Syria and the US's Motive

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    polaris_x said:

    people should also ask whether it was a coincidence that the cruise missiles targeted an air base that so happens to have fired anti-aircraft missiles at an israeli airstrike a few weeks ago ...

    That's called killing two birds with one stone
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    people should also know that the airstrike that resulted in sarin gas release was an area controlled by al qaeda ... these are all facts easily found out ... it's just simply not being reported by the msm
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    It doesn't make sense that Tillerson would be saying, just earlier this week, that Syria should choose its leader AND regime change isn't in the cards. And then for the US later that week orchestrate a chemical attack. First, it's lunacy. Second, they are too incompetent to pull that off and third, the Tillerson comments make them appear to be unable to read the situation properly.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    The Trump administration was pro-staying out of Syria as much
    polaris_x said:

    Jason P said:

    polaris_x said:

    Jason P said:

    polaris_x said:

    This was indeed another false flag.

    So says Putin. Putin no lie. Putin tell TRUTH!

    SAD!
    so ... just because the russians or putin says something ... it's automatically a lie? ... we are supposed to look to Americans for truth? ... in the middle east of all places!? ... you got to be kidding me ...
    Russia has been clowning the world for the last eight years. I'm going to trust western media before I trust 9/11 truthers or Mother Russia
    except it isn't 9/11 truthers or mother russia ... what you are railing against are independent media journalists ... people that aren't reporting from turkey (which like Israel also has a vested interest in regime change in Syria) ... people who actually report from inside syria ...

    i guarantee you that if you devoted a weekend to researching (from all sides) what is going on in Syria - you would be singing a different tune ... I am also pretty sure you haven't done much reading on this issue except for reading headlines ...
    Turkey isn't independent media journalists. They are Syria's neighbor and they are the ones confirming it was a chemical attack.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    mrussel1 said:

    It doesn't make sense that Tillerson would be saying, just earlier this week, that Syria should choose its leader AND regime change isn't in the cards. And then for the US later that week orchestrate a chemical attack. First, it's lunacy. Second, they are too incompetent to pull that off and third, the Tillerson comments make them appear to be unable to read the situation properly.

    ^^ Agree. We have watched months of incompetence and now the White House has somehow turned into MI6 overnight?

    They are just following up on the threat the Obama Administration issued in 2012. Good target selection too. Hit an airbase in an un-populated area. Let them know the hurt stick has been pulled out of the closet and dusted off.
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    If all the past chemical attacks were done by the terrorists / rebels in hopes of pullling the west into action and the all failed .... why would the terrorists / rebels try doing it again after the White House indicated they were not going to interfere with Syria.

    You would have to be a pretty stupid terrorist / rebel to think that would work.

    But if your a brutal dictator that maybe didn't turn over all of your chemical weapons and just heard the White House say they were going to be hands off, I'd think that would be a good time to go shooting some chemical weapons.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Jason P said:

    If all the past chemical attacks were done by the terrorists / rebels in hopes of pullling the west into action and the all failed .... why would the terrorists / rebels try doing it again after the White House indicated they were not going to interfere with Syria.

    You would have to be a pretty stupid terrorist / rebel to think that would work.

    But if your a brutal dictator that maybe didn't turn over all of your chemical weapons and just heard the White House say they were going to be hands off, I'd think that would be a good time to go shooting some chemical weapons.

    That's actually the theory that Marco Rubio is floating. It's plausible. The argument of "Why would Assad gas his own people" is without merit to me. The whole concept of a civil war in any country flies in the face of "why kill your own people". People always come behind money and power.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,296
    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Jason P said:

    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.

    right on...
    Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-214998
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    mrussel1 said:

    It doesn't make sense that Tillerson would be saying, just earlier this week, that Syria should choose its leader AND regime change isn't in the cards. And then for the US later that week orchestrate a chemical attack. First, it's lunacy. Second, they are too incompetent to pull that off and third, the Tillerson comments make them appear to be unable to read the situation properly.

    no one is implying the US orchestrated the chemical attack ... that isn't the case at all ... the US is supporting regime change in the area through funding of terrorist groups ... i'm not suggesting the US orchestrated the attack ... this is most likely a chemical weapons depot for al qaeda ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P said:

    The Trump administration was pro-staying out of Syria as much

    polaris_x said:

    Jason P said:

    polaris_x said:

    Jason P said:

    polaris_x said:

    This was indeed another false flag.

    So says Putin. Putin no lie. Putin tell TRUTH!

    SAD!
    so ... just because the russians or putin says something ... it's automatically a lie? ... we are supposed to look to Americans for truth? ... in the middle east of all places!? ... you got to be kidding me ...
    Russia has been clowning the world for the last eight years. I'm going to trust western media before I trust 9/11 truthers or Mother Russia
    except it isn't 9/11 truthers or mother russia ... what you are railing against are independent media journalists ... people that aren't reporting from turkey (which like Israel also has a vested interest in regime change in Syria) ... people who actually report from inside syria ...

    i guarantee you that if you devoted a weekend to researching (from all sides) what is going on in Syria - you would be singing a different tune ... I am also pretty sure you haven't done much reading on this issue except for reading headlines ...
    Turkey isn't independent media journalists. They are Syria's neighbor and they are the ones confirming it was a chemical attack.
    re: trump staying out of Syria - exactly!! ... why would Syria want a reason to get US involvement!??
    re: turkey ... turkey is part of the group of nations interested in regime change in syria ... read their conflict with syria ... they are not the independent journalists i'm referring to
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P said:

    If all the past chemical attacks were done by the terrorists / rebels in hopes of pullling the west into action and the all failed .... why would the terrorists / rebels try doing it again after the White House indicated they were not going to interfere with Syria.

    You would have to be a pretty stupid terrorist / rebel to think that would work.

    But if your a brutal dictator that maybe didn't turn over all of your chemical weapons and just heard the White House say they were going to be hands off, I'd think that would be a good time to go shooting some chemical weapons.

    uhhh ... this doesn't make any sense ... chemical attack just happened = US intervention ... so, your theory holds absolutely no water ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    Jason P said:

    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.

    the terrorists HAVE used chemical weapons in the past ... they are getting them from turkey and iraq ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    again ... why don't y'all spend the weekend and do some research and figure this thing out on your own ... read from all the sources ... see which ones have more evidence and facts to back up the claims ...
  • polaris_x
    polaris_x Posts: 13,559
    polaris_x said:

    Jason P said:

    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.

    the terrorists HAVE used chemical weapons in the past ... they are getting them from turkey and iraq ...
    please note that the msm accused assad of chemical weapons attack in 2013

    https://consortiumnews.com/2015/09/16/was-turkey-behind-syria-sarin-attack-2/

    that became debunked after some real reporting ...
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.

    right on...
    Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-214998
    They certainly are conflicted and fuck 'em. I had faith that when push came to shove that Trump would act.
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.

    right on...
    Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-214998
    When it comes to foreign policy the alt-right isn't too different from the Polaris left. Personally I had faith that when push came to shove Trump would embrace a more Kennedy style posture of American Strength. We'll see how this affects Trump amongst the base. My guess is the alt-right, while certainly vocal, does not actually exist in large enough numbers to impact Trump. As everything with Trump...only results will matter.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    unsung said:

    Boom boom boom... beat the war drums. Trump turned neocon, McCain got his way after him and the Obama administration created ISIS. False flag chemical attack starts another war.

    The Obama administration created a sect of Islam called Wahabbism and then backdated its history to fool all of us into thinking it was from the 18th century? Holy crap was Obama diabolical, but oh so effective. You really nailed another one here. The streak of being woefully uniformed continues unabated.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.

    right on...
    Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-214998
    They certainly are conflicted and fuck 'em. I had faith that when push came to shove that Trump would act.
    mrussel1 said:

    Jason P said:

    Also, why haven't the terrorist / rebels used chemical weapons against Assad in the past. I think Al-Qaeda and ISIS would be pretty jazzed to use chemical weapons in the name of Allah if given the chance. That's shit they aren't gonna just store away for a rainy day.

    right on...
    Interesting article in Politico re: the Trump trolls. They are very conflicted by this whole thing. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/trump-alt-right-syria-war-214998
    When it comes to foreign policy the alt-right isn't too different from the Polaris left. Personally I had faith that when push came to shove Trump would embrace a more Kennedy style posture of American Strength. We'll see how this affects Trump amongst the base. My guess is the alt-right, while certainly vocal, does not actually exist in large enough numbers to impact Trump. As everything with Trump...only results will matter.
    Ah yes.. Kennedy and the Best and the Brightest. I appreciate Kennedy's commitment to Civil Rights in the US, but he and his team (notably McNamara) made grievous decisions that cost 10's of thousands of American lives and untold Vietnamese lives.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    polaris_x said:

    again ... why don't y'all spend the weekend and do some research and figure this thing out on your own ... read from all the sources ... see which ones have more evidence and facts to back up the claims ...

    The problem here is that both sides will spin whatever evidence they have to make their point. There are zero publications you can read to achieve what you are advocating here. It all comes down to which sources you believe to be more accurate (which unfortunately is usually confirmation bias). The only way to know is to be on the ground. I know that I never believe jack shit about what a Russian publication says.