America's Gun Violence

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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499

    Key word there is smart. It seems like the standards to be in the militia are pretty low. Lot's of dumbasses out there with guns.
    If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:

    If you are referring to the standards for being in America, then I mostly agree. That's why law abiding citizens do feel the need to arm themselves.
    Gun ownership does decrease as education increases
    College Post Graduate 30 %
    College Graduate 37 %
    Some College 41 %
    High School Graduate or Less 42 %
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    CM189191 said:

    Gun ownership does decrease as education increases
    College Post Graduate 30 %
    College Graduate 37 %
    Some College 41 %
    High School Graduate or Less 42 %
    Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited April 2017
    PJPOWER said:

    Are you inferring that the uneducated are criminals? I question the methodology of how those statistics were gathered. Even if they are correct, there is a thousand ways they could be interpreted. One way may be that uneducated people live in poverty stricken neighborhoods at a greater percentage and feel a greater need to arm themselves. But again, I question a valid method of gathering demographic firearm ownership data when a large number of gun owners most likely would not answer firearm related surveys accurately. Unless the surveyors are actually going in and checking houses over...There should be a disclaimer of "these are based on survey answers and may not reflect the truth".
    The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.

    As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
    And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research

    There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited April 2017
    CM189191 said:

    The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.

    As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
    And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research

    There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."
    "We collect data using 4 main methods; Online surveys, Phone surveys, In-Person Interviews, and Direct Mail Questionnaires.

    And I wonder if certain demographics are more inclined to answer these types of surveys accurately? Maybe we should survey and see... For instance, would an educated republican be more inclined or less to answer a gun survey accurately?
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,000
    CM189191 said:

    The study is inferring there is a correlation between gun ownership and the uneducated. Or, the more educated one is, the less likely they are to own a gun. There is no inference about causation.

    As for the methodology, they appear to be pretty transparent: http://www.statisticbrain.com/our-methodology/
    And sources cited too: Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, Gallup Inc, Pew Research

    There should be a disclaimer: "Information enclosed may not fit with your world view, but that does not mean it is not accurate."
    I have two BA's and a master and own over a dozen firearms. I guess i'm some sort of anomaly.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    mcgruff10 said:

    I have two BA's and a master and own over a dozen firearms. I guess i'm some sort of anomaly.
    30% is hardly an anomoly
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:

    "We collect data using 4 main methods; Online surveys, Phone surveys, In-Person Interviews, and Direct Mail Questionnaires.

    And I wonder if certain demographics are more inclined to answer these types of surveys accurately? Maybe we should survey and see... For instance, would an educated republican be more inclined or less to answer a gun survey accurately?
    Statistic Brain’s corporate policies and procedures dictate that each employee shall aggregate research from multiple sources including: varying news outlets, think tanks and white papers, focus groups, social media, industry standards and benchmarking, subject matter experts (SME’s), internal research, etc.)
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,137
    Yeah. Gun owners are either stupid or just uneducated, uninformed rednecks living in fear.

    Is that about right?
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,137
    Oh yeah, they're all implicit in any crime that anyone commits with a gun.

    All have blood on their hands........
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    dudeman said:

    Yeah. Gun owners are either stupid or just uneducated, uninformed rednecks living in fear.

    Is that about right?

    you forgot religious extremists
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,137
    Ooops! Sorry. I should have gotten more schooling.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,422
    dudeman said:

    Yeah. Gun owners are either stupid or just uneducated, uninformed rednecks living in fear.

    Is that about right?

    Just more likely to have less education. The fear question is a good one, though. Maybe an area for more research?
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,422
    CM189191 said:

    you forgot religious extremists
    Another good one: the relationship between religious extremism and gun ownership.
  • mcgruff10 said:

    I have two BA's and a master and own over a dozen firearms. I guess i'm some sort of anomaly.
    You also knuckle drag when you walk down the street too. Don't forget about that one you University of Guatemala graduate.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 7,378

    You also knuckle drag when you walk down the street too. Don't forget about that one you University of Guatemala graduate.
    The humor does not preclude the fact that America has serious problems that simply doesn't exist in other countries.
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    You mean the second amendment, which calls for a "well regulated Militia."
    Heller validated it applies to the individual. Next.
  • HesCalledDyerHesCalledDyer Maryland Posts: 16,472
    unsung said:

    Heller validated it applies to the individual. Next.
    Well if ONE person says so...
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    Add Iowa to the list of states to avoid
    Branstad signs 'stand-your-ground' gun bill
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,422

    Well if ONE person says so...
    Exactly. When you happen to agree with a Supreme Court decision it's the word of God. We'll ignore all the courts stance prior to Heller that said it didn't apply to the individual. For all those years, the courts were just wrong apparently.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499

    Exactly. When you happen to agree with a Supreme Court decision it's the word of God. We'll ignore all the courts stance prior to Heller that said it didn't apply to the individual. For all those years, the courts were just wrong apparently.
    Apparently...and I fully see you guys leaning on a Supreme Court decision if, in the unlikely event, it were reversed.
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:

    Apparently...and I fully see you guys leaning on a Supreme Court decision if, in the unlikely event, it were reversed.
    Let's be honest, at the end of the day, all these guns nuts are nothing but pawns, rubes & useful idiots. Telling people the government is coming to steal their guns drives voters to the polls to vote R. It's a wedge issue to get suckers riled up and vote for patriotism.

    If the GOP & NRA were serious about the gun rights of the individual, why don't they simply revise the Constitution for clarity?

    They already ignore the most important part anyways:
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited April 2017
    CM189191 said:

    Let's be honest, at the end of the day, all these guns nuts are nothing but pawns, rubes & useful idiots. Telling people the government is coming to steal their guns drives voters to the polls to vote R. It's a wedge issue to get suckers riled up and vote for patriotism.

    If the GOP & NRA were serious about the gun rights of the individual, why don't they simply revise the Constitution for clarity?

    They already ignore the most important part anyways:
    The 1st amendment mentions nothing about the internet...are you sure it applies? What other amendments should we start revising? Gun manufacturers should actually encourage Democrat votes, great for business and as you implied, will never actually succeed in "stealing guns". The idiots are the crybabies that think America will ever actually be a "gun free zone".
  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,422
    PJPOWER said:

    Apparently...and I fully see you guys leaning on a Supreme Court decision if, in the unlikely event, it were reversed.
    My reaction would be "I think 2A applies to a militia, and the Supreme Court agrees". Not "I'm right and you're wrong and the Supreme Court says so". Subtle, but big difference.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited April 2017

    My reaction would be "I think 2A applies to a militia, and the Supreme Court agrees". Not "I'm right and you're wrong and the Supreme Court says so". Subtle, but big difference.
    Not really, my stance is that the 2A applies to the people, and the Supreme Court agrees. The big difference is that, currently, the Supreme Court does not agree with your thought. Anyways, this is getting a little absurd, I'm out.
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  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,000

    You also knuckle drag when you walk down the street too. Don't forget about that one you University of Guatemala graduate.
    University of South by SouthEast Honduras jack ass. Get it right.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:

    The 1st amendment mentions nothing about the internet...are you sure it applies? What other amendments should we start revising? Gun manufacturers should actually encourage Democrat votes, great for business and as you implied, will never actually succeed in "stealing guns". The idiots are the crybabies that think America will ever actually be a "gun free zone".
    ...ramblings of a madman...
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    PJPOWER said:

    The 1st amendment mentions nothing about the internet...are you sure it applies? What other amendments should we start revising? Gun manufacturers should actually encourage Democrat votes, great for business and as you implied, will never actually succeed in "stealing guns". The idiots are the crybabies that think America will ever actually be a "gun free zone".
    I mean, I had my reservations about the 18th. But it seems we got that one sorted out. The 13th and the 18th were nice additions.

    Updating or revising the Constitution is not unpresidented.

    fun fact: did you know it took 202 years to ratify the 27th Amendment?
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,000
    CM189191 said:

    I mean, I had my reservations about the 18th. But it seems we got that one sorted out. The 13th and the 18th were nice additions.

    Updating or revising the Constitution is not unpresidented.

    fun fact: did you know it took 202 years to ratify the 27th Amendment?
    Why the heck do you like the 18th amendment?! It was a complete failure lol.
    I'm gonna have a beer and toast you! ;)
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • CM189191CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    CM189191 said:

    I mean, I had my reservations about the 18th. But it seems we got that one sorted out. The 13th and the 18th 19th were nice additions.

    Updating or revising the Constitution is not unpresidented.

    fun fact: did you know it took 202 years to ratify the 27th Amendment?
    ftfm
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