Syria and the US's Motive

polaris_x said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

polaris_x said:

CM189191 said:

polaris_x said:

CM189191 said:

polaris_x said:

CM189191 said:

polaris_x said:

CM189191 said:

polaris_x said:

another good summation of how people need to view the information ...

https://sciscomedia.co.uk/sarin-gas-assad-fake-news/

if you're gonna decry the source - then I challenge you to find any faulty information and evidence of such ...

Wow, an entire article of: "I don't know anything, I'm just asking questions here!" It's like the broken clock method of 'journalism': if I write about enough conspiracy theories, one of them is bound to hit!

Who is this author, what makes him an authority on anything? How many shitty news orgs does he write for?
https://sciscomedia.co.uk/author/danielmargrain/
https://cultureandpolitics.org/author/cultpolitical/
https://bsnews.info/author/daniel-margrain/
http://mondoweiss.net/author/daniel-margrain/
https://normanpilon.com/tag/daniel-margrain/
http://www.renegadetribune.com/author/danielmargrain/
http://guerillawire.org/author/daniel-margrain/
http://russia-insider.com/en/daniel-margrain
https://astutenews.com/tag/daniel-margrain/
None of them appear to have any credibility. Sometimes I think the critical reading skills are worse than the critical thinking skills around here.

uhhh ... talk about lack of critical reading skills ... i specifically said if you are gonna gripe about the source to then actually provide proof that anything is not factual ...

did your critical reading skills read the part about hans blixt who said there is no proof of syria launching a chemical attack? ... the same guy who kept saying there was no WMD in iraq?

any interest in actually learning about syrian history, poliltics and geography before continuing the buy the unsubstantiated lies the msm is peddling? ... because if assad falls - we have another country run by terrorists ...

where are the terrorists controlling more and more land and resources now? ... iraq, libya and syria ... all places the US has decided to intervene in ...

So why not link directly to the Blixt quote? Instead of this hack job?

"In an interview with DW, the Swedish diplomat said he could appreciate that most of world opinion, having been "rightly indignant" about the gas attack on Syrian civilians, will approve of the missile strikes. Blix says he thinks the retaliation was "measured" and specific, and he doesn't think the Trump administration is planning an "all-out war" in Syria. But he did, however, criticize the fact that the US made the decision to carry out the strikes unilaterally, hastily and without making a legal case that they were justified, which he refers to as the US acting like the "world's sheriff."

"I don't know whether in Washington they presented any evidence, but I did not see that in the Security Council," Blix said. "Merely pictures of victims that were held up, that the whole world can see with horror, such pictures are not necessarily evidence of who did it."

Blix says the problem with this situation is that while it's natural to jump to the conclusion that the regime is far more likely than the rebels to have the means to carry out an attack of this magnitude with a substance such as sarin gas, it is far from proven that it did so.

And those distinctions matter, Blix insists. "If you had a murder and you strongly suspect one fellow, do you go to judgment and execution straight away?" he asked. "Three days after the murder?""

Proof of nothing is not evidence of something.

So ...

* Same claims made against Assad in 2013 - proven false then
* Syria dismantled all chemical weapons as overseen by UN organization

factor in sources which the attack was reported .. white helmets = terrorist group started by former British military and funded by US gov't ...

we are a week after and there is STILL NO proof Assad engaged in a chemical attack ... NONE ... only the same lies that were put forth in 2013 ...

Still, proof of nothing is not evidence of something.

feel free to offer some evidence ... or provide ANY reasoning besides assad is a bad man and he must've did it ... you would think with your rant on critical reading and thinking - you could come up with something of substance ...

I didn't claim Assad did it.

The statement from the source that you referenced said it wasn't proven one way or the other.

You interpreted that to mean Assad didn't do it and the terrorist/rebels did without any concrete evidence, and said that's how people should be viewing the information. Again, with no substance to back it up. The impetus is on you to provide evidence to support your beliefs and you haven't done that here by linking to some crockpot tinfoil opinion blog.

that was one aspect of the link ... there was many more points to consider ...

how is the impetus on me to prove that the syrian gov't didn't do it? ... why is that the standard? ... bomb first, ask questions later? ... is that how democracy works? ... since when is the burden of proof to be provided by the defense?

also, if the fact this tactic was used in 2013 and was debunked, the fact the UN inspected that Syria has dismantled its chemical weapons programs or the fact that the evidence being used is from a terrorist group is not good enough for you ... then there is nothing that will be ...

so, to be clear - you do not have a counter to any of the points presented ... only that you don't believe it ... so, fail on both your critical reading and critical thinking rant ...

but there's no proof as it stands right now, only evidence of what you believe took/didn't take place. but you are equating that with proof. you are correct, the onus is not on you to prove a negative, however, just because proof doesn't exist that Assad did it, it's a bit of a leap to talk about it as if it's fact.

* why is the fact that the UN has already oversaw the dismantling of Syria's chemical weapons not considered some proof?
* why is the fact that Syria was falsely accused in 2013 of a similar attack not proof?
* why is the fact that the reports coming out of Idlib (an Al Qaeda stronghold) are primarily from the White Helmets - an organization already proven to be fake humanitarians started by ex British military and funded by US / UK gov'ts not considered to be problematic?
* why is the fact that there is no reason for syria to gas their own people at this stage of their war against terrorists not raising enough eyebrows?

"I don't know the answer. I'm just asking questions here!"

polaris_x said:

http://sana.sy/en/?p=104229

lol
The Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) is a news agency in Syria. It is a public-owned media organization linked to the Syrian Ministry of Information.

SANA appeared to focus on two things, the first was pro-regime counter-protests, such as the massive rally called "Defenders of the Homeland, Peace Be Upon You", in appreciation of the Syrian army. At that time, protesters were being rounded up, imprisoned, and tortured on a regular basis.

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was also falsely portrayed as a reformer, and SANA continued to present this image of him.

As protesters were imprisoned and tortured, and Syria's civil uprising turned into an all-out armed conflict, state media depicted the situation as a foreign invasion. SANA emphasised that opposition groups were foreigners, and that Syrians stood by the regime, the army, and the regime's allies wholeheartedly. During this phase, whitewashing the killing of civilians was the norm.

The Ministry of Information immediately dismissed "rumors" by "some outlets" that chemical weapons were used in opposition-held Ghouta, which is regularly the target of mortar attacks by the Syrian army.

A month after the attacks, SANA tweeted a quote from Former British Ambassador Craig John Murray, who said that Israel provided the US with "fabricated evidence" on the use of chemical weapons in Ghouta.

After all, it was - as they say - all part of the conspiracy to overthrow the regime via foreign states. Less than a year before the attacks, SANA had quoted Hizballah Secretary Hassan Nasrallah who stated that the uprising was a conspiracy by Israel and the United States in collaboration with "moderate" Arab states.

polaris_x said:

CM189191 said:

polaris_x said:

http://sana.sy/en/?p=104229

lol
The Syrian Arab News Agency (SANA) is a news agency in Syria. It is a public-owned media organization linked to the Syrian Ministry of Information.

SANA appeared to focus on two things, the first was pro-regime counter-protests, such as the massive rally called "Defenders of the Homeland, Peace Be Upon You", in appreciation of the Syrian army. At that time, protesters were being rounded up, imprisoned, and tortured on a regular basis.

Syrian President Bashar al-Assad was also falsely portrayed as a reformer, and SANA continued to present this image of him.

As protesters were imprisoned and tortured, and Syria's civil uprising turned into an all-out armed conflict, state media depicted the situation as a foreign invasion. SANA emphasised that opposition groups were foreigners, and that Syrians stood by the regime, the army, and the regime's allies wholeheartedly. During this phase, whitewashing the killing of civilians was the norm.

The Ministry of Information immediately dismissed "rumors" by "some outlets" that chemical weapons were used in opposition-held Ghouta, which is regularly the target of mortar attacks by the Syrian army.

A month after the attacks, SANA tweeted a quote from Former British Ambassador Craig John Murray, who said that Israel provided the US with "fabricated evidence" on the use of chemical weapons in Ghouta.

After all, it was - as they say - all part of the conspiracy to overthrow the regime via foreign states. Less than a year before the attacks, SANA had quoted Hizballah Secretary Hassan Nasrallah who stated that the uprising was a conspiracy by Israel and the United States in collaboration with "moderate" Arab states.

and what here is not true!??

assad brought about free elections ... i think he most definitely qualifies as a reformer ...

the chemical attack in ghouta has already been proven to be not done by the syrian gov't ... so, that's yet another thing that's true ...

the opposition group ARE foreigners ... even the US will admit to that now ... it's Al Nusra/Al Qaeda and ISIS ... this is not even dispute ...

you actually cut and pasted a link that has all truths ... so, try again ...

Point being: SANA is state-run propaganda for Assad