Has the Race Card/ Political Correctness gone too far ?
Comments
-
what? hadn't heard about this.cp3iverson said:The Walking Dead tshirt controversy is one case of PC gone too far. So society can't say "Eeny Meeny Miny Moe Catch a Tiger by the Toe" apparently.
Glad the stars of the show are slamming the people who were offendedBy The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
have you forgotten the free will of man ?HughFreakingDillon said:
you blather on and on about liberals and their apparent lack of ability to think critically........and then proceed to talk about the bible........oh, the irony.Godfather. said:
elaborate please.HughFreakingDillon said:
and about that "thinking for yourself" stuff..........Godfather. said:
this will be the only time I talk about my faith on here...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My editing skills are obviously slipping- I never noticed that small error on your part. Dammit.Godfather. said:
well my friend, that was as simple and as straight forward as I could get with your question, sorry I put 'be' rather than 'He' in my answer but you know my spelling issue is common knowledge around here. LOL !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Do I have to interpret his response to me by the formation of Cheerios in my cereal bowl? Or will I get a response that I don't have to contrive from my own imagination?Godfather. said:
of course be does but you should ask him yourself, seriously, ask him.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I don't really know what this is suggesting.Godfather. said:
you folks can't stand the truth when it interrupts your " poor abused black man" way of thinking, I think you all need some seriousHughFreakingDillon said:"maybe whitey had ambition to take field blues out of the fields". good god.
help....lessons in life that teach you to stop being pitiful self absorbed self described victims and learn to move forward with your thinking and emotions that you pretend to have and believe are so sensitive, you're not doing anybody any favors with your public display of pity.
GF... does God love black people as much as he loves white people?
Seriously.
With all due respect... given your comments to this point in time... my question to you is as follows: if you truly believe in God, then why are you so selective with your love for all of God's children? From what I understand, God loves and forgives all, but it seems as if you are a little hesitant to recognize the plight of many of your brothers and sisters.
Does God recognize countries and imaginary lines created by men? Or does he see humanity as a whole and every individual as part of the whole?
God recognizes and loves all his creations, you and I included even if you are a non believer and I am faaaaar from perfect, as far as countries and borders go ? I couldn't tell you what he thinks about them but according to the Bible he is very aware of borders and countries.
I am an atheist BECAUSE I learned to think for myself. FACT. believe what you will, but don't talk to others about not thinking for themselves when you blindly follow the teachings of the church.
0 -
no. as I live and breathe.Godfather. said:
have you forgotten the free will of man ?HughFreakingDillon said:
you blather on and on about liberals and their apparent lack of ability to think critically........and then proceed to talk about the bible........oh, the irony.Godfather. said:
elaborate please.HughFreakingDillon said:
and about that "thinking for yourself" stuff..........Godfather. said:
this will be the only time I talk about my faith on here...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My editing skills are obviously slipping- I never noticed that small error on your part. Dammit.Godfather. said:
well my friend, that was as simple and as straight forward as I could get with your question, sorry I put 'be' rather than 'He' in my answer but you know my spelling issue is common knowledge around here. LOL !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Do I have to interpret his response to me by the formation of Cheerios in my cereal bowl? Or will I get a response that I don't have to contrive from my own imagination?Godfather. said:
of course be does but you should ask him yourself, seriously, ask him.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I don't really know what this is suggesting.Godfather. said:
you folks can't stand the truth when it interrupts your " poor abused black man" way of thinking, I think you all need some seriousHughFreakingDillon said:"maybe whitey had ambition to take field blues out of the fields". good god.
help....lessons in life that teach you to stop being pitiful self absorbed self described victims and learn to move forward with your thinking and emotions that you pretend to have and believe are so sensitive, you're not doing anybody any favors with your public display of pity.
GF... does God love black people as much as he loves white people?
Seriously.
With all due respect... given your comments to this point in time... my question to you is as follows: if you truly believe in God, then why are you so selective with your love for all of God's children? From what I understand, God loves and forgives all, but it seems as if you are a little hesitant to recognize the plight of many of your brothers and sisters.
Does God recognize countries and imaginary lines created by men? Or does he see humanity as a whole and every individual as part of the whole?
God recognizes and loves all his creations, you and I included even if you are a non believer and I am faaaaar from perfect, as far as countries and borders go ? I couldn't tell you what he thinks about them but according to the Bible he is very aware of borders and countries.
I am an atheist BECAUSE I learned to think for myself. FACT. believe what you will, but don't talk to others about not thinking for themselves when you blindly follow the teachings of the church.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
what I always find amusing is how christians reconcile their desire to believe in free will, but when something bad happens, it's "god's plan".Godfather. said:
have you forgotten the free will of man ?HughFreakingDillon said:
you blather on and on about liberals and their apparent lack of ability to think critically........and then proceed to talk about the bible........oh, the irony.Godfather. said:
elaborate please.HughFreakingDillon said:
and about that "thinking for yourself" stuff..........Godfather. said:
this will be the only time I talk about my faith on here...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My editing skills are obviously slipping- I never noticed that small error on your part. Dammit.Godfather. said:
well my friend, that was as simple and as straight forward as I could get with your question, sorry I put 'be' rather than 'He' in my answer but you know my spelling issue is common knowledge around here. LOL !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Do I have to interpret his response to me by the formation of Cheerios in my cereal bowl? Or will I get a response that I don't have to contrive from my own imagination?Godfather. said:
of course be does but you should ask him yourself, seriously, ask him.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I don't really know what this is suggesting.Godfather. said:
you folks can't stand the truth when it interrupts your " poor abused black man" way of thinking, I think you all need some seriousHughFreakingDillon said:"maybe whitey had ambition to take field blues out of the fields". good god.
help....lessons in life that teach you to stop being pitiful self absorbed self described victims and learn to move forward with your thinking and emotions that you pretend to have and believe are so sensitive, you're not doing anybody any favors with your public display of pity.
GF... does God love black people as much as he loves white people?
Seriously.
With all due respect... given your comments to this point in time... my question to you is as follows: if you truly believe in God, then why are you so selective with your love for all of God's children? From what I understand, God loves and forgives all, but it seems as if you are a little hesitant to recognize the plight of many of your brothers and sisters.
Does God recognize countries and imaginary lines created by men? Or does he see humanity as a whole and every individual as part of the whole?
God recognizes and loves all his creations, you and I included even if you are a non believer and I am faaaaar from perfect, as far as countries and borders go ? I couldn't tell you what he thinks about them but according to the Bible he is very aware of borders and countries.
I am an atheist BECAUSE I learned to think for myself. FACT. believe what you will, but don't talk to others about not thinking for themselves when you blindly follow the teachings of the church.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Yup. It is very stupid. One lonely white dude in the UK got triggered, and suddenly this has become an issue.HughFreakingDillon said:
what? hadn't heard about this.cp3iverson said:The Walking Dead tshirt controversy is one case of PC gone too far. So society can't say "Eeny Meeny Miny Moe Catch a Tiger by the Toe" apparently.
Glad the stars of the show are slamming the people who were offended
http://ew.com/tv/2017/02/23/walking-dead-negan-t-shirt-controversy/"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
Very aware?Godfather. said:
this will be the only time I talk about my faith on here...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My editing skills are obviously slipping- I never noticed that small error on your part. Dammit.Godfather. said:
well my friend, that was as simple and as straight forward as I could get with your question, sorry I put 'be' rather than 'He' in my answer but you know my spelling issue is common knowledge around here. LOL !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Do I have to interpret his response to me by the formation of Cheerios in my cereal bowl? Or will I get a response that I don't have to contrive from my own imagination?Godfather. said:
of course be does but you should ask him yourself, seriously, ask him.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I don't really know what this is suggesting.Godfather. said:
you folks can't stand the truth when it interrupts your " poor abused black man" way of thinking, I think you all need some seriousHughFreakingDillon said:"maybe whitey had ambition to take field blues out of the fields". good god.
help....lessons in life that teach you to stop being pitiful self absorbed self described victims and learn to move forward with your thinking and emotions that you pretend to have and believe are so sensitive, you're not doing anybody any favors with your public display of pity.
GF... does God love black people as much as he loves white people?
Seriously.
With all due respect... given your comments to this point in time... my question to you is as follows: if you truly believe in God, then why are you so selective with your love for all of God's children? From what I understand, God loves and forgives all, but it seems as if you are a little hesitant to recognize the plight of many of your brothers and sisters.
Does God recognize countries and imaginary lines created by men? Or does he see humanity as a whole and every individual as part of the whole?
God recognizes and loves all his creations, you and I included even if you are a non believer and I am faaaaar from perfect, as far as countries and borders go ? I couldn't tell you what he thinks about them but according to the Bible he is very aware of borders and countries.
Meaning: concerning to him because they serve as dividers... or approving of them because they serve as dividers?
The lottery of life, man.
And you know what? My grandparents immigrated to Canada from Ukraine. They populated the prairies (Fosston, Saskatchewan) with other Ukranians and life wasn't easy. They lived in a one bedroom house having eight children. Social services took my father's baby sister. My grandfather died early.
Dad left home, fatherless, with nothing at the age of 12. He worked construction and worked hard making a life for my mother, sister and I. I don't know hardship, but my parents do. My grandparents made a sacrifice so that eventually their kids and grandchildren might lead a better life. Baba lived to 100. Died in Saskatoon about 7-8 years ago. I owe them so much.
Why tell this? I can relate to the 'work hard and make something of yourself' notion. I've seen it happen. The problem though is that I don't think the same opportunity exists for people these days. People born to the inner city... what chance do they have? What opportunities exist for them? If you're honest with yourself... you'd say "not many.""My brain's a good brain!"0 -
ennie mennie ......
I don't get it?0 -
there were racist lyrics in the US national anthem until they were changed or omitted entirely. I guess people should stop singing it then?jeffbr said:
Yup. It is very stupid. One lonely white dude in the UK got triggered, and suddenly this has become an issue.HughFreakingDillon said:
what? hadn't heard about this.cp3iverson said:The Walking Dead tshirt controversy is one case of PC gone too far. So society can't say "Eeny Meeny Miny Moe Catch a Tiger by the Toe" apparently.
Glad the stars of the show are slamming the people who were offended
http://ew.com/tv/2017/02/23/walking-dead-negan-t-shirt-controversy/
you are correct, this is very stupid.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
You don't get what?rssesq said:ennie mennie ......
I don't get it?
eeny meeny used to have a really terrible connotation as to what you were catching by the toe.
It was even sung on the playground while I was in elementary schoool- yes in Canada.
I don't see a problem with Tiger instead or any other non-racist word for that matter.
I don't hear kids singing the old version anymore at least not around me anyway.0 -
interesting story and worth the read, opportunity is out there but sometimes it needs to be found and clear choices in judgment and actionThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Very aware?Godfather. said:
this will be the only time I talk about my faith on here...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My editing skills are obviously slipping- I never noticed that small error on your part. Dammit.Godfather. said:
well my friend, that was as simple and as straight forward as I could get with your question, sorry I put 'be' rather than 'He' in my answer but you know my spelling issue is common knowledge around here. LOL !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Do I have to interpret his response to me by the formation of Cheerios in my cereal bowl? Or will I get a response that I don't have to contrive from my own imagination?Godfather. said:
of course be does but you should ask him yourself, seriously, ask him.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I don't really know what this is suggesting.Godfather. said:
you folks can't stand the truth when it interrupts your " poor abused black man" way of thinking, I think you all need some seriousHughFreakingDillon said:"maybe whitey had ambition to take field blues out of the fields". good god.
help....lessons in life that teach you to stop being pitiful self absorbed self described victims and learn to move forward with your thinking and emotions that you pretend to have and believe are so sensitive, you're not doing anybody any favors with your public display of pity.
GF... does God love black people as much as he loves white people?
Seriously.
With all due respect... given your comments to this point in time... my question to you is as follows: if you truly believe in God, then why are you so selective with your love for all of God's children? From what I understand, God loves and forgives all, but it seems as if you are a little hesitant to recognize the plight of many of your brothers and sisters.
Does God recognize countries and imaginary lines created by men? Or does he see humanity as a whole and every individual as part of the whole?
God recognizes and loves all his creations, you and I included even if you are a non believer and I am faaaaar from perfect, as far as countries and borders go ? I couldn't tell you what he thinks about them but according to the Bible he is very aware of borders and countries.
Meaning: concerning to him because they serve as dividers... or approving of them because they serve as dividers?
The lottery of life, man.
And you know what? My grandparents immigrated to Canada from Ukraine. They populated the prairies (Fosston, Saskatchewan) with other Ukranians and life wasn't easy. They lived in a one bedroom house having eight children. Social services took my father's baby sister. My grandfather died early.
Dad left home, fatherless, with nothing at the age of 12. He worked construction and worked hard making a life for my mother, sister and I. I don't know hardship, but my parents do. My grandparents made a sacrifice so that eventually their kids and grandchildren might lead a better life. Baba lived to 100. Died in Saskatoon about 7-8 years ago. I owe them so much.
Why tell this? I can relate to the 'work hard and make something of yourself' notion. I've seen it happen. The problem though is that I don't think the same opportunity exists for people these days. People born to the inner city... what chance do they have? What opportunities exist for them? If you're honest with yourself... you'd say "not many."
are the beginning of any level of success and what you are willing to work for, using blame and pointing fingers will not make your path to success shorter or easier nor will waiting for something to happen....make it happen, follow leads, make good choices and don't place blame for your misfortunes on anybody else.
0 -
Godfather, a few questions.Godfather. said:
interesting story and worth the read, opportunity is out there but sometimes it needs to be found and clear choices in judgment and actionThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Very aware?Godfather. said:
this will be the only time I talk about my faith on here...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My editing skills are obviously slipping- I never noticed that small error on your part. Dammit.Godfather. said:
well my friend, that was as simple and as straight forward as I could get with your question, sorry I put 'be' rather than 'He' in my answer but you know my spelling issue is common knowledge around here. LOL !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Do I have to interpret his response to me by the formation of Cheerios in my cereal bowl? Or will I get a response that I don't have to contrive from my own imagination?Godfather. said:
of course be does but you should ask him yourself, seriously, ask him.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I don't really know what this is suggesting.Godfather. said:
you folks can't stand the truth when it interrupts your " poor abused black man" way of thinking, I think you all need some seriousHughFreakingDillon said:"maybe whitey had ambition to take field blues out of the fields". good god.
help....lessons in life that teach you to stop being pitiful self absorbed self described victims and learn to move forward with your thinking and emotions that you pretend to have and believe are so sensitive, you're not doing anybody any favors with your public display of pity.
GF... does God love black people as much as he loves white people?
Seriously.
With all due respect... given your comments to this point in time... my question to you is as follows: if you truly believe in God, then why are you so selective with your love for all of God's children? From what I understand, God loves and forgives all, but it seems as if you are a little hesitant to recognize the plight of many of your brothers and sisters.
Does God recognize countries and imaginary lines created by men? Or does he see humanity as a whole and every individual as part of the whole?
God recognizes and loves all his creations, you and I included even if you are a non believer and I am faaaaar from perfect, as far as countries and borders go ? I couldn't tell you what he thinks about them but according to the Bible he is very aware of borders and countries.
Meaning: concerning to him because they serve as dividers... or approving of them because they serve as dividers?
The lottery of life, man.
And you know what? My grandparents immigrated to Canada from Ukraine. They populated the prairies (Fosston, Saskatchewan) with other Ukranians and life wasn't easy. They lived in a one bedroom house having eight children. Social services took my father's baby sister. My grandfather died early.
Dad left home, fatherless, with nothing at the age of 12. He worked construction and worked hard making a life for my mother, sister and I. I don't know hardship, but my parents do. My grandparents made a sacrifice so that eventually their kids and grandchildren might lead a better life. Baba lived to 100. Died in Saskatoon about 7-8 years ago. I owe them so much.
Why tell this? I can relate to the 'work hard and make something of yourself' notion. I've seen it happen. The problem though is that I don't think the same opportunity exists for people these days. People born to the inner city... what chance do they have? What opportunities exist for them? If you're honest with yourself... you'd say "not many."
are the beginning of any level of success and what you are willing to work for, using blame and pointing fingers will not make your path to success shorter or easier nor will waiting for something to happen....make it happen, follow leads, make good choices and don't place blame for your misfortunes on anybody else.
1. Do you believe that a developed nation like the US should aspire to ensure a basic degree of opportunity for all who are legal citizens of the country?
2. Do you believe that the US is providing a basic degree of opportunity to all legal American citizens sufficiently?
3. If you believe the US is providing a basic degree of opportunity sufficiently, what is that opinion based off?'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
EV
Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 10 -
Blame the lack of opportunity in inner cities on lack of family values, lack of father figures with single mothers, lack of personal responsibility, poor public education system, dependence on welfare system, drug addiction, crime, the false prestige of gangster drug money. Why do some people work hard to overcome obstacles and do well for themselves, while others do not??Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Very aware?Godfather. said:
this will be the only time I talk about my faith on here...Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
My editing skills are obviously slipping- I never noticed that small error on your part. Dammit.Godfather. said:
well my friend, that was as simple and as straight forward as I could get with your question, sorry I put 'be' rather than 'He' in my answer but you know my spelling issue is common knowledge around here. LOL !Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Do I have to interpret his response to me by the formation of Cheerios in my cereal bowl? Or will I get a response that I don't have to contrive from my own imagination?Godfather. said:
of course be does but you should ask him yourself, seriously, ask him.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I don't really know what this is suggesting.Godfather. said:
you folks can't stand the truth when it interrupts your " poor abused black man" way of thinking, I think you all need some seriousHughFreakingDillon said:"maybe whitey had ambition to take field blues out of the fields". good god.
help....lessons in life that teach you to stop being pitiful self absorbed self described victims and learn to move forward with your thinking and emotions that you pretend to have and believe are so sensitive, you're not doing anybody any favors with your public display of pity.
GF... does God love black people as much as he loves white people?
Seriously.
With all due respect... given your comments to this point in time... my question to you is as follows: if you truly believe in God, then why are you so selective with your love for all of God's children? From what I understand, God loves and forgives all, but it seems as if you are a little hesitant to recognize the plight of many of your brothers and sisters.
Does God recognize countries and imaginary lines created by men? Or does he see humanity as a whole and every individual as part of the whole?
God recognizes and loves all his creations, you and I included even if you are a non believer and I am faaaaar from perfect, as far as countries and borders go ? I couldn't tell you what he thinks about them but according to the Bible he is very aware of borders and countries.
Meaning: concerning to him because they serve as dividers... or approving of them because they serve as dividers?
The lottery of life, man.
And you know what? My grandparents immigrated to Canada from Ukraine. They populated the prairies (Fosston, Saskatchewan) with other Ukranians and life wasn't easy. They lived in a one bedroom house having eight children. Social services took my father's baby sister. My grandfather died early.
Dad left home, fatherless, with nothing at the age of 12. He worked construction and worked hard making a life for my mother, sister and I. I don't know hardship, but my parents do. My grandparents made a sacrifice so that eventually their kids and grandchildren might lead a better life. Baba lived to 100. Died in Saskatoon about 7-8 years ago. I owe them so much.
Why tell this? I can relate to the 'work hard and make something of yourself' notion. I've seen it happen. The problem though is that I don't think the same opportunity exists for people these days. People born to the inner city... what chance do they have? What opportunities exist for them? If you're honest with yourself... you'd say "not many."
Do you think continuing to blame white people, tax more, give more handouts, taking in more immigrants and refugees, and creating more government and more ineffective programs are gong to improve the situation???2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0 -
some people just don't understand, and apparently never will understand, just how truly difficult it is to overcome the circumstances that many were born into. working hard DOES NOT equal success. there are millions out there who work 100 times harder than any of us and still can't put clothes on their kids backs.
it has nothing to do with lack of family values. what does that even mean?
a guy I work with, when we were discussing his aboriginal racism, said to me "I have an aborigial friend on my hockey team, he came from the inner city, he was poor, no dad, etc, etc, but he got out and is successful. why can't the rest of them?". that is such a blatantly ignorant, but unfortunately prevalent, attitude. because 1 guy was able to beat the odds, millions of others should be able to mimic his success. sounds like white math to me.
and he's an accountant. he should know better.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Dude. I understand what you are saying. I never said that we ignore the problem that people are born into difficult life. I'm saying stop blaming everyone else for it. Change the ineffective programs. Making people dependent on government may not be the best motive to overcome the obstacles. How were you raised by your parents?? Did they teach you respect and responsibility?? Being punctual, honest, caring, etc. These would be the family values that are instilled with a strong family support. If you don't think this has any input into success of any individual, then you're crazy. We need to help people overcome the difficulties. There are plenty of people who can do better for themselves and do not take that advantage. If you don't agree with that then you must be completely biased.2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0
-
I agree with most of what you said here. but part of acknowledging the problem is taking responsibilty for it. and if no one takes responsibility for it? what then? people need closure. it's part of our make-up. telling a whole group of people to "get over it" isn't going to make things better. you have to acknowledge the past at the same time as moving towards the future. and one president saying "so sorry for the generations of kidnappings and slave labour and murder and rape-our bad!" is only a beginning.PP193448 said:Dude. I understand what you are saying. I never said that we ignore the problem that people are born into difficult life. I'm saying stop blaming everyone else for it. Change the ineffective programs. Making people dependent on government may not be the best motive to overcome the obstacles. How were you raised by your parents?? Did they teach you respect and responsibility?? Being punctual, honest, caring, etc. These would be the family values that are instilled with a strong family support. If you don't think this has any input into success of any individual, then you're crazy. We need to help people overcome the difficulties. There are plenty of people who can do better for themselves and do not take that advantage. If you don't agree with that then you must be completely biased.
you have to understand just how difficult it is for someone, anyone, to break the cycle that they were brought up in. of course my parents taught me respect and responsbility. but they weren't born into poverty and drugs and crime and violence and magically became that way on their own. they were like that because they were taught that, and their parents were taught that, and their parents before them.........if one of my ancestors were born into slavery or systematic government oppression, even genocide, not for one second do I believe that any part of my life would the same as it is now.
are some people looking for handouts and the easy road? yep. all groups have those people. but making it seem like the entire group is like that is where the problem lies, and where they get their backs up and some see it as blaming, and the cirlce continues, and around and around we go.
and it's not just the sins of the past. it would be one thing if it was actually over. but it's not. look at standing rock. what they are doing is fucking illegal. and the government doesn't give a shit, even Obama ignored it for too long, and now Trump is endorsing it. even if it was a matter of getting over it, which it isn't, but if it was, how do you get over something that is still ocurring?
black and hispanic people being harassed by police is another one. I cannot imagine living a life where you never know if some asshole, cop or civilian, is going to threaten your life or safety. ever been bullied? that's probably, on a small scale, what it feels like for them. THEIR ENTIRE LIVES. and we have people telling them to get over it and move on?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
A lot of it has to do with want and inner drive. Not everybody has that drive inside them to succeed. Not saying that that is the one and only reason and that it will always work out, but I think it's a major one player. I've got a good friend who grew up in the inner city with no dad. His story is similar to the one you mentioned, but he said his main goal was because he wanted something better. He didn't want to settle like so many of his neighborhood friends who took the easy road and just dealt drugs or skated by or turned to crime that you so often hear about. And yes, even if you work hard and bust your butt, it may not always work out. But a lot of it is up to the individual. If you want something bad enough, you can usually make it happen. If they are busting it and it's not paying off, make a change.HughFreakingDillon said:some people just don't understand, and apparently never will understand, just how truly difficult it is to overcome the circumstances that many were born into. working hard DOES NOT equal success. there are millions out there who work 100 times harder than any of us and still can't put clothes on their kids backs.
it has nothing to do with lack of family values. what does that even mean?
a guy I work with, when we were discussing his aboriginal racism, said to me "I have an aborigial friend on my hockey team, he came from the inner city, he was poor, no dad, etc, etc, but he got out and is successful. why can't the rest of them?". that is such a blatantly ignorant, but unfortunately prevalent, attitude. because 1 guy was able to beat the odds, millions of others should be able to mimic his success. sounds like white math to me.
and he's an accountant. he should know better.0 -
Agreed. Just like to look at both sides of the coin, and always appreciate common sense discussion from you and others on here.2006 Clev,Pitt; 2008 NY MSGx2; 2010 Columbus; 2012 Missoula; 2013 Phoenix,Vancouver,Seattle; 2014 Cincy; 2016 Lex, Wrigley 1&2; 2018 Wrigley 1&2; 2022 Louisville0
-
you make it sound so easy. there must be millions out there who just simply don't want to make a change and are perfectly happy with a shitty life. alright then.ponytd said:
A lot of it has to do with want and inner drive. Not everybody has that drive inside them to succeed. Not saying that that is the one and only reason and that it will always work out, but I think it's a major one player. I've got a good friend who grew up in the inner city with no dad. His story is similar to the one you mentioned, but he said his main goal was because he wanted something better. He didn't want to settle like so many of his neighborhood friends who took the easy road and just dealt drugs or skated by or turned to crime that you so often hear about. And yes, even if you work hard and bust your butt, it may not always work out. But a lot of it is up to the individual. If you want something bad enough, you can usually make it happen. If they are busting it and it's not paying off, make a change.HughFreakingDillon said:some people just don't understand, and apparently never will understand, just how truly difficult it is to overcome the circumstances that many were born into. working hard DOES NOT equal success. there are millions out there who work 100 times harder than any of us and still can't put clothes on their kids backs.
it has nothing to do with lack of family values. what does that even mean?
a guy I work with, when we were discussing his aboriginal racism, said to me "I have an aborigial friend on my hockey team, he came from the inner city, he was poor, no dad, etc, etc, but he got out and is successful. why can't the rest of them?". that is such a blatantly ignorant, but unfortunately prevalent, attitude. because 1 guy was able to beat the odds, millions of others should be able to mimic his success. sounds like white math to me.
and he's an accountant. he should know better.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Who here, being white, keeping everything the same about your life, job, house, etc., would like to wake up one morning and be black for a month?
09/15/1998 & 09/16/1998, Mansfield, MA; 08/29/00 08/30/00, Mansfield, MA; 07/02/03, 07/03/03, Mansfield, MA; 09/28/04, 09/29/04, Boston, MA; 09/22/05, Halifax, NS; 05/24/06, 05/25/06, Boston, MA; 07/22/06, 07/23/06, Gorge, WA; 06/27/2008, Hartford; 06/28/08, 06/30/08, Mansfield; 08/18/2009, O2, London, UK; 10/30/09, 10/31/09, Philadelphia, PA; 05/15/10, Hartford, CT; 05/17/10, Boston, MA; 05/20/10, 05/21/10, NY, NY; 06/22/10, Dublin, IRE; 06/23/10, Northern Ireland; 09/03/11, 09/04/11, Alpine Valley, WI; 09/11/11, 09/12/11, Toronto, Ont; 09/14/11, Ottawa, Ont; 09/15/11, Hamilton, Ont; 07/02/2012, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/04/2012 & 07/05/2012, Berlin, Germany; 07/07/2012, Stockholm, Sweden; 09/30/2012, Missoula, MT; 07/16/2013, London, Ont; 07/19/2013, Chicago, IL; 10/15/2013 & 10/16/2013, Worcester, MA; 10/21/2013 & 10/22/2013, Philadelphia, PA; 10/25/2013, Hartford, CT; 11/29/2013, Portland, OR; 11/30/2013, Spokane, WA; 12/04/2013, Vancouver, BC; 12/06/2013, Seattle, WA; 10/03/2014, St. Louis. MO; 10/22/2014, Denver, CO; 10/26/2015, New York, NY; 04/23/2016, New Orleans, LA; 04/28/2016 & 04/29/2016, Philadelphia, PA; 05/01/2016 & 05/02/2016, New York, NY; 05/08/2016, Ottawa, Ont.; 05/10/2016 & 05/12/2016, Toronto, Ont.; 08/05/2016 & 08/07/2016, Boston, MA; 08/20/2016 & 08/22/2016, Chicago, IL; 07/01/2018, Prague, Czech Republic; 07/03/2018, Krakow, Poland; 07/05/2018, Berlin, Germany; 09/02/2018 & 09/04/2018, Boston, MA; 09/08/2022, Toronto, Ont; 09/11/2022, New York, NY; 09/14/2022, Camden, NJ; 09/02/2023, St. Paul, MN; 05/04/2024 & 05/06/2024, Vancouver, BC; 05/10/2024, Portland, OR;
Libtardaplorable©. And proud of it.
Brilliantati©0 -
there's a few here whose eyes it might widen.Halifax2TheMax said:Who here, being white, keeping everything the same about your life, job, house, etc., would like to wake up one morning and be black for a month?
but no, I would not.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0
Categories
- All Categories
- 148.9K Pearl Jam's Music and Activism
- 110.1K The Porch
- 275 Vitalogy
- 35.1K Given To Fly (live)
- 3.5K Words and Music...Communication
- 39.2K Flea Market
- 39.2K Lost Dogs
- 58.7K Not Pearl Jam's Music
- 10.6K Musicians and Gearheads
- 29.1K Other Music
- 17.8K Poetry, Prose, Music & Art
- 1.1K The Art Wall
- 56.8K Non-Pearl Jam Discussion
- 22.2K A Moving Train
- 31.7K All Encompassing Trip
- 2.9K Technical Stuff and Help