Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,919
    mrussel1 said:

    He can't really claim fake news on this... Too much happening.

    The whole thing is so terrible. The interesting part is that both Flynn and Sessions would have legitimate reasons to be communicating with the Russian officials. They didn't have to lie. Yet they did. So why would they do that?

    Perhaps it tells us that their reasons for communicating weren't legitimate at all. That is my assumption.
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  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 40,033
    Godfather. said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/03/sessions-not-alone-russian-ambassador-also-met-with-numerous-democrats.html

    it's not about meeteing with the russians. it's about lying about it under oath.
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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    From The Washington Post today:

    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Godfather. said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/03/sessions-not-alone-russian-ambassador-also-met-with-numerous-democrats.html

    Typically... you're missing the point. He had every right to meet with the Russian diplomat. So did Flynn. But they were not honest in those dealings. So the question is...why??
    Flynn lied Pence. Sessions was intellectually dishonest in the hearings. And here's the thing. Anytime you go through a depo or any other proceeding like this, you have the opportunity to correct your answers. You get a copy of the testimony and you red line it. He didn't correct the record. That's the problem.
  • Jason P
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    Racist + Pro Reefer Madness + Ties to Soviet Russia = Get the fuck out of town, Jeffrey.

    Trump must be disappointed that he will never be allowed to appoint Steven Seagal to a cabinet position.
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  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Jason P said:

    Racist + Pro Reefer Madness + Ties to Soviet Russia = Get the fuck out of town, Jeffrey.

    Get the fuck out of Malibu, Lebowski!!!

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 32,117
    I don't recall I don't recall I don't recall except conversations from 20 plus yrs ago lol
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  • mfc2006
    mfc2006 HTOWN Posts: 37,491
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Godfather. said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/03/sessions-not-alone-russian-ambassador-also-met-with-numerous-democrats.html

    it's not about meeteing with the russians. it's about lying about it under oath.
    exactly...that's what a LOT of people are missing with this information.
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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    mfc2006 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Godfather. said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/03/sessions-not-alone-russian-ambassador-also-met-with-numerous-democrats.html

    it's not about meeteing with the russians. it's about lying about it under oath.
    exactly...that's what a LOT of people are missing with this information.
    Oh it's not being missed by the purveyors of it. It's an intentional curve ball to draw equivalency so it makes it look partisan. Trump and the echo chamber know exactly what they're doing.
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    edited March 2017
    When you take everything into context... election, trump candidacy, geo-political situation... it is absolutely about having the communications with the Russians as well as lying... there is a reason they are lying... there is a reason 5 Trump associates have had to resign/recuse due to nefarious relationships/dealings/conversations... there is a reason why every American intelligence agency says that Russia interfered in our elections with various forms of cyber attacks... Russian generated fake news... wiki leaks... the golden shower dossier...

    These were not "normal" conversations about the weather in Moscow... these were direct communications between Donald Trump & Vladimir Putin via surrogates in some form of quid pro quo negotiation/agreement/blackmail

    those with business interests in Russia have good reason for sanctions to be lifted... they also have good reason to have and maintain a favorable relationship with the supremely powerful, and generous, Vladimir Putin... and Putin has great interest in expanding Russian influence, especially regionally, to regain soviet era dominance... maybe he has even greater ambition (he is speculated to be the wealthiest person on the planet by some)... all of this requires sanctions lifted and an unsoldified Europe and Euro/USA alliance... which would likely be the road map to the quid pro quo relationship

    Now follow the damn rubles
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 43,164
    my2hands said:

    When you take everything into context... election, trump candidacy, geo-political situation... it is absolutely about having the communications with the Russians as well as lying... there is a reason they are lying... there is a reason 5 Trump associates have had to resign/recuse due to nefarious relationships/dealings/conversations... there is a reason why every American intelligence agency says that Russia interfered in our elections with various forms of cyber attacks... Russian generated fake news... wiki leaks... the golden shower dossier...

    These were not "normal" conversations about the weather in Moscow... these were direct communications between Donald Trump & Vladimir Putin via surrogates in some form of quid pro quo negotiation/agreement/blackmail

    those with business interests in Russia have good reason for sanctions to be lifted... they also have good reason to have and maintain a favorable relationship with the supremely powerful, and generous, Vladimir Putin... and Putin has great interest in expanding Russian influence, especially regionally, to regain soviet era dominance... maybe he has even greater ambition (he is speculated to be the wealthiest person on the planet by some)... all of this requires sanctions lifted and an unsoldified Europe and Euro/USA alliance... which would likely be the road map to the quid pro quo relationship

    Now follow the damn rubles

    RNC changes party platform to be more favorable to pro Russian dictator in Ukraine, July 18-21. July 24, wikileak dumps Hillary's campaign emails. Many associates of Trump have business relationships with Russian oligarchs close to Putin.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/17/1635092/-Follow-the-Money-Wilbur-Kushner-Cadre-and-Russia

    Also, Trump U settlement of $25M? Who paid it? What is the source of the money? When was that settlement reached?

    Damn right follow the fucking money. Can you say bought and paid for?

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  • my2hands
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    Don't forget the girl who claimed she was raped by Trump when she was underage... she suddenly dropped everything as soon as he got elected... how much $ did she get in the obvious non-disclosure settlement???
  • my2hands
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    my2hands said:

    When you take everything into context... election, trump candidacy, geo-political situation... it is absolutely about having the communications with the Russians as well as lying... there is a reason they are lying... there is a reason 5 Trump associates have had to resign/recuse due to nefarious relationships/dealings/conversations... there is a reason why every American intelligence agency says that Russia interfered in our elections with various forms of cyber attacks... Russian generated fake news... wiki leaks... the golden shower dossier...

    These were not "normal" conversations about the weather in Moscow... these were direct communications between Donald Trump & Vladimir Putin via surrogates in some form of quid pro quo negotiation/agreement/blackmail

    those with business interests in Russia have good reason for sanctions to be lifted... they also have good reason to have and maintain a favorable relationship with the supremely powerful, and generous, Vladimir Putin... and Putin has great interest in expanding Russian influence, especially regionally, to regain soviet era dominance... maybe he has even greater ambition (he is speculated to be the wealthiest person on the planet by some)... all of this requires sanctions lifted and an unsoldified Europe and Euro/USA alliance... which would likely be the road map to the quid pro quo relationship

    Now follow the damn rubles

    RNC changes party platform to be more favorable to pro Russian dictator in Ukraine, July 18-21. July 24, wikileak dumps Hillary's campaign emails. Many associates of Trump have business relationships with Russian oligarchs close to Putin.

    http://www.dailykos.com/story/2017/2/17/1635092/-Follow-the-Money-Wilbur-Kushner-Cadre-and-Russia

    Also, Trump U settlement of $25M? Who paid it? What is the source of the money? When was that settlement reached?

    Damn right follow the fucking money. Can you say bought and paid for?

    Money pouring in from Russia... Putin gave me a great gift... I know Putin

    Now he doesn't know Putin and hasn't called there in 10 years... meanwhile he is surrounded by people with business deals in Russia... and the apartment under his at trump tower was housing a Russian mafia gambling ring

    These weren't conversations about ice hockey and Rocky 4...

    Follow the money and take this treasonous Cheeto colored bafoon down
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Where are all the Trump defenders? Come on, spin, baby, spin. Sad!

    Follow the billions, from Russia with love, impeach trump.
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  • josevolution
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4242718/amp/Vladimir-Putin-200-billion-fortune.html

    Not bad for a public servant ...
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Ten to twelve individuals own 90% of the wealth in Russia. All are close to Putin. Check PBS' Frontline piece on Putin and how he got his start. He's a scary dude or bad hombre.

    Follow the money, from Russia with love, impeach Trump.
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  • joseph33
    joseph33 Washington DC Posts: 1,341
    It's all Anthony Weiners fault! Putin wants the old Soviet Union back and found a friend in Trump to help him do it.
  • mrussel1
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    joseph33 said:

    It's all Anthony Weiners fault! Putin wants the old Soviet Union back and found a friend in Trump to help him do it.

    It is true that at the end of the day, most of the world's problems stem from a wiener.
  • Merkin Baller
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    Lots of interesting stuff coming out today....... Trump unleashed a tweet storm that could end up costing him.

    He accused Obama of illegally "tapping his wires" in Trump tower just before the election (which was first reported by Louise Mensch in November..... old news). The thing is, presidents can't order wiretapping, that has to be approved by a federal judge. According to these reports, a judge denied a wiretap request by the FBI in July, but then authorized one in October, which means there was probable cause to justify the surveillance.

    Trump may have just confirmed this FISA surveillance warrant which until today had not been. Malcolm Nance thinks this morning's behavior by Trump is that of a man trying to get out in front of something.

    Get your popcorn ready folks, there could be some fireworks in the next few days.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,981
    Merkin Baller said:

    Lots of interesting stuff coming out today....... Trump unleashed a tweet storm that could end up costing him.

    He accused Obama of illegally "tapping his wires" in Trump tower just before the election (which was first reported by Louise Mensch in November..... old news). The thing is, presidents can't order wiretapping, that has to be approved by a federal judge. According to these reports, a judge denied a wiretap request by the FBI in July, but then authorized one in October, which means there was probable cause to justify the surveillance.

    Trump may have just confirmed this FISA surveillance warrant which until today had not been. Malcolm Nance thinks this morning's behavior by Trump is that of a man trying to get out in front of something.

    Get your popcorn ready folks, there could be some fireworks in the next few days.

    Could well be true. Excellent point.

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