Hawking "humans must leave earth to survive"
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I recently read that Vancouver would have about the same climate as San Diego by 2050, which would be a complete ecological and economic disaster obviously. That wasn't a Hawking prediction either.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
Yeah, we're fucked. I am REALLY glad I chose not to have children. I feel better about that choice every fucking day. Which is depressing, in a way, lol.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
There is not an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea (I mean, unless you're talking about dating....). The ocean's resources are vast but definitely not unlimited. Humans have already wiped out certain fish populations by overfishing and we are not learning from that lesson. Fishing technology is just far too efficient now. When you count in waste from bycatch and the fact that a lot of species are unpalatable, I can easily see humans turning the oceans into a desert.
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i said unimaginable, not unlimited. i personally can't imagine every single fish on the planet. it's inconceivable to a human. again, i'm not saying we won't ruin it. we most likely will, i just can't see it happening that soon.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
There is not an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea (I mean, unless you're talking about dating....). The ocean's resources are vast but definitely not unlimited. Humans have already wiped out certain fish populations by overfishing and we are not learning from that lesson. Fishing technology is just far too efficient now. When you count in waste from bycatch and the fact that a lot of species are unpalatable, I can easily see humans turning the oceans into a desert.
that being said, i'm not against regulations at all. we overfish. we fucking over-everything. it's gross.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
My first thought was, Stephen Hawk-kaching.HughFreakingDillon said:I don't buy it. he is trying to sell his documentary. any time someone makes a bold, especially fear-based claim like that, and it turns out they are promoting something, I call BS.
Plus, these kinds of predictions are so freaking unproductive. Yes, if we kill the oceans (and we are doing our damnedest to do so) we will go extinct. If we jack the global temp up too high, adios amigos. If he engage in all out nuclear war, gonners. But we don't know when and we don't know how complete will be our demise. Instead of wasting time making predictions like this, I wish high profile science guys like Hawking would do something useful to help- and a lot of them are- people like Elizabeth Kolbert and Edward O. Wilson- as well as scores of lesser famous scientists.
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what blows my mind is how destructive we have become to our planet in the last 100 years and with the pace of that destruction multiplying faster and faster. we just can't maintain this pace of destruction. be it, the rain forest, the oceans, air pollution etc etc
when we finally strip the ocean of fish what are all those people going to do who depend on fish as their main dietary source of food? are they ready? i doubt it.
do we have another 100 years of being able to sustain ourselves like they way we are now? i highly doubt it and like others have mentioned it will need to be a focused response by everyone on the planet...good luck to that !!
i try to be upbeat and positive mostly but we are headed for extinction and at a accelerating pace! if anything stephen should be commended for making us talk about it...cause the opposite to that is harmful to our species.
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Hey Brian, did you check out Black Mirror yet?brianlux said:Worcester1 13, Worcester2 13, Hartford 13, San Diego 13, Los Angeles1 13, Los Angeles2 13
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Turkey too, almost wiped them out. Passenger Pigeons by the millions, gone.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
The Bison density was probably higher, millions upon millions in a much smaller geography.HughFreakingDillon said:
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
The ocean is actually pretty empty already. The great expanses of intercontinental ocean are largely empty, most of the fish live in coastal ecosystems, where we fish them like crazy.Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Yes, I agree it feels stressful. Sometimes I feel like we are waiting until it's really really bad to make the real changes but then it's already too late. The COP21 meeting that was Held in Paris 2015, I think many good decisions was made but I am doubtful the strength is there to keep those promises.helplessdancer said:what blows my mind is how destructive we have become to our planet in the last 100 years and with the pace of that destruction multiplying faster and faster. we just can't maintain this pace of destruction. be it, the rain forest, the oceans, air pollution etc etc
when we finally strip the ocean of fish what are all those people going to do who depend on fish as their main dietary source of food? are they ready? i doubt it.
do we have another 100 years of being able to sustain ourselves like they way we are now? i highly doubt it and like others have mentioned it will need to be a focused response by everyone on the planet...good luck to that !!
i try to be upbeat and positive mostly but we are headed for extinction and at a accelerating pace! if anything stephen should be commended for making us talk about it...cause the opposite to that is harmful to our species.0 -
really? if that's true, my perception is much different than reality.rgambs said:
The Bison density was probably higher, millions upon millions in a much smaller geography.HughFreakingDillon said:
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
The ocean is actually pretty empty already. The great expanses of intercontinental ocean are largely empty, most of the fish live in coastal ecosystems, where we fish them like crazy.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
Many populations have already managed to wipe out the fish populations in their own regions, and again, that was back when the population was a fraction of what it is now. The ocean has already been emptied of a huge portion of the life it holds - finishing the job shouldn't be hard at all. I think you may be underestimating just how much people take out of it. Add to that all the sea life that is just dying off because of pollution and climate change .... I sincerely think the oceans are doomed. I actually think we've already passed the point of no return.HughFreakingDillon said:
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
It's not like people would literally fish every fish out of the oceans. Once you hit a certain point, populations can't thrive and die off anyway, and that, of course, carries on up the food chain. Besides, it started happening many many years ago - we're just in the last dying breaths now, which is why 30 years could be a very realistic number.HughFreakingDillon said:
i said unimaginable, not unlimited. i personally can't imagine every single fish on the planet. it's inconceivable to a human. again, i'm not saying we won't ruin it. we most likely will, i just can't see it happening that soon.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
There is not an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea (I mean, unless you're talking about dating....). The ocean's resources are vast but definitely not unlimited. Humans have already wiped out certain fish populations by overfishing and we are not learning from that lesson. Fishing technology is just far too efficient now. When you count in waste from bycatch and the fact that a lot of species are unpalatable, I can easily see humans turning the oceans into a desert.
that being said, i'm not against regulations at all. we overfish. we fucking over-everything. it's gross.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
you may have missed my reply to gambs. my perception does not seem to mirror reality.PJ_Soul said:
It's not like people would literally fish every fish out of the oceans. Once you hit a certain point, populations can't thrive and die off anyway, and that, of course, carries on up the food chain. Besides, it started happening many many years ago - we're just in the last dying breaths now, which is why 30 years could be a very realistic number.HughFreakingDillon said:
i said unimaginable, not unlimited. i personally can't imagine every single fish on the planet. it's inconceivable to a human. again, i'm not saying we won't ruin it. we most likely will, i just can't see it happening that soon.oftenreading said:HughFreakingDillon said:
there is an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea. not really comparable to beavers or buffalo. but still, i see your point. i have a hard time believing that governments will step in, because that would require international cooperation on an unprecedented level, and that just won't happen. if it does, it will most likely be too late already. humankind has a bad habit of fixing things when they are already beyond repair.PJ_Soul said:
Never underestimate the ability of humans to decimate a population quickly. They managed to nearly wipe out beavers and buffalo in North America in only a handful of decades back when the population was only a small fraction of what it is today. I have no doubt whatsoever that people can empty the oceans and seas in 30 years, especially with climate change doing the same job at the same time..... It's also fathomable that somehow governments will step in and do something real before this happens... but I'm not holding my breath. I feel extremely pessimistic about the future of humanity and how much damage it can still do before it's gone.HughFreakingDillon said:
yes, I have heard that too. it is realy difficult for me to fathom us overfishing to the point of the ocean being empty in only 30 years. the sheer vastness of it doesn't seem to add up.helplessdancer said:i've also heard the fish will run out in the ocean by 2050, just saying...and that one's not mister hawking's prediction!
we are f'd no matter which way you slice the sandwich
either way, I am going to encourage my kids to not procreate. Get a dog.
There is not an unimaginable amount of fish in the sea (I mean, unless you're talking about dating....). The ocean's resources are vast but definitely not unlimited. Humans have already wiped out certain fish populations by overfishing and we are not learning from that lesson. Fishing technology is just far too efficient now. When you count in waste from bycatch and the fact that a lot of species are unpalatable, I can easily see humans turning the oceans into a desert.
that being said, i'm not against regulations at all. we overfish. we fucking over-everything. it's gross.Your boos mean nothing to me, for I have seen what makes you cheer0 -
No, dang it! Couldn't find it on Netflix. Maybe because we don't have streaming?SmallestOceans said:
Hey Brian, did you check out Black Mirror yet?brianlux said:
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Hilsa: 'The fish are getting smaller'
http://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-asia-39874336/the-fish-are-getting-smaller
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