America's Gun Violence
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Households with guns is the important number if you guys want to make a case.Godfather. said:
concealed carry permits and gun sales have dropped very little if any at all, most license's and sales are credited to minoritiesGo Beavers said:
I'll discredit the conclusion you're probably drawing. Gun sales increased, but not because more people are buying guns, it's because gun owners are hoarding guns. There's no relationship between the number of guns purchased and the decrease in accidental deaths.PJPOWER said:
I'm all ears.mcgruff10 said:
Who s gonna be first to discredit these numbers?PJPOWER said:Interesting...
"the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term
lately, I don't have a link to provide but it was something I read just recently.0 -
I grew up in Alaska around a lot of very responsible gun owners. I went shooting a few times and just couldn't find the fun, but totally support my family and friends rights to legally own them0
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Suspect taken alive. What's the over/under on their complexion?go pre said:last two paragraph pretty much sum it up.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-injured-wisconsin-shooting-schools-lockdown-463101820 -
HmongCM189191 said:
Suspect taken alive. What's the over/under on their complexion?go pre said:last two paragraph pretty much sum it up.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-injured-wisconsin-shooting-schools-lockdown-46310182
There's a trapdoor in the sun.0 -
couldn't agree more...but it does rule out the earlier remarks made by train members who stated something to the effectGo Beavers said:
Households with guns is the important number if you guys want to make a case.Godfather. said:
concealed carry permits and gun sales have dropped very little if any at all, most license's and sales are credited to minoritiesGo Beavers said:
I'll discredit the conclusion you're probably drawing. Gun sales increased, but not because more people are buying guns, it's because gun owners are hoarding guns. There's no relationship between the number of guns purchased and the decrease in accidental deaths.PJPOWER said:
I'm all ears.mcgruff10 said:
Who s gonna be first to discredit these numbers?PJPOWER said:Interesting...
"the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term
lately, I don't have a link to provide but it was something I read just recently.
"white gun toting yehaa rednecks" but in any case I'm happy to be able to live in a country that still despite the leftist anti-gun nuts
has the freedom to own and carry a weapon.
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Damn, that w/should've been my second guessgo pre said:
HmongCM189191 said:
Suspect taken alive. What's the over/under on their complexion?go pre said:last two paragraph pretty much sum it up.
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-injured-wisconsin-shooting-schools-lockdown-463101820 -
unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487 -
Does this get you revved up? A little armed insurrection gets your blood flowing usually!unsung said:Monkey Driven, Call this Living?0 -
Indeed...unsung said:
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Small arms..Yes. Explosive munitions and armored vehicles,obviously no.Go Beavers said:
You want civilians to have access to everything the military has?joseph33 said:
So if the South during the civil war had repeating rifles while the North only had muskets,the result of the war would be a South victory and therefore slavery would have continued. If the United States government ever turned on their own people,I myself would want a level playing field.Degeneratefk said:
You don't have a right to buy military weapons.Godfather. said:
wrong.......pay attention, I don't want to lose the right to buy and own an AR-15 or any model rifle or any semi-automatic weapon includingDegeneratefk said:You people are so chicken shit scared of something nobody is even pushing for.
semi auto pistols.
Godfather.0 -
The thread was AMERICA's gun violence.oftenreading said:
That is completely untrue in the global sensePJPOWER said:
Any research that I've seen shows that drug overdoses and car accidents far outweigh unintentional firearm deaths. The point is that unintentional firearm deaths are lower than ever due to proper education. Statistically, more firearms does not correlate with more unintended firearm deaths and more education does correlate with fewer unintended firearm deaths.CM189191 said:
So how many preventable deaths is that?PJPOWER said:Interesting...
"the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term
How is that in relation to other causes; like terrorism, car accidents or overdoses?
Or compared to other countries?
What's the standard here? How many preventable deaths are acceptable?
I get skeptical when people talk in percentages, don't provide real numbers, or any perspective. This is cherry picking data.0 -
Yes, but the claim as it was made is still false.joseph33 said:
The thread was AMERICA's gun violence.oftenreading said:
That is completely untrue in the global sensePJPOWER said:
Any research that I've seen shows that drug overdoses and car accidents far outweigh unintentional firearm deaths. The point is that unintentional firearm deaths are lower than ever due to proper education. Statistically, more firearms does not correlate with more unintended firearm deaths and more education does correlate with fewer unintended firearm deaths.CM189191 said:
So how many preventable deaths is that?PJPOWER said:Interesting...
"the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term
How is that in relation to other causes; like terrorism, car accidents or overdoses?
Or compared to other countries?
What's the standard here? How many preventable deaths are acceptable?
I get skeptical when people talk in percentages, don't provide real numbers, or any perspective. This is cherry picking data.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
really ? are you referring to countries in the middle east ? in any case I'd have to disagree with you, besides I'm moreoftenreading said:
That is completely untrue in the global sensePJPOWER said:
Any research that I've seen shows that drug overdoses and car accidents far outweigh unintentional firearm deaths. The point is that unintentional firearm deaths are lower than ever due to proper education. Statistically, more firearms does not correlate with more unintended firearm deaths and more education does correlate with fewer unintended firearm deaths.CM189191 said:
So how many preventable deaths is that?PJPOWER said:Interesting...
"the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term
How is that in relation to other causes; like terrorism, car accidents or overdoses?
Or compared to other countries?
What's the standard here? How many preventable deaths are acceptable?
I get skeptical when people talk in percentages, don't provide real numbers, or any perspective. This is cherry picking data.
concerned with US and it's laws and restrictions.
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http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html
The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.0 -
here's the followup godfather:Godfather. said:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html
The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-getaway-driver-charged-murder-183108050.htmlI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
wow ! all get away drivers should be charged as she is.mcgruff10 said:
here's the followup godfather:Godfather. said:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html
The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-getaway-driver-charged-murder-183108050.html
thanks for the up date.
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Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?Godfather. said:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html
The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
hahahhaha !!!! yeaPJPOWER said:
Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders"?Godfather. said:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html
The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
as this story points out there 3 intruders and a driver outside, an AR 15 is well within practical defense (very nice weapon)
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That doesn't fit the narrative of the radical lefty anti-gunner.PJPOWER said:
Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?Godfather. said:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html
The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n7395410 -
Now you've got your logics crossed. People defend AR-15s because they say they're little more than a dressed up hunting rifle. Which of course, it is. Dressed up to be a military grade weapon, for military purposes, not civilian use.PJPOWER said:
Wait, wait, wait...aren't AR-15s impractical for home defense as stated by the anti-firearms experts around here? Seemed awfully practical in this situation...I find it odd that they didn't use the term "assault rifle" as usual. Where is the "teen uses assault rifle to stop three home intruders" NBC headline?Godfather. said:http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/03/28/oklahoma-home-invasion-shooting-suspected-getaway-driver-arrested.html
The would-be burglars had "a short exchange of words" with the homeowner's 23-year-old son before he shot them with a rifle, Wagoner County Deputy Nick Mahoney said. The unnamed shooter has not been charged, and Mahoney said he appeared to be acting in self-defense -- but investigators said more charges could be coming.
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/oklahoma-man-uses-ar-15-kill-three-teen-home-intruders-n739541
"The decision marks the fifth time that a federal appeals court has upheld a state assault weapons law, but it goes further than those previous decisions. It is the first to exclude AR-15s and other similar guns from Second Amendment protection on the grounds that they are virtually indistinguishable from weapons of war. The court found that such designation overrides considerations of the common usage or suitability for home self-defense of a gun like the AR-15."
A tank would probably be pretty useful for home defense, too. But you don't see one of those parked my front yard.0
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