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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,147
    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    "Lawnewz?" Not the ABA? Or the Cato Institute? Lawnewz, with a z? Really? A wholly owned subsidiary of brietbart or drudge?

    Well I guess you didn't read it. Clearly to wordy for you. To intricate. To technical. My bad...I forgot what grade I was teaching.
    By the way, Professor, are you going to respond to the definition of apartheid or are you looking for a click bait website to link to? Let me know when you're serious because right now, with all that's swirling in the bowl, you look silly.

    Bring it on, from Russia with love, follow the money, impeach trump.
    Typical deflect and distraction. That's ok...I for one am excited. So many previous scandals have been compared to Watergate but now we get to witness an investigation of something that is almost literally Watergate. Sure a judge approved the spying but boy oh boy if that approval was abused this will get extremely entertaining. What did Obama know about the FISA request and when did he know it? Heck is this what Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton talked about on the airplane? Did she share some inside info? So many angles to investigate. Sessions will have his hands full.
    Whatever. You are trolling and you know it. If the Obama admin made a request and it was approved by the FISA judge, by definition it is legal. Unless the current justice department can prove that the FISA judge (a separate branch of gov't) colluded and the judge knowingly approved a request that the judge found to be illegitimate, too broad or unrelated, then there's no case. That's a pretty long stretch and not even close to Watergate. Because last time I saw All the President's Men, I don't recall a judge approving the break in and tapping.
    The FISA request and approval would have been narrow. The paperwork needs to be seen. What evidence obtained post-spying would need to be seen. How this evidence was handled and then disseminated needs to be seen. There are laws that govern all of this. The judge approval may be valid but post-approval conduct might not have been. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane. This is an administration spying on a candidate. Nobody will be ok if Trump brings a FISA request on his 2020 opponent. Prospective candidates better not meet with any foreign ambassadors over the next couple of years...that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.
    There are a few very important aspects that you are forgetting:

    1. What was the reason for the request? According to Mark Levin it was related to a server in Trump Tower that was connected directly to a pair of Russian banks. Under the Patriot Act and corresponding financial related acts like the Bank Secrecy Act and the AML, the government has a duty and obligation to monitor such potential illegal transactions or data sharing.

    2. There is nothing in the Patriot Act that exempts political candidates from the requirements and therefore the wiretaps.

    The risk for Trump of course, to make an ex-President his new enemy to try to change the story from his current crisis. As has been well documented, the tapping of Trump Tower was something that made the news before the election. Trump team certainly knew about it. Curious that he chose Saturday to make it his new Foil Du Jour.
    I'm glad that you are conceding that Trump Tower was tapped. I am not 100% certain myself and it doesn't appear the media is fully confirming this yet. You're points above are not incorrect but I'm sure you understand how explosive this can be. A candidate was being spyed on and rightly or wrongly it sets a very dangerous precedent. The paperwork and conduct better be on the up and up.
    You act as if Obama ordered trump tower tapped on a whim. The paper work better be on the up and up? Trump's tax returns better be on the up and up. Can you imagine if a dem were faced with such allegations? Oh wait, they already were, Benghazi, birth certificate, fast & furious, a bush era program Obama inherited, by the way. False equivalency and narrative that isn't going anywhere no matter how hard you stamp your feet.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    BS, you'll be comforted to know Senator Rubio is all over this for you. We should know in a few days.

    http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/05/politics/marco-rubio-trump-obama-wiretap/index.html
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  • mrussel1
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    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    "Lawnewz?" Not the ABA? Or the Cato Institute? Lawnewz, with a z? Really? A wholly owned subsidiary of brietbart or drudge?

    Well I guess you didn't read it. Clearly to wordy for you. To intricate. To technical. My bad...I forgot what grade I was teaching.
    By the way, Professor, are you going to respond to the definition of apartheid or are you looking for a click bait website to link to? Let me know when you're serious because right now, with all that's swirling in the bowl, you look silly.

    Bring it on, from Russia with love, follow the money, impeach trump.
    Typical deflect and distraction. That's ok...I for one am excited. So many previous scandals have been compared to Watergate but now we get to witness an investigation of something that is almost literally Watergate. Sure a judge approved the spying but boy oh boy if that approval was abused this will get extremely entertaining. What did Obama know about the FISA request and when did he know it? Heck is this what Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton talked about on the airplane? Did she share some inside info? So many angles to investigate. Sessions will have his hands full.
    Whatever. You are trolling and you know it. If the Obama admin made a request and it was approved by the FISA judge, by definition it is legal. Unless the current justice department can prove that the FISA judge (a separate branch of gov't) colluded and the judge knowingly approved a request that the judge found to be illegitimate, too broad or unrelated, then there's no case. That's a pretty long stretch and not even close to Watergate. Because last time I saw All the President's Men, I don't recall a judge approving the break in and tapping.
    The FISA request and approval would have been narrow. The paperwork needs to be seen. What evidence obtained post-spying would need to be seen. How this evidence was handled and then disseminated needs to be seen. There are laws that govern all of this. The judge approval may be valid but post-approval conduct might not have been. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane. This is an administration spying on a candidate. Nobody will be ok if Trump brings a FISA request on his 2020 opponent. Prospective candidates better not meet with any foreign ambassadors over the next couple of years...that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.
    There are a few very important aspects that you are forgetting:

    1. What was the reason for the request? According to Mark Levin it was related to a server in Trump Tower that was connected directly to a pair of Russian banks. Under the Patriot Act and corresponding financial related acts like the Bank Secrecy Act and the AML, the government has a duty and obligation to monitor such potential illegal transactions or data sharing.

    2. There is nothing in the Patriot Act that exempts political candidates from the requirements and therefore the wiretaps.

    The risk for Trump of course, to make an ex-President his new enemy to try to change the story from his current crisis. As has been well documented, the tapping of Trump Tower was something that made the news before the election. Trump team certainly knew about it. Curious that he chose Saturday to make it his new Foil Du Jour.
    I'm glad that you are conceding that Trump Tower was tapped. I am not 100% certain myself and it doesn't appear the media is fully confirming this yet. You're points above are not incorrect but I'm sure you understand how explosive this can be. A candidate was being spyed on and rightly or wrongly it sets a very dangerous precedent. The paperwork and conduct better be on the up and up.
    I'm not conceding that. I'm following the premise to start.

    It doesn't create a dangerous precedent in my mind considering the questions surrounding the Trump people's consistent and bizarre lies around meeting with the Russians, coupled with the general acquiescence of the American people with the Patriot Act. In fact, it may have been a dereliction of duty by the Obama Justice Dept to NOT investigate the issue.
  • dignin
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    Trump has twitter diarrhea and conservatives, like BS, are left trying to make sense of it the next day. It's hilarious and embarrassing.

    Must be part of Trump's brilliant plan.

    Haha.
  • bootlegger10
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    edited March 2017
    It could not be any more ironic that the Clinton campaign was furious over Russian hacking while all the while the U.S. Justice Department was tapping the Trump campaign communications.

    Here is what I want: Charge the administration or move on. Let's get this show on the road. Trump hasn't even done anything yet. When he does something than the left can fight it, just like the right did with Obama.
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  • Gern Blansten
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    It's hilarious watching Trump's minions trip all over themselves trying to explain away the idiocy of his twitter comments.

    Huckabee-Sanders got grilled by Martha Raddatz this morning.
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    Gern Blansten said:

    It's hilarious watching Trump's minions trip all over themselves trying to explain away the idiocy of his twitter comments.

    Huckabee-Sanders got grilled by Martha Raddatz this morning.

    Yeah, the President's spokesperson saying "I'll let the President speak for himself" is just a ridiculous statement.
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,773

    Trump's claim that Obama ordered the wire "tapp" holds about as much water as the illegal voter claim. How's that investigation going btw? The same thing will happen w/ the investigation into Obama. Nothing, because they are both baseless claims from a paranoid sociopath.

    I believe Louise Mensch's report that the FISA warrant requested by the FBI for surveillance was approved in October. Trying to associate Obama w/ the surveillance is an attempt to undermine the results as a political attack. It's also convenient as Trump needs an enemy to rally his supporters. He'll never stop campaigning against HRC & Obama, because he has to keep reminding the rubes how much they hate them and why they supported him in the first place.

    It's a very convenient distraction & it works:

    "Never mind Russia, remember Hillary? Remember Obama?"

    *trump supporters go nuts because f liberals*




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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    bootlegger10 said:

    It could not be any more ironic that the Clinton campaign was furious over Russian hacking while all the while the U.S. Justice Department was tapping the Trump campaign communications.

    Here is what I want: Charge the administration or move on. Let's get this show on the road. Trump hasn't even done anything yet. When he does something than the left can fight it, just like the right did with Obama.

    Four agencies are actively investigating the Trump camp and their ties to Russia and Putin. Fact. Thorough investigations take time, particularly with all the ties that bind these clowns to Russia and Putin. This is not about a political witch hunt as a result of sour grapes over a lost election. This is about a very serious direct threat to our democratic ideals with a quid pro quo thrown in as an added bonus. Trump is going to be impeached.

    Follow the money, like Congress minus Cruz, from Russia with love, impeach trump.

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  • mfc2006
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    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    "Lawnewz?" Not the ABA? Or the Cato Institute? Lawnewz, with a z? Really? A wholly owned subsidiary of brietbart or drudge?

    Well I guess you didn't read it. Clearly to wordy for you. To intricate. To technical. My bad...I forgot what grade I was teaching.
    By the way, Professor, are you going to respond to the definition of apartheid or are you looking for a click bait website to link to? Let me know when you're serious because right now, with all that's swirling in the bowl, you look silly.

    Bring it on, from Russia with love, follow the money, impeach trump.
    Typical deflect and distraction. That's ok...I for one am excited. So many previous scandals have been compared to Watergate but now we get to witness an investigation of something that is almost literally Watergate. Sure a judge approved the spying but boy oh boy if that approval was abused this will get extremely entertaining. What did Obama know about the FISA request and when did he know it? Heck is this what Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton talked about on the airplane? Did she share some inside info? So many angles to investigate. Sessions will have his hands full.
    Whatever. You are trolling and you know it. If the Obama admin made a request and it was approved by the FISA judge, by definition it is legal. Unless the current justice department can prove that the FISA judge (a separate branch of gov't) colluded and the judge knowingly approved a request that the judge found to be illegitimate, too broad or unrelated, then there's no case. That's a pretty long stretch and not even close to Watergate. Because last time I saw All the President's Men, I don't recall a judge approving the break in and tapping.
    The FISA request and approval would have been narrow. The paperwork needs to be seen. What evidence obtained post-spying would need to be seen. How this evidence was handled and then disseminated needs to be seen. There are laws that govern all of this. The judge approval may be valid but post-approval conduct might not have been. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane. This is an administration spying on a candidate. Nobody will be ok if Trump brings a FISA request on his 2020 opponent. Prospective candidates better not meet with any foreign ambassadors over the next couple of years...that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.
    1. might not have been---this is pure specualtion.
    2. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane.---again, speculation & an attempt to speak for others.
    3. This is an administration spying on a candidate.--I am of the belief that if there was probable cause, this is warranted. I don't give a shit who the candidate is. If they are operating outside of the boundaries of the law and constitution, they should be investigated. Whoever requested the FISA warrant must have had not only a strong belief, but strong evidence as well to convince the judge to sign off on it. It appears that 2 FISA requests were made. When the first one was declined, I imagine that it was due to lack of evidence. When it was approved, I would think that they had more than enough evidence to proceed.
    4. that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.--if he still holds that position in 2020.
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  • mrussel1
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    This seems to be an important note @BS44325 Now this doesn't mean the FBI didn't make such a request as I don't believe it falls under the DHS, but one would be surprised if Comey was working illegally with the White House.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39172719

    James Clapper, who left his post when Mr Trump took office on 20 January, told NBC's Meet the Press: "There was no such wire-tap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, as a candidate, or against his campaign."
    He said that as intelligence director he would have known about any "court order on something like this. Absolutely, I can deny it".
  • mfc2006
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    this is one of Trump's advisors......good god.



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  • BS44325
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    mrussel1 said:

    This seems to be an important note @BS44325 Now this doesn't mean the FBI didn't make such a request as I don't believe it falls under the DHS, but one would be surprised if Comey was working illegally with the White House.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-39172719

    James Clapper, who left his post when Mr Trump took office on 20 January, told NBC's Meet the Press: "There was no such wire-tap activity mounted against the president-elect at the time, as a candidate, or against his campaign."
    He said that as intelligence director he would have known about any "court order on something like this. Absolutely, I can deny it".

    Absolutely important but let's not forget that Clapper previously lied to congress under oath with respect to intelligence agencies spying on US citizens.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Gern Blansten said:

    It's hilarious watching Trump's minions trip all over themselves trying to explain away the idiocy of his twitter comments.

    Huckabee-Sanders got grilled by Martha Raddatz this morning.

    And then right after that Josh Earnest couldn't issue a denial on the spying. Every answer from the Obama end of things has been very "lawyery". A lot of non-denial denials. There was spying from the Obama DOJ...that is where all this Russia innuendo is coming from. The scandal is turning out to be different from what you all hoped.

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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    bootlegger10 said:

    Gern Blansten said:

    It's hilarious watching Trump's minions trip all over themselves trying to explain away the idiocy of his twitter comments.

    Huckabee-Sanders got grilled by Martha Raddatz this morning.

    Yeah, the President's spokesperson saying "I'll let the President speak for himself" is just a ridiculous statement.
    Only the President can legally mention knowledge of any spying. Everything else is classified...for now.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    edited March 2017
    mfc2006 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    "Lawnewz?" Not the ABA? Or the Cato Institute? Lawnewz, with a z? Really? A wholly owned subsidiary of brietbart or drudge?

    Well I guess you didn't read it. Clearly to wordy for you. To intricate. To technical. My bad...I forgot what grade I was teaching.
    By the way, Professor, are you going to respond to the definition of apartheid or are you looking for a click bait website to link to? Let me know when you're serious because right now, with all that's swirling in the bowl, you look silly.

    Bring it on, from Russia with love, follow the money, impeach trump.
    Typical deflect and distraction. That's ok...I for one am excited. So many previous scandals have been compared to Watergate but now we get to witness an investigation of something that is almost literally Watergate. Sure a judge approved the spying but boy oh boy if that approval was abused this will get extremely entertaining. What did Obama know about the FISA request and when did he know it? Heck is this what Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton talked about on the airplane? Did she share some inside info? So many angles to investigate. Sessions will have his hands full.
    Whatever. You are trolling and you know it. If the Obama admin made a request and it was approved by the FISA judge, by definition it is legal. Unless the current justice department can prove that the FISA judge (a separate branch of gov't) colluded and the judge knowingly approved a request that the judge found to be illegitimate, too broad or unrelated, then there's no case. That's a pretty long stretch and not even close to Watergate. Because last time I saw All the President's Men, I don't recall a judge approving the break in and tapping.
    The FISA request and approval would have been narrow. The paperwork needs to be seen. What evidence obtained post-spying would need to be seen. How this evidence was handled and then disseminated needs to be seen. There are laws that govern all of this. The judge approval may be valid but post-approval conduct might not have been. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane. This is an administration spying on a candidate. Nobody will be ok if Trump brings a FISA request on his 2020 opponent. Prospective candidates better not meet with any foreign ambassadors over the next couple of years...that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.
    1. might not have been---this is pure specualtion.
    2. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane.---again, speculation & an attempt to speak for others.
    3. This is an administration spying on a candidate.--I am of the belief that if there was probable cause, this is warranted. I don't give a shit who the candidate is. If they are operating outside of the boundaries of the law and constitution, they should be investigated. Whoever requested the FISA warrant must have had not only a strong belief, but strong evidence as well to convince the judge to sign off on it. It appears that 2 FISA requests were made. When the first one was declined, I imagine that it was due to lack of evidence. When it was approved, I would think that they had more than enough evidence to proceed.
    4. that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.--if he still holds that position in 2020.
    Ha. All of a sudden we're against speculation are we? You are in the same post justifying spying on electoral candidates based on speculation! Amazing. The AMT has gone full circle on spying and McCarthyism. Bring on the investigations!
  • Merkin Baller
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    Look how well the Obama distraction is working. People are already projecting silly things like "if Bush did this to Obama......"

    A judge approved the FISA warrant based on probable cause, and I'm willing to bet a paycheck that it wasn't because of campaign chicanery. It's shameful how much people believe anything that comes out of this serial liar's mouth.

    I recommend giving Louise Mensch a follow if you're on twitter:




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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Merkin Baller said:


    Look how well the Obama distraction is working. People are already projecting silly things like "if Bush did this to Obama......"

    A judge approved the FISA warrant based on probable cause, and I'm willing to bet a paycheck that it wasn't because of campaign chicanery. It's shameful how much people believe anything that comes out of this serial liar's mouth.

    I recommend giving Louise Mensch a follow if you're on twitter:




    Don't get distracted.



    Follow the ruble.
    Yes a judged approved but a request from the Obama DOJ along with an affidavit would have been required. Also yes you would have all gone insane had the Bush DOJ brought a FISA request on Obama. That is the only thinf that isn't speculation at this point. It's a certainty.
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    BS44325 said:

    mfc2006 said:

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    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    "Lawnewz?" Not the ABA? Or the Cato Institute? Lawnewz, with a z? Really? A wholly owned subsidiary of brietbart or drudge?

    Well I guess you didn't read it. Clearly to wordy for you. To intricate. To technical. My bad...I forgot what grade I was teaching.
    By the way, Professor, are you going to respond to the definition of apartheid or are you looking for a click bait website to link to? Let me know when you're serious because right now, with all that's swirling in the bowl, you look silly.

    Bring it on, from Russia with love, follow the money, impeach trump.
    Typical deflect and distraction. That's ok...I for one am excited. So many previous scandals have been compared to Watergate but now we get to witness an investigation of something that is almost literally Watergate. Sure a judge approved the spying but boy oh boy if that approval was abused this will get extremely entertaining. What did Obama know about the FISA request and when did he know it? Heck is this what Loretta Lynch and Bill Clinton talked about on the airplane? Did she share some inside info? So many angles to investigate. Sessions will have his hands full.
    Whatever. You are trolling and you know it. If the Obama admin made a request and it was approved by the FISA judge, by definition it is legal. Unless the current justice department can prove that the FISA judge (a separate branch of gov't) colluded and the judge knowingly approved a request that the judge found to be illegitimate, too broad or unrelated, then there's no case. That's a pretty long stretch and not even close to Watergate. Because last time I saw All the President's Men, I don't recall a judge approving the break in and tapping.
    The FISA request and approval would have been narrow. The paperwork needs to be seen. What evidence obtained post-spying would need to be seen. How this evidence was handled and then disseminated needs to be seen. There are laws that govern all of this. The judge approval may be valid but post-approval conduct might not have been. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane. This is an administration spying on a candidate. Nobody will be ok if Trump brings a FISA request on his 2020 opponent. Prospective candidates better not meet with any foreign ambassadors over the next couple of years...that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.
    1. might not have been---this is pure specualtion.
    2. Lastly...if Bush had attempted this on Obama you would all be going insane.---again, speculation & an attempt to speak for others.
    3. This is an administration spying on a candidate.--I am of the belief that if there was probable cause, this is warranted. I don't give a shit who the candidate is. If they are operating outside of the boundaries of the law and constitution, they should be investigated. Whoever requested the FISA warrant must have had not only a strong belief, but strong evidence as well to convince the judge to sign off on it. It appears that 2 FISA requests were made. When the first one was declined, I imagine that it was due to lack of evidence. When it was approved, I would think that they had more than enough evidence to proceed.
    4. that will give the Sessions DOJ a free hand to make a FISA request.--if he still holds that position in 2020.
    Ha. All of a sudden we're against speculation are we? You are in the same post justifying spying on electoral candidates based on speculation! Amazing. The AMT has gone full circle on spying and McCarthyism. Bring on the investigations!
    Umm, speculation lead to Manafort resigning? Speculation lead to Sessions lying to congress? Speculation lead to Sessions recusing himself? Speculation lead to Flynn's resignation? It's speculation that Hillary's emails were hacked and released? Speculation seems to be your order of the day.
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