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Check out the big brain on Brad!my2hands said:
Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVESBS44325 said:
Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.mrussel1 said:
It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...
To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/0 -
I have always entertained this possibility. It is just that the evidence to date has been completely thin. Not to mention that ever since Trump's weekend tweet storm every single person asked says that they have bot seen evidence of this collusion. It has been a massive walkback up and down the line and now the new focus is Trump's accusation on spying.rgambs said:
It's telling that you don't consider the possibility that all the claims of Trump colluding with Russia are completely true and he will go down for it.BS44325 said:
If Trump breathes it raises the risk of impeachment.Merkin Baller said:
This Bloomberg article is pretty interesting:Tiki said:Is flat out lying to the American people an impeachable offense? It should be.
I'm pretty sure it's illegal to lie in any official document, court, police investigation or any kind of government inquiry.
This takes a while to load in but it's totally worth it.
LIES!
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2017-03-06/trump-s-wiretap-tweets-raise-risk-of-impeachment
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I should add that article is largely correct. If Trump is correct it is a scandal of watergate proportions and if Trump is making it up then he has problems coming his way. The question eveybody needs to ask is "what did Trump know when he made his tweets?". A lot of people are gambling on Trump making it all up. Cards will be put on the table.0 -
Oooooooo, this makes Trump's appointment of Carson to direct HUD brilliant!BS44325 said:
Check out the big brain on Brad!my2hands said:
Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVESBS44325 said:
Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.mrussel1 said:
It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...
To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/
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Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.dignin said:Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.
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That just proves that context is everything.BS44325 said:
Check out the big brain on Brad!my2hands said:
Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVESBS44325 said:
Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.mrussel1 said:
It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...
To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
And he still can't back his claim. Hilarious that you still defend him.BS44325 said:
Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.dignin said:Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.
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1. Brennan is still left. We haven't heard much from him. Clapper has only denied a FISA request. Comey has so far disputed nothing on the record.mrussel1 said:
Well the difference is credibility. Breitbart has pushed made up scandals since its inception. Could they get one right? Sure. Maybe. But their batting average so far isn't very good. Oh and neither is Trump's (Birther, voting fraud, etc.).BS44325 said:
Does Treasurey financial crimes unit have an ongoing investigation? Are you sure about this? You seem to want to have it both ways. For months you have linked to sources detailing evidence against Trump that would only come from spying. Breitbart via Levin used these same sources to make their case. Now you want to flip it and say all these same sources are garbage. You also assume Trump only has this information and nothing else. Trump is the only one with access to everything. He knows what all the cards show and they will soon be put on the table.Halifax2TheMax said:
I'm afraid, really, really afraid. Now, about that asparagus and meatloaf? You're relying on a brietbart propagated defense of Trump's Saturday morning shit storm? The serial liar is finally going to speak the truth to power. Are you kidding me? And what if the "evidence" is foreign sourced intelligence, professor? That was vetted and found to be plausible? You ever stop to wonder why Treasury's financial crimes unit has an ongoing investigation? Spin baby spin. Lay those cards on the table Trump, show us what you got. I'm all in for his impeachment.BS44325 said:
Correct the President can't order a FISA on his own. That is not in dispute. He would likely be made aware of it however. We also don't know if it was the FBI who ordered the tap but "if" there even was a tap the President could not simply direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. There are "sources and methods" issues that could be exposed especially if transcripts involve conversations with foreign governments. Cards will be put on the table in the coming weeks. Every newspaper and democratic politician who insinuated that there is evidence and/or recordings demonstrating Trump campaign collusion with Russia will either have to double down on the existence of this evidence through spying or admit they have nothing at all. On the flip side Trump will have to reveal what spying was conducted, who ordered it, and how was that info handeled. Based on the democratic walk backs by the media, people like Sen Chris Coons, Jon Favreau and others it appears that Trump has the upper hand. Democratic obsession with a possible loss to Trump triggered watergate level spying on a candidate. Those are the facts that you should be scared of.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?BS44325 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU
You are explicitly wrong on two fronts of your statements above though:
1. Trump is not the only person with all the information. Comey knows what the FBI did and Clapper knows what the intelligence agencies did. There's really no one left after that. If Trump "knew", then why would these two professionals refute him so quickly?
2. No, the cards will not be on the table. In fact Spicer headed that off for what should be obvious reasons when he said "There will be no further comment until the investigation is complete". Really? Are we all that naive on the tactic being used here?
2. The tactic is "brilliant" because charges such as the one Chris Coons made on Friday have already been walked back and will now forever stop. We will no longer read one more story in the New York Times or anywhere else about wiretaps. Why? Because to do so would prove Trump right on spying and we can't have that can we? So where does that leave the Russia investigation? It is dead in the water. The well has run dry. Guilt by innuendo is over now that anonymous leakers and the media can no longer feed the fire with "transcripts" and "recordings" of communications. Those are the #resistance's cards on the table. Trump sent a shot across the bow and now only has to come up with one instance of a conversation and/or computer being spied on by a federal agency to prove he was right. The computer angle exists. The Flynn conversation exists. The spying on his conversations with Mexico and Australia exists. Pretty easy cards to show in time.0 -
No it just illustrate how those who went into meltdown over Carson's words are full on phonies.Halifax2TheMax said:
Oooooooo, this makes Trump's appointment of Carson to direct HUD brilliant!BS44325 said:
Check out the big brain on Brad!my2hands said:
Slaves dreamed of a better life, because THEY WERE FUCKING SLAVESBS44325 said:
Only tone deaf when you read it. If you actually watch the clip Carson is speaking about the greatness of immigrants and then segways into slaves who dreamed of a better life. Major Marquis Warren is off base.mrussel1 said:
It's a little tone deaf. It's sort of like how Devos called the advent of HBCUs a victory of school,choice rather than a necessity of segregation. It's strange spin.BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”
They didn't view America as some shining beacon on a hill... America was their hell on earth...
To try an explain away Carson's MORONIC statement, which I've seen and is even worse when you watch it, is totally and absolutely ridiculous. For real.
http://thefederalist.com/2017/03/07/11-times-barack-obama-compared-slaves-to-immigrants/0 -
Can't or won't? Nobody on here has posted more links to evidence obtained on Russia and Trump via intelligence agencies then you. Yet all of a sudden Trump is a liar and none of this data collection ever happened? I get it...you're living in a material world and you're just a material girl. From that angle it makes complete sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
And he still can't back his claim. Hilarious that you still defend him.BS44325 said:
Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.dignin said:Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.
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trump saying Obama ordered it is the lie. You're losing focus.0
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You continue to act as if the method of collecting the data, in whatever form, is disconnected to all the other facts that we do know about, have been widely reported on and haven't been disputed by the republican congress and to which I listed. Your response was to claim that I make up a lot of facts. I asked you to point out which of them were false. Again, you deflected and avoided answering. I asked you what if a foreign intelligence agency passed on the information and it was vetted, shown to be factual and was the underlying basis of either a FISA or an FBI wire tap being requested and granted. You didn't respond. Again, you're clinging to a defense that see, I told you, they tapped trump tower. But dismissing or negating all of the other known facts and there may very well be probable cause to back up said requests for and granting of wire taps. Those are the cards that trump could show if he so wanted. Instead, he's hiding behind supposition, deflection and outright lies. You were hanging Hillary Clinton on much less.BS44325 said:
Can't or won't? Nobody on here has posted more links to evidence obtained on Russia and Trump via intelligence agencies then you. Yet all of a sudden Trump is a liar and none of this data collection ever happened? I get it...you're living in a material world and you're just a material girl. From that angle it makes complete sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
And he still can't back his claim. Hilarious that you still defend him.BS44325 said:
Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.dignin said:Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.
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Is this a fact, professor BS?
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Seems you may finally get the opportunity for Trump to prove how brilliant he is, don't we BS?
http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/07/politics/house-intelligence-committee-schedules-russia-hearing-march-20/index.html
And for a Monday no less. Would have thought they would have scheduled it for a late Thursday night before everyone headed home for a long weekend? But hey, maybe they want to see Obama in jail?09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
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I don't think Trump used the word "ordered. It think that was used here. Either way he implied it.Go Beavers said:trump saying Obama ordered it is the lie. You're losing focus.
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This one is not a fact. It is an opinion. But I don't expect a comedian to understand the difference.Halifax2TheMax said:Is this a fact, professor BS?
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This is a fact but so what? They wouldn't necessarily know what Trump knows. Also these same people say they have seen no evidence of collusion with Russia. Do you believe them?Halifax2TheMax said:0 -
I responded to Mrussel on the foreign intelligence aspect but again you have proven that you don't read. But either way...in this very post you are in fact saying there was spying. You are just arguing that it was "obviously" legal. What makes you so sure? Nobody on here actually knows anything. Your facts are for the most part tidbits of innuendo or meaningless pieces of dust that are supposed to add up to some narrative of collusion with Russia. Every single person with intel knowledge, both republican and democrat, along with Clapper said as of Sunday that their is zero evidence of collusion. Nobody seems to believe it other then you and Madonna. That is the only fact that matters.Halifax2TheMax said:
You continue to act as if the method of collecting the data, in whatever form, is disconnected to all the other facts that we do know about, have been widely reported on and haven't been disputed by the republican congress and to which I listed. Your response was to claim that I make up a lot of facts. I asked you to point out which of them were false. Again, you deflected and avoided answering. I asked you what if a foreign intelligence agency passed on the information and it was vetted, shown to be factual and was the underlying basis of either a FISA or an FBI wire tap being requested and granted. You didn't respond. Again, you're clinging to a defense that see, I told you, they tapped trump tower. But dismissing or negating all of the other known facts and there may very well be probable cause to back up said requests for and granting of wire taps. Those are the cards that trump could show if he so wanted. Instead, he's hiding behind supposition, deflection and outright lies. You were hanging Hillary Clinton on much less.BS44325 said:
Can't or won't? Nobody on here has posted more links to evidence obtained on Russia and Trump via intelligence agencies then you. Yet all of a sudden Trump is a liar and none of this data collection ever happened? I get it...you're living in a material world and you're just a material girl. From that angle it makes complete sense.Halifax2TheMax said:
And he still can't back his claim. Hilarious that you still defend him.BS44325 said:
Oh is that the case? It is this claim that is silly. Trump has the entire intelligence community at his disposal. This might be something you want to start considering.dignin said:Hey BS, you do know that Trump gets his intelligence briefings from Fox and Friends, Brietbart and Alex Jones? You may want to back down on your defence of Trumps tweet on Obama spying, it's getting silly.
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I feel sure that my friend @RandPaul will come along with the new and great health care program because he knows Obamacare is a disaster!0
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Bullshit. That's what Trump wants to happen. It's the classic playbook that he uses in business deals, but it's not the same in Washington. The investigation is not dead. In fact Mark Warner is going to Langley TOMORROW and reviewing the raw CIA intelligence on the Trump team connections. Some GOP members saw it today. Sessions is already on record as agreeing to recuse himself. The only thing that's over is the Obama tapping piece. The Spicer presser today makes it very clear that Trump had no evidence. If it existed, he would have access to it. Right wing writers (and you) have contorted themselves on how Trump could be right. But Spicer's presser today showed clearly why you are all wrong. There is truly no "there"..there.BS44325 said:
1. Brennan is still left. We haven't heard much from him. Clapper has only denied a FISA request. Comey has so far disputed nothing on the record.mrussel1 said:
Well the difference is credibility. Breitbart has pushed made up scandals since its inception. Could they get one right? Sure. Maybe. But their batting average so far isn't very good. Oh and neither is Trump's (Birther, voting fraud, etc.).BS44325 said:
Does Treasurey financial crimes unit have an ongoing investigation? Are you sure about this? You seem to want to have it both ways. For months you have linked to sources detailing evidence against Trump that would only come from spying. Breitbart via Levin used these same sources to make their case. Now you want to flip it and say all these same sources are garbage. You also assume Trump only has this information and nothing else. Trump is the only one with access to everything. He knows what all the cards show and they will soon be put on the table.Halifax2TheMax said:
I'm afraid, really, really afraid. Now, about that asparagus and meatloaf? You're relying on a brietbart propagated defense of Trump's Saturday morning shit storm? The serial liar is finally going to speak the truth to power. Are you kidding me? And what if the "evidence" is foreign sourced intelligence, professor? That was vetted and found to be plausible? You ever stop to wonder why Treasury's financial crimes unit has an ongoing investigation? Spin baby spin. Lay those cards on the table Trump, show us what you got. I'm all in for his impeachment.BS44325 said:
Correct the President can't order a FISA on his own. That is not in dispute. He would likely be made aware of it however. We also don't know if it was the FBI who ordered the tap but "if" there even was a tap the President could not simply direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. There are "sources and methods" issues that could be exposed especially if transcripts involve conversations with foreign governments. Cards will be put on the table in the coming weeks. Every newspaper and democratic politician who insinuated that there is evidence and/or recordings demonstrating Trump campaign collusion with Russia will either have to double down on the existence of this evidence through spying or admit they have nothing at all. On the flip side Trump will have to reveal what spying was conducted, who ordered it, and how was that info handeled. Based on the democratic walk backs by the media, people like Sen Chris Coons, Jon Favreau and others it appears that Trump has the upper hand. Democratic obsession with a possible loss to Trump triggered watergate level spying on a candidate. Those are the facts that you should be scared of.Halifax2TheMax said:
So, professor? What are Trump's reasons? Time for Trump to show his cards. But typical of your response, more distraction and factless deflection. You do realize that the POTUS can't order a FISA on his own, right? And if it's the FBI who sought and was granted a wire tap, Trump could direct the Justice Department to make public the evidence. You know this right? So why is Trump hiding behind a lie? Care to discuss facts, professor?BS44325 said:Halifax2TheMax said:
So why are you giving it so much explanation? Triggered? Why don't we discuss the facts thus far of Trump's campaign ilk and their ties to Putin's ilk? Or Trump's complete fabrication that Obama tapped his ever prescious Trump Tower? Would you like to discuss facts, professor? Or continue your supposition and distractions? Professor?BS44325 said:
This is not in dispute. Carson is discussing the initial slaves brought over as "immigrants" followed by their children and grandchildren. People want to go crazy over the use of the word "immigrant" because slaves didn't come by choice. Well no shit. Do people think Ben Carson doesn't know that? The point is that even if they were brought over against their will nobody should argue against their rights and wants to live a better life. This is Kellyanne Conway feet on the couch level bullshit. I don't care if Samuel L Jackson has a wallet that says "Bad Muthafucka" on it...it doesn't make him anymore correct. Tomorrow he'll be arguing that DACA kids who were brought to the US against their will should have full legal status.mrussel1 said:
The slave trade was abolished in 1807. That means the vast majority of slaves freed in 1865 were not born in Africa. So it's kind of a silly statement. However they did have the option to go to Liberia which was established for that reason. However that country was even more foreign than the US.BS44325 said:
Sorry. Please explain to me why this is offensive? It is not immigration by choice obviously but it was deemed that those forced into slavery should be granted all the rights of a citizen who did immigrate. It is a fact that these slaves did want full rights for themselves and their children. I could be wrong but I don't believe many chose to return to their country of origin post-emancipation? What part of this is so off base?Bentleyspop said:The president's pick for HUD secretary. ......
Carson says slaves were ‘immigrants’ with dreams for their children
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/03/ben-carson-slaves-immigrants-235730
“There were other immigrants who came here in the bottom of slave ships, worked even longer, even harder for less,” he said. “But they too had a dream that one day their sons, daughters, grandsons, granddaughters, great-grandsons, great-granddaughters might pursue prosperity and happiness in this land.”https://youtu.be/PI1fvJmF1UU
You are explicitly wrong on two fronts of your statements above though:
1. Trump is not the only person with all the information. Comey knows what the FBI did and Clapper knows what the intelligence agencies did. There's really no one left after that. If Trump "knew", then why would these two professionals refute him so quickly?
2. No, the cards will not be on the table. In fact Spicer headed that off for what should be obvious reasons when he said "There will be no further comment until the investigation is complete". Really? Are we all that naive on the tactic being used here?
2. The tactic is "brilliant" because charges such as the one Chris Coons made on Friday have already been walked back and will now forever stop. We will no longer read one more story in the New York Times or anywhere else about wiretaps. Why? Because to do so would prove Trump right on spying and we can't have that can we? So where does that leave the Russia investigation? It is dead in the water. The well has run dry. Guilt by innuendo is over now that anonymous leakers and the media can no longer feed the fire with "transcripts" and "recordings" of communications. Those are the #resistance's cards on the table. Trump sent a shot across the bow and now only has to come up with one instance of a conversation and/or computer being spied on by a federal agency to prove he was right. The computer angle exists. The Flynn conversation exists. The spying on his conversations with Mexico and Australia exists. Pretty easy cards to show in time.0
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