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  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Here in California, since the election that made marijuana legal for recreational use, I have heard almost no talk about the subject whatsoever other than a few brief comments from a few people who don't smoke. It's almost as if the law never happened. Almost as if it didn't matter one way or the other.

    Oh, wait, this is California, that's gotta be it!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299


    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-by-july-2018/

  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,509
    rssesq said:



    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-by-july-2018/

    YEP. just in time for my kids to be pre-teens. LOL
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rssesq said:



    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-by-july-2018/

    YEP. just in time for my kids to be pre-teens. LOL
    Haha. Well, I guess it will likely be harder for them to get it once it's legalized, not easier (which still isn't saying much... it will be about as hard for them to get as alcohol, lol).
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,509
    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rssesq said:



    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-by-july-2018/

    YEP. just in time for my kids to be pre-teens. LOL
    Haha. Well, I guess it will likely be harder for them to get it once it's legalized, not easier (which still isn't saying much... it will be about as hard for them to get as alcohol, lol).
    if anything, I'm happy they'll have the choice of that over booze. I honestly think weed is way less harmful.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rssesq said:



    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-by-july-2018/

    YEP. just in time for my kids to be pre-teens. LOL
    Haha. Well, I guess it will likely be harder for them to get it once it's legalized, not easier (which still isn't saying much... it will be about as hard for them to get as alcohol, lol).
    if anything, I'm happy they'll have the choice of that over booze. I honestly think weed is way less harmful.
    Well that's not an opinion, but a fact. That's what makes the anti-legalization people who don't advocate for the prohibition of alcohol so completely ridiculous.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    rssesq said:



    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-to-legalize-recreational-marijuana-by-july-2018/

    YEP. just in time for my kids to be pre-teens. LOL
    They may still need a prescription, then.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Looks like the new Drug Czar is as ignorant about weed as that hillbilly Jeff Sessions.

    The new White House drug czar has quite an idea for where to put nonviolent drug users
    In Congress, Marino voted multiple times against a bipartisan measure to prevent the Justice Department from going after state-legal medical marijuana businesses. (The measure ultimately passed.)

    Similarly, he voted against a measure to allow Veterans Affairs doctors to recommend medical marijuana to their patients, as well as against a separate measure to loosen federal restrictions on hemp, a non-psychoactive variant of the cannabis plant with potential industrial applications.

    Those votes place Marino well to the right of dozens of his Republican House colleagues who supported the measures. He also voted against a measure that would loosen some restrictions on CBD oil, a non-psychoactive derivative of the cannabis plant that holds promise for treating severe forms of childhood epilepsy.

    Asked about marijuana legalization last fall, Marino told a reporter that “the only way I would agree to consider legalizing marijuana is if we had a really in depth-medical scientific study. If it does help people one way or another, then produce it in pill form.” But, he added, “I think it’s a states’ rights issue.”
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    edited April 2017
    Well Marino is most likely getting massive kick backs from certain lobbyists to fight MJ/hemp like that. The fight against MJ has always actually been economic, at the core. And then some morons bought into reefer madness and it was all downhill from there. I assume Marino is doing this out of greed though, not a deep belief in reefer madness.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ_Soul said:

    Well Marino is most likely getting massive kick backs from certain lobbyists to fight MJ/hemp like that. The fight against MJ has always actually been economic, at the core. And then some morons bought into reefer madness and it was all downhill from there. I assume Marino is doing this out of greed though, not a deep belief in reefer madness.

    I don't doubt that. Big Pharma owns plenty of dems and reps in Congress. We've recently seen bipartisan opposition to lowering prescription drug prices here as well. $$$
    And we know Sessions loves private prisons and would like to refill them with MJ users, so it sounds like Marino is on board there.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    Just heard that Canada government has just tabled a bill to make pot legal by 2018. I wish it was much sooner like now but hopefully this passes.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    fife said:

    Just heard that Canada government has just tabled a bill to make pot legal by 2018. I wish it was much sooner like now but hopefully this passes.

    Legislation takes time to go through the process, and after it does, the provinces still have to implement it. Lots of things to sort out, from where it's legal to sell to what level it's taxed at. I'm just glad they finally got it formally in process.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,509
    awesome that their timeline for legalization is CANADA DAY. LOL
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    Yup. And some people are complaining about that. Of course.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Thought this was relevant....SD suspected of drug use forced to take drug test via catheter
    Hooded, handcuffed, and 'violated': South Dakota's use of forced catheterization
    Dirk Sparks lay hooded and handcuffed as four police officers pinned him to a hospital exam table. A nurse at Avera St. Mary's Hospital in Pierre inserted a pencil-sized tube into Sparks' urethra to drain his bladder. Moments later, an officer with the Pierre Police Department held a cup of Sparks' urine that soon would be sent off for drug testing.

    This is Jeff Session's America
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    CM189191 said:

    Thought this was relevant....SD suspected of drug use forced to take drug test via catheter
    Hooded, handcuffed, and 'violated': South Dakota's use of forced catheterization
    Dirk Sparks lay hooded and handcuffed as four police officers pinned him to a hospital exam table. A nurse at Avera St. Mary's Hospital in Pierre inserted a pencil-sized tube into Sparks' urethra to drain his bladder. Moments later, an officer with the Pierre Police Department held a cup of Sparks' urine that soon would be sent off for drug testing.

    This is Jeff Session's America

    Fuck that, and fuck those backward South Dakota hicks. Jesus, what a nightmare. Draw blood, or hold him in a cell until he produces a sample. But ramming a catheter up his pee hole seems extremely harsh and invasive.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    jeffbr said:

    CM189191 said:

    Thought this was relevant....SD suspected of drug use forced to take drug test via catheter
    Hooded, handcuffed, and 'violated': South Dakota's use of forced catheterization
    Dirk Sparks lay hooded and handcuffed as four police officers pinned him to a hospital exam table. A nurse at Avera St. Mary's Hospital in Pierre inserted a pencil-sized tube into Sparks' urethra to drain his bladder. Moments later, an officer with the Pierre Police Department held a cup of Sparks' urine that soon would be sent off for drug testing.

    This is Jeff Session's America

    Fuck that, and fuck those backward South Dakota hicks. Jesus, what a nightmare. Draw blood, or hold him in a cell until he produces a sample. But ramming a catheter up his pee hole seems extremely harsh and invasive.
    I take issue with that too. You shouldn't be able to force someone to give a sample. You might be able to compel them via court order, and arrest them if they refuse.

    Unfortunately, that's not the case:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bodily_integrity#United_States
    The United States Constitution does not contain any specific provisions regarding the rights one has with respect to his or her physical body or the specific extent to which the state can act upon bodies. However, the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld right to privacy, which, as articulated by Julie Lane, often protects rights to bodily integrity. In Griswold v. Connecticut (1965) the Court supported women’s rights to obtain birth control (and thus, retain reproductive autonomy) without marital consent. Similarly, a woman’s right to privacy in obtaining abortions (also a key reproductive right) was protected Roe v. Wade (1973). In McFall v. Shimp (1978), a Pennsylvania court ruled that a person cannot be forced to donate bone marrow, even if such a donation would save another person's life.

    Conversely, the Supreme Court has also protected the right of governmental entities to infringe upon bodily integrity. Examples include laws prohibiting the use of drugs, laws prohibiting euthanasia, laws requiring the use of seatbelts and helmets, strip searches of prisoners, and forced blood tests.
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Melissa Etheridge: ‘I’d Much Rather Have a Smoke With My Grown Kids Than a Drink’
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    CM189191 said:

    Melissa Etheridge: ‘I’d Much Rather Have a Smoke With My Grown Kids Than a Drink’

    Certainly the better choice of the two.

    I'm a cautious proponent of marijuana. It has it's benefits both in medical and recreation.

    But even the mostly milder strains of the herb that were going around in the sixties could cause some anxiety in inexperienced smokers, especially teens and young adults and especially when under emotional duress.

    In the song, "(When You're On) The Losing End" Neil young sang:

    "Well, I miss you more than ever,
    since you've gone
    I can hardly maintain."

    Back in the day (and maybe now?) the word "maintain" meant "not freaking out". Almost all weed today has a much higher concentration of THC. Give a young adult a potent joint when he or she has had an emotional experience like breaking up with someone (or worse) and that kind of high can be a really, really bad low. Been there. Not at all fun.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    brianlux said:

    CM189191 said:

    Melissa Etheridge: ‘I’d Much Rather Have a Smoke With My Grown Kids Than a Drink’

    Certainly the better choice of the two.

    I'm a cautious proponent of marijuana. It has it's benefits both in medical and recreation.

    But even the mostly milder strains of the herb that were going around in the sixties could cause some anxiety in inexperienced smokers, especially teens and young adults and especially when under emotional duress.

    In the song, "(When You're On) The Losing End" Neil young sang:

    "Well, I miss you more than ever,
    since you've gone
    I can hardly maintain."

    Back in the day (and maybe now?) the word "maintain" meant "not freaking out". Almost all weed today has a much higher concentration of THC. Give a young adult a potent joint when he or she has had an emotional experience like breaking up with someone (or worse) and that kind of high can be a really, really bad low. Been there. Not at all fun.
    True statement, but it applies times ten for alcohol, so it doesn't bother me. Everyone has to find their niche, I get anxiety when I get stoned, so I don't get stoned.
    I use nearly every day, often multiple times a day, but I never get past a light buzz.
    I guess my point is that any intoxicant has a negative side, but the negative side of marijuana is very benign, in comparison to most others.
    It's tough to walk the line, admitting negative effects at all works to the benefits of those who don't understand or refuse to admit how safe it is compared to legal intoxicants that people, including kids, already get their hands on.
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
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