America's Gun Violence

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

I can't afford own a tank, I can afford a firearm.

ftfy

There is my issue with the 2nd Amendment. As interpreted now, it only protects those individuals who can afford to purchase a firearm. What about those who can not?

the 2nd Amendment guarantees your right to own guns if you can afford them or not is your issue, but if past presidents can hand out cell phones why not issue each American citizen a SW 9mm on their 18th birthday ?...now everybody is covered.

Or more logically, the 2nd Amendment was referring to a well-regulated militia, which would make more sense.

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

CM189191 said:

PJPOWER said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.

"The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."

A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.

Nice false equivalency regarding the tank...but this civilian used it for home defense pretty well. Who argued that they were dressed up hunting rifles? I remember people arguing that they were effective and practical for hunting and that certain features did not make them "deadlier". It is a semi-automatic rifle. There are plenty of other semi-automatic rifles that fire just as fast, they just don't have the "assault rifle" stigma attached to them. Sad that some courts are ruling this way, personally I can think of a very distinguishable difference between ar-15s and "weapons of war"...has to do with the differences between "semi-automatic" and "fully-automatic" and select fire.

The AR-15 is basically marketed as a weapon of war that you (YES YOU!) can legally own, because they made it semi-automatic.

unsung said:

Post link to said kit.

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

PJPOWER said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.

The narrative at play is righties taking one anecdotal story and then generalizing from there. A 12 gauge is more practical because the shooter is more likely to hit the other person, and misses won't go ripping into the neighbors house.

I will use what I want and I do not need govt or your permission to make that decision for me.

Thanksverymuch.

Don't worry, we're still free to make a lot of stupid choices.

PP193448 said:

unsung said:

Post link to said kit.

Look up ar full auto (parts kit) at gunbroker site. I thought about buying one for mine, but why do I need it??? I thought. Better safe not getting it in case they want to somehow crack down on it in the future...
One of my relatives got one for a Colt for around $150

CM189191 said:

unsung said:

That is not strategically smart.

When you're more likely to be shot in your own home with your own gun, I would like to know more about your intelligent defensive strategy.

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

PJPOWER said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.

The narrative at play is righties taking one anecdotal story and then generalizing from there. A 12 gauge is more practical because the shooter is more likely to hit the other person, and misses won't go ripping into the neighbors house.

dudeman said:

Go Beavers said:

unsung said:

PJPOWER said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html

The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.

Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541

That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.

The narrative at play is righties taking one anecdotal story and then generalizing from there. A 12 gauge is more practical because the shooter is more likely to hit the other person, and misses won't go ripping into the neighbors house.

What about sick, elderly or otherwise physically weak individuals? I'm pretty sure my grandmother couldn't handle a 12 gauge but she could definitely handle a .223.