Syria and the US's Motive
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people should also know that the airstrike that resulted in sarin gas release was an area controlled by al qaeda ... these are all facts easily found out ... it's just simply not being reported by the msm0
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It doesn't make sense that Tillerson would be saying, just earlier this week, that Syria should choose its leader AND regime change isn't in the cards. And then for the US later that week orchestrate a chemical attack. First, it's lunacy. Second, they are too incompetent to pull that off and third, the Tillerson comments make them appear to be unable to read the situation properly.0
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The Trump administration was pro-staying out of Syria as much
Turkey isn't independent media journalists. They are Syria's neighbor and they are the ones confirming it was a chemical attack.polaris_x said:
except it isn't 9/11 truthers or mother russia ... what you are railing against are independent media journalists ... people that aren't reporting from turkey (which like Israel also has a vested interest in regime change in Syria) ... people who actually report from inside syria ...Jason P said:
Russia has been clowning the world for the last eight years. I'm going to trust western media before I trust 9/11 truthers or Mother Russiapolaris_x said:
so ... just because the russians or putin says something ... it's automatically a lie? ... we are supposed to look to Americans for truth? ... in the middle east of all places!? ... you got to be kidding me ...Jason P said:
So says Putin. Putin no lie. Putin tell TRUTH!polaris_x said:This was indeed another false flag.
SAD!
i guarantee you that if you devoted a weekend to researching (from all sides) what is going on in Syria - you would be singing a different tune ... I am also pretty sure you haven't done much reading on this issue except for reading headlines ...Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
^^ Agree. We have watched months of incompetence and now the White House has somehow turned into MI6 overnight?mrussel1 said:It doesn't make sense that Tillerson would be saying, just earlier this week, that Syria should choose its leader AND regime change isn't in the cards. And then for the US later that week orchestrate a chemical attack. First, it's lunacy. Second, they are too incompetent to pull that off and third, the Tillerson comments make them appear to be unable to read the situation properly.
They are just following up on the threat the Obama Administration issued in 2012. Good target selection too. Hit an airbase in an un-populated area. Let them know the hurt stick has been pulled out of the closet and dusted off.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
If all the past chemical attacks were done by the terrorists / rebels in hopes of pullling the west into action and the all failed .... why would the terrorists / rebels try doing it again after the White House indicated they were not going to interfere with Syria.
You would have to be a pretty stupid terrorist / rebel to think that would work.
But if your a brutal dictator that maybe didn't turn over all of your chemical weapons and just heard the White House say they were going to be hands off, I'd think that would be a good time to go shooting some chemical weapons.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
That's actually the theory that Marco Rubio is floating. It's plausible. The argument of "Why would Assad gas his own people" is without merit to me. The whole concept of a civil war in any country flies in the face of "why kill your own people". People always come behind money and power.Jason P said:If all the past chemical attacks were done by the terrorists / rebels in hopes of pullling the west into action and the all failed .... why would the terrorists / rebels try doing it again after the White House indicated they were not going to interfere with Syria.
You would have to be a pretty stupid terrorist / rebel to think that would work.
But if your a brutal dictator that maybe didn't turn over all of your chemical weapons and just heard the White House say they were going to be hands off, I'd think that would be a good time to go shooting some chemical weapons.0 -
Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.Be Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0
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right on...Jason P said:Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-2149980 -
no one is implying the US orchestrated the chemical attack ... that isn't the case at all ... the US is supporting regime change in the area through funding of terrorist groups ... i'm not suggesting the US orchestrated the attack ... this is most likely a chemical weapons depot for al qaeda ...mrussel1 said:It doesn't make sense that Tillerson would be saying, just earlier this week, that Syria should choose its leader AND regime change isn't in the cards. And then for the US later that week orchestrate a chemical attack. First, it's lunacy. Second, they are too incompetent to pull that off and third, the Tillerson comments make them appear to be unable to read the situation properly.
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re: trump staying out of Syria - exactly!! ... why would Syria want a reason to get US involvement!??Jason P said:The Trump administration was pro-staying out of Syria as much
Turkey isn't independent media journalists. They are Syria's neighbor and they are the ones confirming it was a chemical attack.polaris_x said:
except it isn't 9/11 truthers or mother russia ... what you are railing against are independent media journalists ... people that aren't reporting from turkey (which like Israel also has a vested interest in regime change in Syria) ... people who actually report from inside syria ...Jason P said:
Russia has been clowning the world for the last eight years. I'm going to trust western media before I trust 9/11 truthers or Mother Russiapolaris_x said:
so ... just because the russians or putin says something ... it's automatically a lie? ... we are supposed to look to Americans for truth? ... in the middle east of all places!? ... you got to be kidding me ...Jason P said:
So says Putin. Putin no lie. Putin tell TRUTH!polaris_x said:This was indeed another false flag.
SAD!
i guarantee you that if you devoted a weekend to researching (from all sides) what is going on in Syria - you would be singing a different tune ... I am also pretty sure you haven't done much reading on this issue except for reading headlines ...
re: turkey ... turkey is part of the group of nations interested in regime change in syria ... read their conflict with syria ... they are not the independent journalists i'm referring to0 -
uhhh ... this doesn't make any sense ... chemical attack just happened = US intervention ... so, your theory holds absolutely no water ...Jason P said:If all the past chemical attacks were done by the terrorists / rebels in hopes of pullling the west into action and the all failed .... why would the terrorists / rebels try doing it again after the White House indicated they were not going to interfere with Syria.
You would have to be a pretty stupid terrorist / rebel to think that would work.
But if your a brutal dictator that maybe didn't turn over all of your chemical weapons and just heard the White House say they were going to be hands off, I'd think that would be a good time to go shooting some chemical weapons.0 -
the terrorists HAVE used chemical weapons in the past ... they are getting them from turkey and iraq ...Jason P said:Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
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again ... why don't y'all spend the weekend and do some research and figure this thing out on your own ... read from all the sources ... see which ones have more evidence and facts to back up the claims ...0
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please note that the msm accused assad of chemical weapons attack in 2013polaris_x said:
the terrorists HAVE used chemical weapons in the past ... they are getting them from turkey and iraq ...Jason P said:Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/16/was-turkey-behind-syria-sarin-attack-2/
that became debunked after some real reporting ...0 -
They certainly are conflicted and fuck 'em. I had faith that when push came to shove that Trump would act.mrussel1 said:
right on...Jason P said:Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-214998
When it comes to foreign policy the alt-right isn't too different from the Polaris left. Personally I had faith that when push came to shove Trump would embrace a more Kennedy style posture of American Strength. We'll see how this affects Trump amongst the base. My guess is the alt-right, while certainly vocal, does not actually exist in large enough numbers to impact Trump. As everything with Trump...only results will matter.mrussel1 said:
right on...Jason P said:Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-2149980 -
The Obama administration created a sect of Islam called Wahabbism and then backdated its history to fool all of us into thinking it was from the 18th century? Holy crap was Obama diabolical, but oh so effective. You really nailed another one here. The streak of being woefully uniformed continues unabated.unsung said:Boom boom boom... beat the war drums. Trump turned neocon, McCain got his way after him and the Obama administration created ISIS. False flag chemical attack starts another war.
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Ah yes.. Kennedy and the Best and the Brightest. I appreciate Kennedy's commitment to Civil Rights in the US, but he and his team (notably McNamara) made grievous decisions that cost 10's of thousands of American lives and untold Vietnamese lives.BS44325 said:
They certainly are conflicted and fuck 'em. I had faith that when push came to shove that Trump would act.mrussel1 said:
right on...Jason P said:Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-214998
When it comes to foreign policy the alt-right isn't too different from the Polaris left. Personally I had faith that when push came to shove Trump would embrace a more Kennedy style posture of American Strength. We'll see how this affects Trump amongst the base. My guess is the alt-right, while certainly vocal, does not actually exist in large enough numbers to impact Trump. As everything with Trump...only results will matter.mrussel1 said:
right on...Jason P said:Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-2149980 -
The problem here is that both sides will spin whatever evidence they have to make their point. There are zero publications you can read to achieve what you are advocating here. It all comes down to which sources you believe to be more accurate (which unfortunately is usually confirmation bias). The only way to know is to be on the ground. I know that I never believe jack shit about what a Russian publication says.polaris_x said:again ... why don't y'all spend the weekend and do some research and figure this thing out on your own ... read from all the sources ... see which ones have more evidence and facts to back up the claims ...
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