Trump's Lies

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

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CM189191 said:

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mrussel1 said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/24/trump-administration-approves-keystone-xl-pipeline.html

Yeah I was thinking that there is just not enough oil supply in the market. That's why the price is so high per barrel. This will really help.

I don't know if will affect oil prices or not but will create some temp jobs and some long term jobs as well I also think piping oil is safer than trucking it.

I think renewables are safer than oil

what kind of renewables are you thinking about ?

renewables

thanks, great for day to day like life home/business electricity but very limited in the transportation field....public transportation is another story but still limited.

Maybe we should invest more in public education and research. Instead of worrying about a pipeline.

Or maybe even do both at the same time.

PJ_Soul said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

mrussel1 said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/24/trump-administration-approves-keystone-xl-pipeline.html

Yeah I was thinking that there is just not enough oil supply in the market. That's why the price is so high per barrel. This will really help.

I don't know if will affect oil prices or not but will create some temp jobs and some long term jobs as well I also think piping oil is safer than trucking it.

I think renewables are safer than oil

what kind of renewables are you thinking about ?

renewables

thanks, great for day to day like life home/business electricity but very limited in the transportation field....public transportation is another story but still limited.

Maybe we should invest more in public education and research. Instead of worrying about a pipeline.

Or maybe even do both at the same time.

Oohhh. Sorry, I may have misunderstood you when I said that. I thought you meant worrying about a pipeline as in worrying about it being built.

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Tiki said:

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PJ_Soul said:

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CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

mrussel1 said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/24/trump-administration-approves-keystone-xl-pipeline.html

Yeah I was thinking that there is just not enough oil supply in the market. That's why the price is so high per barrel. This will really help.

I don't know if will affect oil prices or not but will create some temp jobs and some long term jobs as well I also think piping oil is safer than trucking it.

I think renewables are safer than oil

what kind of renewables are you thinking about ?

renewables

thanks, great for day to day like life home/business electricity but very limited in the transportation field....public transportation is another story but still limited.

Maybe we should invest more in public education and research. Instead of worrying about a pipeline.

why not both, does it need to one or the other ? unfortunately fossil fuel is it right now, renewable has not reached a level
to serve the masses on it's own but there are companies like sempra energies that are using renewable energy and pouring tens of millions of dollars into creating more renewable energy sources so until then why fight something we all need.

My perspective is that a surge in the renewable energy industry can be brought on much sooner and faster if there was a more deliberate move towards it, and that means not building new pipelines. New pipelines make it easy for everyone to go on basically ignoring the push towards renewable energy, whereas if the focus were just on maintaining existing pipelines there would be more pressure to innovate and invest in renewables. New pipelines = no real reason to truly persevere in terms of renewable technology. Basically, I think we actually need a man made mini-crisis in terms of aging oil infrastructure to force the renewable energy sector to grow (no, I don't mean neglecting pipelines to the rupture, lol... not that they don't rupture often enough anyhow). Not building a bunch of brand new pipelines doesn't mean we'll run out of oil that we currently need.

someday we may get there but right now the amount of change it would take to convert from fossil to renewable would bankrupt the entire country and most of the civilized world, we have a bigger dependency on oil that some people realize, most our day to day livelihoods would stop without oil.

Wildly inaccurate. The fossil fuel industry loves that narrative.

I disagree, almost any business or home and even electric cars use or have products in them that use/contain oil, manufacturing the parts
for cars, plastics of any kind, your AC unit in your home to saw mills......you name it and it at some point in it's production needs oil
then there is the simple fact that most Americans still want internal combustion engines for pleasure and business not to mention that renewable energy has not developed at all in public air transportation ( Boeing etc.) yes fossil loves that narrative but they have all of us by the short and curlys....try and carry on just one day with out using something to survive with that did not use oil of some sort in it production or operation.

That's why you don't do it in a week, a month, a year... you take at least a decade or more. Businesses will replace all sorts of equipment during that period as will a homeowner. Did everyone buy switch from their hot stove to radiator heat in the same year? No of course not, it was gradual. Same with renewables.

Tiki said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

mrussel1 said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/24/trump-administration-approves-keystone-xl-pipeline.html

Yeah I was thinking that there is just not enough oil supply in the market. That's why the price is so high per barrel. This will really help.

I don't know if will affect oil prices or not but will create some temp jobs and some long term jobs as well I also think piping oil is safer than trucking it.

I think renewables are safer than oil

what kind of renewables are you thinking about ?

renewables

thanks, great for day to day like life home/business electricity but very limited in the transportation field....public transportation is another story but still limited.

Maybe we should invest more in public education and research. Instead of worrying about a pipeline.

why not both, does it need to one or the other ? unfortunately fossil fuel is it right now, renewable has not reached a level
to serve the masses on it's own but there are companies like sempra energies that are using renewable energy and pouring tens of millions of dollars into creating more renewable energy sources so until then why fight something we all need.

My perspective is that a surge in the renewable energy industry can be brought on much sooner and faster if there was a more deliberate move towards it, and that means not building new pipelines. New pipelines make it easy for everyone to go on basically ignoring the push towards renewable energy, whereas if the focus were just on maintaining existing pipelines there would be more pressure to innovate and invest in renewables. New pipelines = no real reason to truly persevere in terms of renewable technology. Basically, I think we actually need a man made mini-crisis in terms of aging oil infrastructure to force the renewable energy sector to grow (no, I don't mean neglecting pipelines to the rupture, lol... not that they don't rupture often enough anyhow). Not building a bunch of brand new pipelines doesn't mean we'll run out of oil that we currently need.

someday we may get there but right now the amount of change it would take to convert from fossil to renewable would bankrupt the entire country and most of the civilized world, we have a bigger dependency on oil that some people realize, most our day to day livelihoods would stop without oil.

Wildly inaccurate. The fossil fuel industry loves that narrative.

Absolutely. That line of GF's is absolute garbage. The only way that would happen is if all the refineries and pipelines and drills were simply shut down one day, which is clearly not the way it works. Obviously growing the renewable energy sector is a long term plan that involves so many different sectors, including education and research. IMO, building brand new massive pipelines, though, does not at all lead to beginning that concerted long-term effort. On the contrary - it tells me that the oil companies and the current government have every intention of cruising merrily along on oil money for as long as they possibly can, and growing the renewable energy industry and starting to "arrange" North America around that new initiative will simply get in the way of all that easy oil money. Developing real initiatives towards renewable energy is the LAST thing most of our leaders and all the rich people who control us all want. Most politicians are only paying the concept lip service in order to get votes.

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Tiki said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

CM189191 said:

Godfather. said:

mrussel1 said:

Godfather. said:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/24/trump-administration-approves-keystone-xl-pipeline.html

Yeah I was thinking that there is just not enough oil supply in the market. That's why the price is so high per barrel. This will really help.

I don't know if will affect oil prices or not but will create some temp jobs and some long term jobs as well I also think piping oil is safer than trucking it.

I think renewables are safer than oil

what kind of renewables are you thinking about ?

renewables

thanks, great for day to day like life home/business electricity but very limited in the transportation field....public transportation is another story but still limited.

Maybe we should invest more in public education and research. Instead of worrying about a pipeline.

why not both, does it need to one or the other ? unfortunately fossil fuel is it right now, renewable has not reached a level
to serve the masses on it's own but there are companies like sempra energies that are using renewable energy and pouring tens of millions of dollars into creating more renewable energy sources so until then why fight something we all need.

My perspective is that a surge in the renewable energy industry can be brought on much sooner and faster if there was a more deliberate move towards it, and that means not building new pipelines. New pipelines make it easy for everyone to go on basically ignoring the push towards renewable energy, whereas if the focus were just on maintaining existing pipelines there would be more pressure to innovate and invest in renewables. New pipelines = no real reason to truly persevere in terms of renewable technology. Basically, I think we actually need a man made mini-crisis in terms of aging oil infrastructure to force the renewable energy sector to grow (no, I don't mean neglecting pipelines to the rupture, lol... not that they don't rupture often enough anyhow). Not building a bunch of brand new pipelines doesn't mean we'll run out of oil that we currently need.

someday we may get there but right now the amount of change it would take to convert from fossil to renewable would bankrupt the entire country and most of the civilized world, we have a bigger dependency on oil that some people realize, most our day to day livelihoods would stop without oil.

Wildly inaccurate. The fossil fuel industry loves that narrative.

Absolutely. That line of GF's is absolute garbage. The only way that would happen is if all the refineries and pipelines and drills were simply shut down one day, which is clearly not the way it works. Obviously growing the renewable energy sector is a long term plan that involves so many different sectors, including education and research. IMO, building brand new massive pipelines, though, does not at all lead to beginning that concerted long-term effort. On the contrary - it tells me that the oil companies and the current government have every intention of cruising merrily along on oil money for as long as they possibly can, and growing the renewable energy industry and starting to "arrange" North America around that new initiative will simply get in the way of all that easy oil money. Developing real initiatives towards renewable energy is the LAST thing most of our leaders and all the rich people who control us all want. Most politicians are only paying the concept lip service in order to get votes.

challenge yourself, refuse any oil related products into your new life......see how far that line of absolute garbage gets you.

Would you give people the respect of reading what they wrote before responding? You say "how can I get to work without oil", PJSoul responds that what matters isn't an immediate switch over but a long-term investment in renewable resources with a reasonable and thorough response, and you reiterate "how can I get to work without oil". Everyone reads your opinions, why won't you do the same for them?

Fake news.