Trump's Lies
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Maybe we should invest more in public education and research. Instead of worrying about a pipeline.Godfather. said:
thanks, great for day to day like life home/business electricity but very limited in the transportation field....public transportation is another story but still limited.
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Or maybe even do both at the same time.CM189191 said:With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
Where's the profit in that??CM189191 said:0 -
Oohhh. Sorry, I may have misunderstood you when I said that. I thought you meant worrying about a pipeline as in worrying about it being built.PJ_Soul said:
Or maybe even do both at the same time.
With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
He supported Santorum in 2012. I liked it better when he was a drunk ahole instead of a sober born again ahole. Ironic since Santorum is the epitome of fundie who call metal satanic and prefer the clean days of Pat Boone.mrussel1 said:I'm pretty sure Mustain is a crazy right winger. He may have written words that sound like trump, but he probably was shooting them at Obama.
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why not both, does it need to one or the other ? unfortunately fossil fuel is it right now, renewable has not reached a levelCM189191 said:
to serve the masses on it's own but there are companies like sempra energies that are using renewable energy and pouring tens of millions of dollars into creating more renewable energy sources so until then why fight something we all need.
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My perspective is that a surge in the renewable energy industry can be brought on much sooner and faster if there was a more deliberate move towards it, and that means not building new pipelines. New pipelines make it easy for everyone to go on basically ignoring the push towards renewable energy, whereas if the focus were just on maintaining existing pipelines there would be more pressure to innovate and invest in renewables. New pipelines = no real reason to truly persevere in terms of renewable technology. Basically, I think we actually need a man made mini-crisis in terms of aging oil infrastructure to force the renewable energy sector to grow (no, I don't mean neglecting pipelines to the rupture, lol... not that they don't rupture often enough anyhow). Not building a bunch of brand new pipelines doesn't mean we'll run out of oil that we currently need.Godfather. said:
why not both, does it need to one or the other ? unfortunately fossil fuel is it right now, renewable has not reached a level
to serve the masses on it's own but there are companies like sempra energies that are using renewable energy and pouring tens of millions of dollars into creating more renewable energy sources so until then why fight something we all need.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
someday we may get there but right now the amount of change it would take to convert from fossil to renewable would bankrupt the entire country and most of the civilized world, we have a bigger dependency on oil that some people realize, most our day to day livelihoods would stop without oil.PJ_Soul said:
My perspective is that a surge in the renewable energy industry can be brought on much sooner and faster if there was a more deliberate move towards it, and that means not building new pipelines. New pipelines make it easy for everyone to go on basically ignoring the push towards renewable energy, whereas if the focus were just on maintaining existing pipelines there would be more pressure to innovate and invest in renewables. New pipelines = no real reason to truly persevere in terms of renewable technology. Basically, I think we actually need a man made mini-crisis in terms of aging oil infrastructure to force the renewable energy sector to grow (no, I don't mean neglecting pipelines to the rupture, lol... not that they don't rupture often enough anyhow). Not building a bunch of brand new pipelines doesn't mean we'll run out of oil that we currently need.
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Wildly inaccurate. The fossil fuel industry loves that narrative.Godfather. said:
someday we may get there but right now the amount of change it would take to convert from fossil to renewable would bankrupt the entire country and most of the civilized world, we have a bigger dependency on oil that some people realize, most our day to day livelihoods would stop without oil.
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I disagree, almost any business or home and even electric cars use or have products in them that use/contain oil, manufacturing the partsTiki said:
for cars, plastics of any kind, your AC unit in your home to saw mills......you name it and it at some point in it's production needs oil
then there is the simple fact that most Americans still want internal combustion engines for pleasure and business not to mention that renewable energy has not developed at all in public air transportation ( Boeing etc.) yes fossil loves that narrative but they have all of us by the short and curlys....try and carry on just one day with out using something to survive with that did not use oil of some sort in it production or operation.
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That's like saying it's impossible to stop smoking cigarettes because they're addictive and super bad for you, and I never known another way.
I can only control myself, and suggest things to like minded people. Recognizing the dependency is usually the first step in changing behavior that my be bad for you.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
That's why you don't do it in a week, a month, a year... you take at least a decade or more. Businesses will replace all sorts of equipment during that period as will a homeowner. Did everyone buy switch from their hot stove to radiator heat in the same year? No of course not, it was gradual. Same with renewables.Godfather. said:
I disagree, almost any business or home and even electric cars use or have products in them that use/contain oil, manufacturing the parts
for cars, plastics of any kind, your AC unit in your home to saw mills......you name it and it at some point in it's production needs oil
then there is the simple fact that most Americans still want internal combustion engines for pleasure and business not to mention that renewable energy has not developed at all in public air transportation ( Boeing etc.) yes fossil loves that narrative but they have all of us by the short and curlys....try and carry on just one day with out using something to survive with that did not use oil of some sort in it production or operation.0 -
mrussel1 said:
That's why you don't do it in a week, a month, a year... you take at least a decade or more. Businesses will replace all sorts of equipment during that period as will a homeowner. Did everyone buy switch from their hot stove to radiator heat in the same year? No of course not, it was gradual. Same with renewables.
and I believe many people are working towards that but we are not there yet.
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Absolutely. That line of GF's is absolute garbage. The only way that would happen is if all the refineries and pipelines and drills were simply shut down one day, which is clearly not the way it works. Obviously growing the renewable energy sector is a long term plan that involves so many different sectors, including education and research. IMO, building brand new massive pipelines, though, does not at all lead to beginning that concerted long-term effort. On the contrary - it tells me that the oil companies and the current government have every intention of cruising merrily along on oil money for as long as they possibly can, and growing the renewable energy industry and starting to "arrange" North America around that new initiative will simply get in the way of all that easy oil money. Developing real initiatives towards renewable energy is the LAST thing most of our leaders and all the rich people who control us all want. Most politicians are only paying the concept lip service in order to get votes.Tiki said:With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
challenge yourself, refuse any oil related products into your new life......see how far that line of absolute garbage gets you.PJ_Soul said:
Absolutely. That line of GF's is absolute garbage. The only way that would happen is if all the refineries and pipelines and drills were simply shut down one day, which is clearly not the way it works. Obviously growing the renewable energy sector is a long term plan that involves so many different sectors, including education and research. IMO, building brand new massive pipelines, though, does not at all lead to beginning that concerted long-term effort. On the contrary - it tells me that the oil companies and the current government have every intention of cruising merrily along on oil money for as long as they possibly can, and growing the renewable energy industry and starting to "arrange" North America around that new initiative will simply get in the way of all that easy oil money. Developing real initiatives towards renewable energy is the LAST thing most of our leaders and all the rich people who control us all want. Most politicians are only paying the concept lip service in order to get votes.
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Would you give people the respect of reading what they wrote before responding? You say "how can I get to work without oil", PJSoul responds that what matters isn't an immediate switch over but a long-term investment in renewable resources with a reasonable and thorough response, and you reiterate "how can I get to work without oil". Everyone reads your opinions, why won't you do the same for them?Godfather. said:
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will do.benjs said:
Would you give people the respect of reading what they wrote before responding? You say "how can I get to work without oil", PJSoul responds that what matters isn't an immediate switch over but a long-term investment in renewable resources with a reasonable and thorough response, and you reiterate "how can I get to work without oil". Everyone reads your opinions, why won't you do the same for them?
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How about the giant LIE dropped on us yesterday about putting miners back to work, and Coal Clean Coal, really clean.
and allowing coal manufacturers to look for coal on federal land....
I'm pretty sure I could go a day without coal.Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 061320180 -
Fake news.
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