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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    And if youre worried about access to birth control I'd rather develop programs that offer free birth control to single moms than to deal with the consequences of raising 6 kids on minimum wage.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:

    And if youre worried about access to birth control I'd rather develop programs that offer free birth control to single moms than to deal with the consequences of raising 6 kids on minimum wage.

    People might argue that that is rewarding people for poor choices.

    I would not; but, you know, some might.
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  • mace1229
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    In most of the situations Ive seen it wouldn't be all the kids. The 15 year old daughter is forced to stay home to take care of the 1 or 2 not in school yet. It would be those 1 or 2 not in school so the daughter can go to school. And most foster kids are temporary. Give some requirements for the mother to meet and help her meet them. And if she meets it she gets the kids back and have programs that offer short-term reduced childcare so she has time to figure out when to do the following year, like finding a work schedule where child care isn't needed.
    I'm all for assistance, I'm just against totally free handouts that don't hold a capable adult accountable.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    And if youre worried about access to birth control I'd rather develop programs that offer free birth control to single moms than to deal with the consequences of raising 6 kids on minimum wage.

    People might argue that that is rewarding people for poor choices.

    I would not; but, you know, some might.
    I would argue that would be helping them make the right choice and avoiding a mistake. And anyone who complains I'd just argue its a lot cheaper than the alternative of the state raising or supporting the children that would otherwise happen.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:

    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    And if youre worried about access to birth control I'd rather develop programs that offer free birth control to single moms than to deal with the consequences of raising 6 kids on minimum wage.

    People might argue that that is rewarding people for poor choices.

    I would not; but, you know, some might.
    I would argue that would be helping them make the right choice and avoiding a mistake. And anyone who complains I'd just argue its a lot cheaper than the alternative of the state raising or supporting the children that would otherwise happen.
    Of course it's cheaper. Plus more effective, more humane, and more reasonable. But a big chunk of your country has enough trouble with just the idea of birth control. Free birth control will blow their minds.

    I would also argue that it makes more sense to provide it free before the recipients are in the situation of being single mothers, not after. But that would typically involve acknowledging that young people sometimes have sex before marriage, and we all know that shouldn't happen, right?
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    And if youre worried about access to birth control I'd rather develop programs that offer free birth control to single moms than to deal with the consequences of raising 6 kids on minimum wage.

    People might argue that that is rewarding people for poor choices.

    I would not; but, you know, some might.
    I would argue that would be helping them make the right choice and avoiding a mistake. And anyone who complains I'd just argue its a lot cheaper than the alternative of the state raising or supporting the children that would otherwise happen.
    Of course it's cheaper. Plus more effective, more humane, and more reasonable. But a big chunk of your country has enough trouble with just the idea of birth control. Free birth control will blow their minds.

    I would also argue that it makes more sense to provide it free before the recipients are in the situation of being single mothers, not after. But that would typically involve acknowledging that young people sometimes have sex before marriage, and we all know that shouldn't happen, right?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    And if youre worried about access to birth control I'd rather develop programs that offer free birth control to single moms than to deal with the consequences of raising 6 kids on minimum wage.

    People might argue that that is rewarding people for poor choices.

    I would not; but, you know, some might.
    I would argue that would be helping them make the right choice and avoiding a mistake. And anyone who complains I'd just argue its a lot cheaper than the alternative of the state raising or supporting the children that would otherwise happen.
    Of course it's cheaper. Plus more effective, more humane, and more reasonable. But a big chunk of your country has enough trouble with just the idea of birth control. Free birth control will blow their minds.

    I would also argue that it makes more sense to provide it free before the recipients are in the situation of being single mothers, not after. But that would typically involve acknowledging that young people sometimes have sex before marriage, and we all know that shouldn't happen, right?
    Who has ever suggested Americans don't have sex? First I've heard of that.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    mace1229 said:

    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    oftenreading said:

    mace1229 said:

    And if youre worried about access to birth control I'd rather develop programs that offer free birth control to single moms than to deal with the consequences of raising 6 kids on minimum wage.

    People might argue that that is rewarding people for poor choices.

    I would not; but, you know, some might.
    I would argue that would be helping them make the right choice and avoiding a mistake. And anyone who complains I'd just argue its a lot cheaper than the alternative of the state raising or supporting the children that would otherwise happen.
    Of course it's cheaper. Plus more effective, more humane, and more reasonable. But a big chunk of your country has enough trouble with just the idea of birth control. Free birth control will blow their minds.

    I would also argue that it makes more sense to provide it free before the recipients are in the situation of being single mothers, not after. But that would typically involve acknowledging that young people sometimes have sex before marriage, and we all know that shouldn't happen, right?
    Who has ever suggested Americans don't have sex? First I've heard of that.
    I don't think anyone ever said American's don't have sex. There are far too many of you for that.

    And that's not what I said, either.

    Are you really trying to argue against the fact that many, many people, often of a religious bent, are so unable to accept that many teens and young adults will have sex that they attempt to deny them access to appropriate information and effective birth control?
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    The school mandate is to teach abstinence. It's a hard sell.

    It's good to promote abstinence for young teens, but I think it is far more helpful to teach proper birth control and the risks.

    Think of previous generations and the ridiculous expectations for young adults established by religion: no sex and no masturbation lest you go blind.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    The school mandate is to teach abstinence. It's a hard sell.

    It's good to promote abstinence for young teens, but I think it is far more helpful to teach proper birth control and the risks.

    Think of previous generations and the ridiculous expectations for young adults established by religion: no sex and no masturbation lest you go blind.

    I remember hearing the going blind thing when I was growing up.
    Let me tell you the risk was worth the reward.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.
  • mace1229
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    And if you're referencing the religious activist groups, I think that is a good example of the loudest voice being the 1%. Which is why there's so much misinformation out there, the loudest usually isn't the majority
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I was taught abstinence only in the early 2000's
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  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I teach.

    Canadian curricular emphasis is to 'promote' (or encourage) abstinence.

    Birth control methods and risks are taught as well, but abstinence is an emphasis.
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    edited February 2017
    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I teach.

    Canadian curricular emphasis is to 'promote' (or encourage) abstinence.

    Birth control methods and risks are taught as well, but abstinence is an emphasis.
    Is there a disclaimer in the curricular that the emphasis is based upon the fact that abstinence is %100 effective and to leave it at that?
    I would think that as you say (encourage) can leave it open to much interpretation by the teacher as to how they impart this fact to students.

  • RYME
    RYME Wisconsin Posts: 1,904
    edited February 2017
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I teach.

    Canadian curricular emphasis is to 'promote' (or encourage) abstinence.

    Birth control methods and risks are taught as well, but abstinence is an emphasis.
    Is there a disclaimer in the curricular that the emphasis is based upon the fact that abstinence is %100 effective and to leave it at that?
    I would think that as you say (encourage) can leave it open to much interpretation by the teacher as to how they impart this fact to students.

    Yea. My fundamental disagreement with the way Obama ran the country had absolutely nothing to do with his race. I don't hate him I just disagree. I was never against him, he was my president of for 8 years and I had hoped that he would do XYZ. But that didn't happen.
    I think he would be much better suited to work the toll booth on a bridge somewhere, and would probably be handing out the wrong change all the time. But I never hated the guy and my disregard for him had nothing to do with race. I ment to make my own comment not attached to any ones.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    RYME said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I teach.

    Canadian curricular emphasis is to 'promote' (or encourage) abstinence.

    Birth control methods and risks are taught as well, but abstinence is an emphasis.
    Is there a disclaimer in the curricular that the emphasis is based upon the fact that abstinence is %100 effective and to leave it at that?
    I would think that as you say (encourage) can leave it open to much interpretation by the teacher as to how they impart this fact to students.

    Yea. My fundamental disagreement with the way Obama ran the country had absolutely nothing to do with his race. I don't hate him I just disagree. I was never against him, he was my president of for 8 years and I had hoped that he would do XYZ. But that didn't happen.
    I think he would be much better suited to work the toll booth on a bridge somewhere, and would probably be handing out the wrong change all the time. But I never hated the guy and my disregard for him had nothing to do with race. I ment to make my own comment not attached to any ones.
    Yea, umm sure. Your fundamental lack of understanding is exposing your hatred. It's okay though, you're still welcome here. And I think you confused Obama for Chris Christie. Try the meatloaf.

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  • rgambs
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    RYME said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I teach.

    Canadian curricular emphasis is to 'promote' (or encourage) abstinence.

    Birth control methods and risks are taught as well, but abstinence is an emphasis.
    Is there a disclaimer in the curricular that the emphasis is based upon the fact that abstinence is %100 effective and to leave it at that?
    I would think that as you say (encourage) can leave it open to much interpretation by the teacher as to how they impart this fact to students.

    Yea. My fundamental disagreement with the way Obama ran the country had absolutely nothing to do with his race. I don't hate him I just disagree. I was never against him, he was my president of for 8 years and I had hoped that he would do XYZ. But that didn't happen.
    I think he would be much better suited to work the toll booth on a bridge somewhere, and would probably be handing out the wrong change all the time. But I never hated the guy and my disregard for him had nothing to do with race. I ment to make my own comment not attached to any ones.
    Oh come on, a toll booth giving out the wrong change?
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  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    rgambs said:

    RYME said:

    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I teach.

    Canadian curricular emphasis is to 'promote' (or encourage) abstinence.

    Birth control methods and risks are taught as well, but abstinence is an emphasis.
    Is there a disclaimer in the curricular that the emphasis is based upon the fact that abstinence is %100 effective and to leave it at that?
    I would think that as you say (encourage) can leave it open to much interpretation by the teacher as to how they impart this fact to students.

    Yea. My fundamental disagreement with the way Obama ran the country had absolutely nothing to do with his race. I don't hate him I just disagree. I was never against him, he was my president of for 8 years and I had hoped that he would do XYZ. But that didn't happen.
    I think he would be much better suited to work the toll booth on a bridge somewhere, and would probably be handing out the wrong change all the time. But I never hated the guy and my disregard for him had nothing to do with race. I ment to make my own comment not attached to any ones.
    Oh come on, a toll booth giving out the wrong change?
    A Harvard university lawyer? I'd like to know what kind of mental giant you are to belittle him so casually, you must be quite the distinguished intellect!
    He did promise "change"
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    mace1229 said:

    I've worked at several schools and none of the taught abstinence. Maybe in the 80s they did, I don't know. Now most give out free condoms.
    I'm not sure where you're getting your information from, but premarital sex is very much accepted here, and a variety of methods of birth control are taught in public schools.

    I teach.

    Canadian curricular emphasis is to 'promote' (or encourage) abstinence.

    Birth control methods and risks are taught as well, but abstinence is an emphasis.
    Is there a disclaimer in the curricular that the emphasis is based upon the fact that abstinence is %100 effective and to leave it at that?
    I would think that as you say (encourage) can leave it open to much interpretation by the teacher as to how they impart this fact to students.

    That has been my experience. They will say abstinence is the only 100% method against pregnancy and STD, then that word is pretty much never said again. I wouldn't consider that teaching abstinence.
    And as far as how we got into this topic, more expensive birth control methods are usually only recccomended for long term relationships since they don't protect against STDs, so the defense "I prefer ____ but can't afford it" isn't a good one in my opinion. And if you are in one, the dude should be coughing up for half the cost. Which really isn't that expensive when you consider how much a one-time investment it is going to save you:
    The fathers are as much to blame when a mom winds up with 6 kids and can't even afford to take care of one, unfortunately they often don't suffer the consequnces of it though.

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