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  • g under p
    g under p Surfing The far side of THE Sombrero Galaxy Posts: 18,230

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    I tend to believe the number is very low as well. Trump's supporters are blinded by the light of Trump, all that he has done in the last 70 days is great in the way in their minds he's shaking up Washington. The more outrageous he is tweeting, the more money he spends traveling and playing golf is great now in 6 months of this that might be a different story. What a Schmuck!

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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    mrussel1 said:

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
    Spot on.
  • mrussel1 said:

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
    Spot on.
    It's not spot on at all.
    Your issue was Hillary.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
    Not exactly

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/upshot/a-2016-review-turnout-wasnt-the-driver-of-clintons-defeat.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/

    You will need to turn some Trump voters or at least hope they stay home. This is why the previous polls didn't matter. It is why the current polls don't matter. The numbers you need to worry about are regional. They were undersampled and that hasn't changed.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879

    mrussel1 said:

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
    Spot on.
    It's not spot on at all.
    Your issue was Hillary.
    Use your head and think about what I wrote. These statements aren't mutually exclusive.

  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Had there been the turnout from minorities in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2016 as there had been for President Obama...Hillary wins the election.
  • mrussel1 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
    Spot on.
    It's not spot on at all.
    Your issue was Hillary.
    Use your head and think about what I wrote. These statements aren't mutually exclusive.

    Are you stating an opinion from the Republican side?
    If so you are still wrong.
    Minorities and Bernie supporters aren't mutually exclusive either.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879

    Had there been the turnout from minorities in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2016 as there had been for President Obama...Hillary wins the election.

    Exactly my point.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    mrussel1 said:

    Had there been the turnout from minorities in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2016 as there had been for President Obama...Hillary wins the election.

    Exactly my point.
    Except what I just linked says that was not the difference. It states that Trump flipped white Obama voters. The democrats do not want to deal with that fact.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    mrussel1 said:

    Had there been the turnout from minorities in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2016 as there had been for President Obama...Hillary wins the election.

    Exactly my point.
    And we're not talking big numbers either. This race really could have gone to Hillary quite easily.

    Yes, Trump backers on here, she was far from a perfect candidate. No, Bernie backers, Bernie would not have won. Hillary should have won this election had there been a better inner city Get Out the Vote effort in the 3 states in play.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    mrussel1 said:

    Had there been the turnout from minorities in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2016 as there had been for President Obama...Hillary wins the election.

    Exactly my point.
    And we're not talking big numbers either. This race really could have gone to Hillary quite easily.

    Yes, Trump backers on here, she was far from a perfect candidate. No, Bernie backers, Bernie would not have won. Hillary should have won this election had there been a better inner city Get Out the Vote effort in the 3 states in play.
    Incorrect.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Had there been the turnout from minorities in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2016 as there had been for President Obama...Hillary wins the election.

    Exactly my point.
    And we're not talking big numbers either. This race really could have gone to Hillary quite easily.

    Yes, Trump backers on here, she was far from a perfect candidate. No, Bernie backers, Bernie would not have won. Hillary should have won this election had there been a better inner city Get Out the Vote effort in the 3 states in play.
    Incorrect.
    Yeah. Okay.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Had there been the turnout from minorities in Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania in 2016 as there had been for President Obama...Hillary wins the election.

    Exactly my point.
    And we're not talking big numbers either. This race really could have gone to Hillary quite easily.

    Yes, Trump backers on here, she was far from a perfect candidate. No, Bernie backers, Bernie would not have won. Hillary should have won this election had there been a better inner city Get Out the Vote effort in the 3 states in play.
    Incorrect.
    Yeah. Okay.
    Read the New York Times link above. Lays it out pretty well for you.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,538
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
    Not exactly

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/upshot/a-2016-review-turnout-wasnt-the-driver-of-clintons-defeat.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/

    You will need to turn some Trump voters or at least hope they stay home. This is why the previous polls didn't matter. It is why the current polls don't matter. The numbers you need to worry about are regional. They were undersampled and that hasn't changed.
    Maybe you only read the last paragraph of your link? This paragragh seems more significant:

    "Whether black turnout was “disappointing” or “poor” is a matter of perspective. It was consistent with our pre-election models, but it was significantly lower than it was four or eight years ago, when Mr. Obama galvanized record black turnout."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Additionally...

    This analysis was against the upshot's prediction model NOT against 2012 numbers. Our statement was comparing 2012 vs 2016 minority turnout which this analysis very specifically is not doing.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    In all honesty, how many Trump voters/supporters have flipped their allegiance and have realized what a twit he is?

    I'm thinking there's bound to be many, but it's hard to assess. I know what the polls say, but I don't place much stock in those recently.

    Zero. I think the number is sadly zero.
    Our issue was turnout from minorities and Bernie supporters. I'm not sure Trump voters need to be turned.
    Not exactly

    https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/03/28/upshot/a-2016-review-turnout-wasnt-the-driver-of-clintons-defeat.html?referer=https://www.google.ca/

    You will need to turn some Trump voters or at least hope they stay home. This is why the previous polls didn't matter. It is why the current polls don't matter. The numbers you need to worry about are regional. They were undersampled and that hasn't changed.
    Maybe you only read the last paragraph of your link? This paragragh seems more significant:

    "Whether black turnout was “disappointing” or “poor” is a matter of perspective. It was consistent with our pre-election models, but it was significantly lower than it was four or eight years ago, when Mr. Obama galvanized record black turnout."
    I'm not sure if that is significant at all. Turnout was "consistent with pre-election models". You seem to be under the impression that you can reproduce the Obama turnout machine of 2008 (massive) when you probably can't even reproduce the turnout machine of 2012 (large). It makes you believe that you can capture lightning in a bottle with a democratic candidate that does not exist. Obama was a once in a lifetime phenomenon and it was the loss of white voters that previously voted for him thay hurt Hillary the most.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,542
    It's all water under bridge now , we are here and have a total con artist occupying the WH and has no idea of what he's doing at all ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    I make a point to listen or watch the feed to the Spicy News Briefing every day.

    Yesterday while lying to a reporters face about the ridiculous allegations concerning Russia, he told her to stop shaking her head. This is the same reporter that the OF told to set up a meeting with the Congressional Black Caucus..."are they friends of yours? do you know them? maybe you could set up a meeting..." Racist fucks the both of them.

    He actually had spinach in his teeth two days ago.

    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    just my opinion as a Berniebro who got in line and voted for HRC, Joe Biden wins Pennsylvania and more than likely Michigan.

    AND Ohio.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
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