America's Gun Violence

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  • PJ_Soul
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    unsung said:

    Well I have been informed that you can't talk of busting gang members because now apparently that is racist talk.

    No, nobody here said it, that I have seen. It was on a local news report.

    Are you sure you've really got the context right there? I'd like to know what "talk of busting gang members" means in the context of the news story.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,143
    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    Who s gonna be first to discredit these numbers?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    mcgruff10 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    Who s gonna be first to discredit these numbers?
    I'm all ears.
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  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    edited March 2017
    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    So how many preventable deaths is that?
    How is that in relation to other causes; like terrorism, car accidents or overdoses?
    Or compared to other countries?
    What's the standard here? How many preventable deaths are acceptable?

    I get skeptical when people talk in percentages, don't provide real numbers, or any perspective. This is cherry picking data.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    I've said it time after time, most police officers are not firearm experts and are often not very proficiently trained.
    https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2017/03/robert-farago/chicago-pd-bounces-just-3-of-recruits-could-you-pass-chicago-police-department-shooting-test/
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2017
    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    So how many preventable deaths is that?
    How is that in relation to other causes; like terrorism, car accidents or overdoses?
    Or compared to other countries?
    What's the standard here? How many preventable deaths are acceptable?

    I get skeptical when people talk in percentages, don't provide real numbers, or any perspective. This is cherry picking data.
    Any research that I've seen shows that drug overdoses and car accidents far outweigh unintentional firearm deaths. The point is that unintentional firearm deaths are lower than ever due to proper education. Statistically, more firearms does not correlate with more unintended firearm deaths and more education does correlate with fewer unintended firearm deaths.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    So how many preventable deaths is that?
    How is that in relation to other causes; like terrorism, car accidents or overdoses?
    Or compared to other countries?
    What's the standard here? How many preventable deaths are acceptable?

    I get skeptical when people talk in percentages, don't provide real numbers, or any perspective. This is cherry picking data.
    Any research that I've seen shows that drug overdoses and car accidents far outweigh unintentional firearm deaths. The point is that unintentional firearm deaths are lower than ever due to proper education. Statistically, more firearms does not correlate with more unintended firearm deaths and more education does correlate with fewer unintended firearm deaths.
    That is completely untrue in the global sense
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2017
    oftenreading said:

    PJPOWER said:

    CM189191 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    So how many preventable deaths is that?
    How is that in relation to other causes; like terrorism, car accidents or overdoses?
    Or compared to other countries?
    What's the standard here? How many preventable deaths are acceptable?

    I get skeptical when people talk in percentages, don't provide real numbers, or any perspective. This is cherry picking data.
    Any research that I've seen shows that drug overdoses and car accidents far outweigh unintentional firearm deaths. The point is that unintentional firearm deaths are lower than ever due to proper education. Statistically, more firearms does not correlate with more unintended firearm deaths and more education does correlate with fewer unintended firearm deaths.
    That is completely untrue in the global sense
    Thought it was implied that I am specifically talking about the United States...where education is helping to reduce unintentional firearm deaths according to the most recent statistics. I am being a bit facetious, in all honesty. These statistical interpretations can be skewed and manipulated by either side of the argument to fit their validation needs. I've seen the CDC reaseatch of violence grossly exaggerated and grossly misleading by gun control advocates as well as vise versa. It's hard to address any problems when the research methods are flawed.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    PJPOWER said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    Who s gonna be first to discredit these numbers?
    I'm all ears.
    I'll discredit the conclusion you're probably drawing. Gun sales increased, but not because more people are buying guns, it's because gun owners are hoarding guns. There's no relationship between the number of guns purchased and the decrease in accidental deaths.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2017
    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    Who s gonna be first to discredit these numbers?
    I'm all ears.
    I'll discredit the conclusion you're probably drawing. Gun sales increased, but not because more people are buying guns, it's because gun owners are hoarding guns. There's no relationship between the number of guns purchased and the decrease in accidental deaths.
    Yeah, there is no great way of gathering information to support this statement. There have been reports that more and more women are purchasing firearms and getting into hunting/shooting sports, but most surveys of "who owns a gun" is probably going to be inaccurate due the broad hesitation of gun owners divulging such information to the surveyors. For instance, most people have been taught to "just say no" when asked by medical professionals whether or not they own guns and there is no demographic information turned in to anyone from the gun sellers. How is it that you think you can accurately confirm that the most people buying guns are hoarders? From what I've seen and heard, the rate of 1st time gun purchases are on the increase and have been for a while (especially during Obama's presidency) due to the hype/fear/whatever you want to call it.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    My conclusion's based on responses to the question of whether or not there's a gun in the household. This has dropped over time. People lying about it would likely stay constant over time. The paranoia about the government taking your guns has always been around.
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited March 2017
    Go Beavers said:

    My conclusion's based on responses to the question of whether or not there's a gun in the household. This has dropped over time. People lying about it would likely stay constant over time. The paranoia about the government taking your guns has always been around.

    That would be something interesting to research. I wonder if the statistics relate to trust/distrust in the government or how means of gathering information have changed over time. I, for one, screen any phone numbers that I do not recognize these days due to the abundance of telemarketers/scammers (although I'm on the no call list and this annoys me to no end), but who knows how many surveyor calls I've rejected. Not to mention that people in states that have become more strict on gun control lately would invite a lot more people lying or refusing to answer gun ownership questionnaires accurately. There are plenty of reasons those numbers might be highly questionable based on the gathering methods. I think there are probably a lot more gun owners out there than most imagine.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • go pre
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    last two paragraph pretty much sum it up.

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-injured-wisconsin-shooting-schools-lockdown-46310182
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  • Godfather.
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    Go Beavers said:

    PJPOWER said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    PJPOWER said:

    Interesting...
    "the number of fatal firearms accidents dropped 17 percent from 2014 to 2015 to 489, the lowest total since record-keeping began in 1903. That’s about three-tenths of 1 percent of the 146,571 total accidental deaths from all other listed causes, which are up 8 percent from 2014 to 2015. It should be noted that the decrease, which was the largest percentage decline of any category, came in a year that saw record firearms sales to many millions of Americans."
    http://www.nssfblog.com/unintentional-firearms-fatalities-fall-17-percent/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=bulletpoints&utm_term

    Who s gonna be first to discredit these numbers?
    I'm all ears.
    I'll discredit the conclusion you're probably drawing. Gun sales increased, but not because more people are buying guns, it's because gun owners are hoarding guns. There's no relationship between the number of guns purchased and the decrease in accidental deaths.
    concealed carry permits and gun sales have dropped very little if any at all, most license's and sales are credited to minorities
    lately, I don't have a link to provide but it was something I read just recently.

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