far, parents, all bombard principals with their issues constantly. Yes, they deserve every penny they earn, assuming they are fulfilling their responsibilities (as well as funding will allow). Also, my dad was a very beloved principal, by his teachers and his students. And no way in hell would he have tolerated anything other than excellence from his administrative staff. Are there some shitty administrators out there? Of course! Are there some shitty people in all professions, no matter what the pay is? Yes! Individuals sucking at their job is not what you look at when you are figuring whether or not the profession as a whole is properly compensated.

In this day and age... you'd be a fool to enter the profession.

All the schooling required doesn't come close to matching the job rewards from a financial perspective. And say nothing of the general disrespect from the public and employer groups.

There's a looming teacher shortage. When that event occurs, people will scratch their noggins and ask, "Why is there a teacher shortage?" When they ask the question... they'll be more receptive to hearing the answers. Until then...let them bash away.

Government schools won't exist in 20 years as they currently do.

An ipad will automate out the teacher, one course instructor will guide hundreds of students.  Textbook manufacturing will dwindle to nearly nothing.  Students will eventually all be taught at home.