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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/21/1645719/-The-FBI-did-wiretap-Trump-Tower-in-2013-because-it-s-filled-with-Russian-mobsters
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/21/1645693/-The-real-bombshell-of-the-House-Intelligence-Trump-Russia-hearing-happened-in-the-hallway
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Independent Prosecutor, please.
    Bristow 05132010 to Amsterdam 2 06132018
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    U
    Bentleyspop said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    Now you're making sense
    Now it makes sense to you. But for some others, I was already making sense earlier. People understand things at different times, levels.

  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Tiki said:

    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/3/21/1645693/-The-real-bombshell-of-the-House-Intelligence-Trump-Russia-hearing-happened-in-the-hallway

    "I don't know who they are"

    Like my boy Jesus said... "laughable, man"
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,537
    Idris said:

    U

    Bentleyspop said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    Now you're making sense
    Now it makes sense to you. But for some others, I was already making sense earlier. People understand things at different times, levels.

    Too vague. All I've seen you suggest is that the burning it down consists of questioning the electoral college and holding people accountable. That's all possible in the current system.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Idris said:

    U

    Bentleyspop said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    Now you're making sense
    Now it makes sense to you. But for some others, I was already making sense earlier. People understand things at different times, levels.

    Sometimes it's the delivery of the message that stymies communication. If the message is presented poorly, then interpretation of the message is unlikely to occur.

    I'm not saying anything other than it's not always the listener who's responsible for 'failure to communicate'.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Idris said:

    U

    Bentleyspop said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    Now you're making sense
    Now it makes sense to you. But for some others, I was already making sense earlier. People understand things at different times, levels.

    I couldn't disagree with you anymore. See my contra-point above and why the Bannon/Lenin destruction tactic is so dangerous and historically a failure.
  • Idris
    Idris Posts: 2,317
    edited March 2017
    mrussel1 said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    You speak like a true Leninist in both the historical sense and the post-modern philosophy. Burn it down. But how many of those internal revolutions created something better on the backside? Russia? China? France? Balkan? Spanish?

    How about we try to fix some things before we burn them, eh? History is pretty clear that a dictator follows these civil wars. Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Tito, Franco... we can keep going if you'd like.
    Yes keep going.

    Again..The house is already burning to the ground. But for you mass spying, US imperialism, our two party system is perfectly fine. Letting our leaders lie, kill and destroy is apparently not serious enough.

    When I was fighting against apartheid in South Africa. We had people who would say "we can still fix this"

    Sorry, We needed a restart. And we got it. (South Africa is far from perfect now. But at least they took time to reflect and ask some very important questions about the future of the country. About themselves)

    We need that here. Truly open conversations.
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
    Thirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    Idris said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    You speak like a true Leninist in both the historical sense and the post-modern philosophy. Burn it down. But how many of those internal revolutions created something better on the backside? Russia? China? France? Balkan? Spanish?

    How about we try to fix some things before we burn them, eh? History is pretty clear that a dictator follows these civil wars. Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Tito, Franco... we can keep going if you'd like.
    Yes keep going.

    Again..The house is already burning to the ground. But for you mass spying, US imperialism, our two party system is perfectly fine. Letting our leaders lie, kill and destroy is apparently not serious enough.

    When I was fighting against apartheid in South Africa. We had people who would say "we can still fix this"

    Sorry, We needed a restart. And we got it. (South Africa is far from perfect now. But at least they took time to reflect and ask some very important questions about the future of the country. About themselves)

    We need that here. Truly open conversations.
    Things have got to get worse before they can get better?
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  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    Idris said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    You speak like a true Leninist in both the historical sense and the post-modern philosophy. Burn it down. But how many of those internal revolutions created something better on the backside? Russia? China? France? Balkan? Spanish?

    How about we try to fix some things before we burn them, eh? History is pretty clear that a dictator follows these civil wars. Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Tito, Franco... we can keep going if you'd like.
    Yes keep going.

    Again..The house is already burning to the ground. But for you mass spying, US imperialism, our two party system is perfectly fine. Letting our leaders lie, kill and destroy is apparently not serious enough.

    When I was fighting against apartheid in South Africa. We had people who would say "we can still fix this"

    Sorry, We needed a restart. And we got it. (South Africa is far from perfect now. But at least they took time to reflect and ask some very important questions about the future of the country. About themselves)

    We need that here. Truly open conversations.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,879
    Idris said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    You speak like a true Leninist in both the historical sense and the post-modern philosophy. Burn it down. But how many of those internal revolutions created something better on the backside? Russia? China? France? Balkan? Spanish?

    How about we try to fix some things before we burn them, eh? History is pretty clear that a dictator follows these civil wars. Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Tito, Franco... we can keep going if you'd like.
    Yes keep going.

    Again..The house is already burning to the ground. But for you mass spying, US imperialism, our two party system is perfectly fine. Letting our leaders lie, kill and destroy is apparently not serious enough.

    When I was fighting against apartheid in South Africa. We had people who would say "we can still fix this"

    Sorry, We needed a restart. And we got it. (South Africa is far from perfect now. But at least they took time to reflect and ask some very important questions about the future of the country. About themselves)

    We need that here. Truly open conversations.
    You don't need to destroy the republic to revoke the Patriot Act. What makes you think there is enough support in this country to do such a thing and that there is enough support to end US Imperialism as you define it? The reality is that the vacuum created by destroying the republic would be filled by exactly the types of characters I just pointed out, in which Trump is a two bit character of the same order. To think something more benevolent will rise is extremely naive. The thrust of populism in this country today has NOTHING to do with spying, imperialism or likely anything you find important. Do you see anyone protesting in the streets today because Trump wants to increase the defense budget?? Hell no. There's no popular will to evoke what you are advocating.

    Destroy first and hope you like what forms later? No thanks.. good luck with that position.
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    edited March 2017
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Idris said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    You speak like a true Leninist in both the historical sense and the post-modern philosophy. Burn it down. But how many of those internal revolutions created something better on the backside? Russia? China? France? Balkan? Spanish?

    How about we try to fix some things before we burn them, eh? History is pretty clear that a dictator follows these civil wars. Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Tito, Franco... we can keep going if you'd like.
    Yes keep going.

    Again..The house is already burning to the ground. But for you mass spying, US imperialism, our two party system is perfectly fine. Letting our leaders lie, kill and destroy is apparently not serious enough.

    When I was fighting against apartheid in South Africa. We had people who would say "we can still fix this"

    Sorry, We needed a restart. And we got it. (South Africa is far from perfect now. But at least they took time to reflect and ask some very important questions about the future of the country. About themselves)

    We need that here. Truly open conversations.
    Things have got to get worse before they can get better?
    Things most definitely WILL get worse because the entire United States Congress and it's "we enjoy power" Republican majority is in ENABLE mode. House members like South Carolina's Trey Gowdy and California's Devin Nunes and Kentucky (or wherever the fuck he's from) Sen. Mitch McFuckin Connell are prime examples. What sad little men.

    The R's in the Senate certainly didn't stop any of those cabinet nominees.
    The R's in the House will pass that POS heath insurance bill.

    Constitutionally speaking, there have to be several Republican Senatorial defections, or the House must move to impeach the OF.
    If they haven't done it yet...what will need to happen? Seriously.


    Post edited by ikiT on
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Idris said:

    U

    Bentleyspop said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    Now you're making sense
    Now it makes sense to you. But for some others, I was already making sense earlier. People understand things at different times, levels.

    Sometimes it's the delivery of the message that stymies communication. If the message is presented poorly, then interpretation of the message is unlikely to occur.

    I'm not saying anything other than it's not always the listener who's responsible for 'failure to communicate'.
    Or, some people like puzzles and to connect the dots. There's going to be a whole lot of dots getting connected pretty soon.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 41,995
    Tiki said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Idris said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    You speak like a true Leninist in both the historical sense and the post-modern philosophy. Burn it down. But how many of those internal revolutions created something better on the backside? Russia? China? France? Balkan? Spanish?

    How about we try to fix some things before we burn them, eh? History is pretty clear that a dictator follows these civil wars. Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Tito, Franco... we can keep going if you'd like.
    Yes keep going.

    Again..The house is already burning to the ground. But for you mass spying, US imperialism, our two party system is perfectly fine. Letting our leaders lie, kill and destroy is apparently not serious enough.

    When I was fighting against apartheid in South Africa. We had people who would say "we can still fix this"

    Sorry, We needed a restart. And we got it. (South Africa is far from perfect now. But at least they took time to reflect and ask some very important questions about the future of the country. About themselves)

    We need that here. Truly open conversations.
    Things have got to get worse before they can get better?
    Things most definitely WILL get worse because the entire United States Congress and it's "we enjoy power" Republican majority is in ENABLE mode. House members like South Carolina's Trey Gowdy and California's Devin Nunes and Kentucky (or wherever the fuck he's from) Sen. Mitch McFuckin Connell are prime examples. What sad little men.

    The R's in the Senate certainly didn't stop any of those cabinet nominees.
    The R's in the House will pass that POS heath insurance bill.

    Constitutionally speaking, there have to be several Republican Senatorial defections, or the House must move to impeach the OF.
    If they haven't done it yet...what will need to happen? Seriously.


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  • my2hands
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    This all depends on exactly what we are burning down?

    https://youtu.be/uhKq9JvssB8
  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Tiki said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Idris said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Idris said:

    This was started by the democrats. *Vote The lesser of two evils (so? things stay the same)
    Well this around I said, what if we *vote The MOST evil, so we are forced to bring change.
    -
    Change is hard, revolutions are not easy and are often bloody. The Time is now.

    Of course being in the US we have the opportunity for a *bloodless revolution. We have laws, rules,votes...a great thing called the constitution.

    Lets use our tools properly, positively.

    So Lets take trump down, And from now on hold our leaders accountable for Their words, their actions.

    You speak like a true Leninist in both the historical sense and the post-modern philosophy. Burn it down. But how many of those internal revolutions created something better on the backside? Russia? China? France? Balkan? Spanish?

    How about we try to fix some things before we burn them, eh? History is pretty clear that a dictator follows these civil wars. Stalin, Mao, Napoleon, Tito, Franco... we can keep going if you'd like.
    Yes keep going.

    Again..The house is already burning to the ground. But for you mass spying, US imperialism, our two party system is perfectly fine. Letting our leaders lie, kill and destroy is apparently not serious enough.

    When I was fighting against apartheid in South Africa. We had people who would say "we can still fix this"

    Sorry, We needed a restart. And we got it. (South Africa is far from perfect now. But at least they took time to reflect and ask some very important questions about the future of the country. About themselves)

    We need that here. Truly open conversations.
    Things have got to get worse before they can get better?
    Things most definitely WILL get worse because the entire United States Congress and it's "we enjoy power" Republican majority is in ENABLE mode. House members like South Carolina's Trey Gowdy and California's Devin Nunes and Kentucky (or wherever the fuck he's from) Sen. Mitch McFuckin Connell are prime examples. What sad little men.

    The R's in the Senate certainly didn't stop any of those cabinet nominees.
    The R's in the House will pass that POS heath insurance bill.

    Constitutionally speaking, there have to be several Republican Senatorial defections, or the House must move to impeach the OF.
    If they haven't done it yet...what will need to happen? Seriously.


    The caged bird needs to sing.
    word
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    One thing the OF's Presidency has brought on is a total lack of productivity at my personal desk. JESUS.
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  • ikiT
    ikiT USA Posts: 11,059
    http://www.10news.com/news/politics/dc-daily-president-trump-meets-with-house-republicans-in-latest-health-care-bill-push

    President Trump reportedly issued this warning to House Republicans during a closed session meeting on the health care bill: "I honestly think many of you will lose your seats in 2018 if you don't get this done."
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Manafort just looks like a slimeball

    am I right?
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