Should Betsy DeVos be confirmed as Secretary of Education?
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Where and what do you teach?what dreams said:
Never said I didn't work with parents. I work with parents. Had a kid with obvious dyslexia -- parent knew the kid had dyslexia, I knew the kid had dyslexia. Guess what? The fucking school division/government doesn't recognize dyslexia as a learning disorder. So guess who stayed after school to work overtime helping the kid, with the parent's consent but also without the federal government's?Free said:
This. WTF. If you're not willing to work with parents or the law in regard to our children who need services? Then leave teaching because you're doing no one favors, but yourself.what dreams said:
Thanks for asking. I have mixed feelings.my2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I don't support the use of federal money for private vouchers without holding those private institutions accountable to the same federal mandates. Besides not liking billionaires who buy their Cabinet appointments, that's my only issue with her.
Overall I do agree with her in supporting local control of school decision making, even if that means the kids in Montana can bring their guns to school to kill grizzlies. Who am I to question from afar what they want for their kids and community? What the hell do we think the best private schools in America do? The best ones are the best because the teachers themselves write the curriculum, and they answer to their own board of directors in allocating their resources.
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile long
So, as with every other cabinet member, we'll just have to watch and see. Ironically, I've just about had it with public education myself, so when DeVos says it sucks -- she's right. I'm so sick of being told to do shit that at best, does not help students, and at worst, actually harms them. If we're lucky, she will shake things up for the better.
Fuck you and your judgmental bullshit. Don't you have a special needs child at home? Maybe you should get off the forum and tend to your own child.
I think I m in my fifteenth year teaching history.Post edited by mcgruff10 onI'll ride the wave where it takes me......0 -
You should he banned for your spelling lolGodfather. said:
ohhhh yea.....defiantly a banning offence, I've been banned for less.what dreams said:
Never said I didn't work with parents. I work with parents. Had a kid with obvious dyslexia -- parent knew the kid had dyslexia, I knew the kid had dyslexia. Guess what? The fucking school division/government doesn't recognize dyslexia as a learning disorder. So guess who stayed after school to work overtime helping the kid, with the parent's consent but also without the federal government's?Free said:
This. WTF. If you're not willing to work with parents or the law in regard to our children who need services? Then leave teaching because you're doing no one favors, but yourself.what dreams said:
Thanks for asking. I have mixed feelings.my2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I don't support the use of federal money for private vouchers without holding those private institutions accountable to the same federal mandates. Besides not liking billionaires who buy their Cabinet appointments, that's my only issue with her.
Overall I do agree with her in supporting local control of school decision making, even if that means the kids in Montana can bring their guns to school to kill grizzlies. Who am I to question from afar what they want for their kids and community? What the hell do we think the best private schools in America do? The best ones are the best because the teachers themselves write the curriculum, and they answer to their own board of directors in allocating their resources.
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile long
So, as with every other cabinet member, we'll just have to watch and see. Ironically, I've just about had it with public education myself, so when DeVos says it sucks -- she's right. I'm so sick of being told to do shit that at best, does not help students, and at worst, actually harms them. If we're lucky, she will shake things up for the better.
Fuck you and your judgmental bullshit. Don't you have a special needs child at home? Maybe you should get off the forum and tend to your own child.0 -
HAYYYYYYY, I resemble that remark ! LOL !!!!my2hands said:
You should he banned for your spelling lolGodfather. said:
ohhhh yea.....defiantly a banning offence, I've been banned for less.what dreams said:
Never said I didn't work with parents. I work with parents. Had a kid with obvious dyslexia -- parent knew the kid had dyslexia, I knew the kid had dyslexia. Guess what? The fucking school division/government doesn't recognize dyslexia as a learning disorder. So guess who stayed after school to work overtime helping the kid, with the parent's consent but also without the federal government's?Free said:
This. WTF. If you're not willing to work with parents or the law in regard to our children who need services? Then leave teaching because you're doing no one favors, but yourself.what dreams said:
Thanks for asking. I have mixed feelings.my2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I don't support the use of federal money for private vouchers without holding those private institutions accountable to the same federal mandates. Besides not liking billionaires who buy their Cabinet appointments, that's my only issue with her.
Overall I do agree with her in supporting local control of school decision making, even if that means the kids in Montana can bring their guns to school to kill grizzlies. Who am I to question from afar what they want for their kids and community? What the hell do we think the best private schools in America do? The best ones are the best because the teachers themselves write the curriculum, and they answer to their own board of directors in allocating their resources.
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile long
So, as with every other cabinet member, we'll just have to watch and see. Ironically, I've just about had it with public education myself, so when DeVos says it sucks -- she's right. I'm so sick of being told to do shit that at best, does not help students, and at worst, actually harms them. If we're lucky, she will shake things up for the better.
Fuck you and your judgmental bullshit. Don't you have a special needs child at home? Maybe you should get off the forum and tend to your own child.
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American school kids became more stupid under the Obama administration, according to rankings released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
They recently released the results of a worldwide exam administered every three years to 15-year-olds in 72 countries. The exam monitors reading, math and science knowledge.
Based on their findings, the United States saw an 11-point drop in math scores and nearly flat levels for reading and science.
The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, fell below the OECD average – and failed to crack the top ten in all three categories.
In other words, thanks to the Obama administration’s education policies, kids in the Slovac Republic are more proficient in multiplication.
In fairness, American teenagers may not know long form division - but by golly they know their non-binary gender pronouns. Yes sir, they do!
But you can't blame the kids for being dumb as rocks.
Instead of aspiring to greatness, public schools across the fruited plain are programming kids to be mediocre.
It doesn't matter if Little Johnny thinks five plus four is 12.
Modern-day classrooms are safe spaces where everybody’s a winner – everybody gets a gold star.
There's just one problem with that philosophy. When Little Johnny becomes Big Johnny he's going to be living off the taxpayer dime.
And good luck making change down at the Piggly Wiggly.
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"american kids became more stupid...."Godfather. said:American school kids became more stupid under the Obama administration, according to rankings released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
They recently released the results of a worldwide exam administered every three years to 15-year-olds in 72 countries. The exam monitors reading, math and science knowledge.
Based on their findings, the United States saw an 11-point drop in math scores and nearly flat levels for reading and science.
The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, fell below the OECD average – and failed to crack the top ten in all three categories.
In other words, thanks to the Obama administration’s education policies, kids in the Slovac Republic are more proficient in multiplication.
In fairness, American teenagers may not know long form division - but by golly they know their non-binary gender pronouns. Yes sir, they do!
But you can't blame the kids for being dumb as rocks.
Instead of aspiring to greatness, public schools across the fruited plain are programming kids to be mediocre.
It doesn't matter if Little Johnny thinks five plus four is 12.
Modern-day classrooms are safe spaces where everybody’s a winner – everybody gets a gold star.
There's just one problem with that philosophy. When Little Johnny becomes Big Johnny he's going to be living off the taxpayer dime.
And good luck making change down at the Piggly Wiggly.
seriously? there's a reason you don't post your sources. just garbage.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Well, thankfully we have Betty DeVos now who has an immense understanding and history of the public school system and the obstacles in its way, the interests of the children at heart, and the hands-on experience to make change.Godfather. said:American school kids became more stupid under the Obama administration, according to rankings released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
They recently released the results of a worldwide exam administered every three years to 15-year-olds in 72 countries. The exam monitors reading, math and science knowledge.
Based on their findings, the United States saw an 11-point drop in math scores and nearly flat levels for reading and science.
The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, fell below the OECD average – and failed to crack the top ten in all three categories.
In other words, thanks to the Obama administration’s education policies, kids in the Slovac Republic are more proficient in multiplication.
In fairness, American teenagers may not know long form division - but by golly they know their non-binary gender pronouns. Yes sir, they do!
But you can't blame the kids for being dumb as rocks.
Instead of aspiring to greatness, public schools across the fruited plain are programming kids to be mediocre.
It doesn't matter if Little Johnny thinks five plus four is 12.
Modern-day classrooms are safe spaces where everybody’s a winner – everybody gets a gold star.
There's just one problem with that philosophy. When Little Johnny becomes Big Johnny he's going to be living off the taxpayer dime.
And good luck making change down at the Piggly Wiggly.
For those of you curious about the raw data, I tried to embed the OECD results below - and extended them as far back as I could, if we're under the impression that an administration is the only variable in determining the successful education of today's youth.
OECD Chart: Mathematics performance (PISA), Total, Mean score, Annual, 2003 – 2015
OECD Chart: Science performance (PISA), Total, Mean score, Annual, 2006 – 2015
You also forgot to attribute this eloquence to its original source, so I did it for you.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/02/09/americas-kids-got-more-stupid-in-reading-math-and-science-while-team-obama-was-in-charge.html
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Betsy DeVos Orders Immediate Flattening Of All School Globes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-schlarmann/betsy-devos-orders-immediate-flattening-of-all-school-globes_b_14639376.html
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Betsy DeVos Orders Immediate Flattening Of All School Globes
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/james-schlarmann/betsy-devos-orders-immediate-flattening-of-all-school-globes_b_14639376.html
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boy you folks can't stand to admit defeat in the face of constant loss. not that I am worried about Betsy one way or another but you guy's are really digging into this one like your opinion really matters to the world LOL ! I thought that kind of behavior is frowned upon here ?0
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Your behavior is frowned upon here. The only people that keep bringing up who won or lost the election is you right wing nut jobs. We're just trying to make sure the world doesn't go to shit in the meantime with what we're given.Godfather. said:boy you folks can't stand to admit defeat in the face of constant loss. not that I am worried about Betsy one way or another but you guy's are really digging into this one like your opinion really matters to the world LOL ! I thought that kind of behavior is frowned upon here ?
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The program didn't work. Not rocket science. It was a grand experiment. So DeVos is all of a sudden going to find a way to fix things? She knows nothing about education man. She's one of Trumps billionaire buddies. That's it.Godfather. said:American school kids became more stupid under the Obama administration, according to rankings released by the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development.
They recently released the results of a worldwide exam administered every three years to 15-year-olds in 72 countries. The exam monitors reading, math and science knowledge.
Based on their findings, the United States saw an 11-point drop in math scores and nearly flat levels for reading and science.
The Land of the Free, Home of the Brave, fell below the OECD average – and failed to crack the top ten in all three categories.
In other words, thanks to the Obama administration’s education policies, kids in the Slovac Republic are more proficient in multiplication.
In fairness, American teenagers may not know long form division - but by golly they know their non-binary gender pronouns. Yes sir, they do!
But you can't blame the kids for being dumb as rocks.
Instead of aspiring to greatness, public schools across the fruited plain are programming kids to be mediocre.
It doesn't matter if Little Johnny thinks five plus four is 12.
Modern-day classrooms are safe spaces where everybody’s a winner – everybody gets a gold star.
There's just one problem with that philosophy. When Little Johnny becomes Big Johnny he's going to be living off the taxpayer dime.
And good luck making change down at the Piggly Wiggly.www.cluthelee.com0 -
how does it feel to be on the wrong side of history?Godfather. said:boy you folks can't stand to admit defeat in the face of constant loss. not that I am worried about Betsy one way or another but you guy's are really digging into this one like your opinion really matters to the world LOL ! I thought that kind of behavior is frowned upon here ?
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so if we're serious, we need to lighten up. when we lighten up, we're crybabies.Godfather. said:boy you folks can't stand to admit defeat in the face of constant loss. not that I am worried about Betsy one way or another but you guy's are really digging into this one like your opinion really matters to the world LOL ! I thought that kind of behavior is frowned upon here ?
if our opinion didn't matter to the world, Pence wouldn't have had to swoop in and save the vote for her. This is the world you live in now, and you need to accept it, as much as we accept that these things don't always go our way. people are done just laying down and waiting for the next election.
everyone has admitted to defeat in that election cycle. but this not a race with an end. it's fluid. the fight is constant, for the rights of our children, our climate, our brothers and sisters facing prejudice, and innocent people caught up in chaos around the world who simply want a safe place to raise their children in peace. and yes, I'm canadian, and I have this opinion, and I'm fully allowed to voice it because I care about all people, people I know that live there (including family), people around the world that have to feel the wrath of this administration
did you just lay back and say nothing the past 8 years? of course you didn't. did ANYONE tell you to stop whining and accept the election result? NOPE. did you expect every liberal to just say "ok, see you in 4 years"?
don't be scared of us, GF. we mean you no harm. you have nothing to fear.
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*standing ovation*HughFreakingDillon said:
so if we're serious, we need to lighten up. when we lighten up, we're crybabies.Godfather. said:boy you folks can't stand to admit defeat in the face of constant loss. not that I am worried about Betsy one way or another but you guy's are really digging into this one like your opinion really matters to the world LOL ! I thought that kind of behavior is frowned upon here ?
if our opinion didn't matter to the world, Pence wouldn't have had to swoop in and save the vote for her. This is the world you live in now, and you need to accept it, as much as we accept that these things don't always go our way. people are done just laying down and waiting for the next election.
everyone has admitted to defeat in that election cycle. but this not a race with an end. it's fluid. the fight is constant, for the rights of our children, our climate, our brothers and sisters facing prejudice, and innocent people caught up in chaos around the world who simply want a safe place to raise their children in peace. and yes, I'm canadian, and I have this opinion, and I'm fully allowed to voice it because I care about all people, people I know that live there (including family), people around the world that have to feel the wrath of this administration
did you just lay back and say nothing the past 8 years? of course you didn't. did ANYONE tell you to stop whining and accept the election result? NOPE. did you expect every liberal to just say "ok, see you in 4 years"?
don't be scared of us, GF. we mean you no harm. you have nothing to fear.
remember, love trumps hate.
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Nogreat post, Hugh.I LOVE MUSIC.
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Hey (wo)man?, I'm glad we can discuss this like adults.what dreams said:
Dude, everytime I go to my sped department, they send me back and say "you haven't done your job." IDEA got an overhaul in 2004 -- in large part due to the over-diagnosis of minorities and students in poverty -- and since then, it's been a nightmare to get kids extra help from special ed. To even start the special ed process now, I have to document every single time I wipe a child''s ass for him. I don't have time for the paperwork, and they don't want to see the kids on their docket. It's fucked.a5pj said:
Well, not to get into a huge debate about special ed and it's effectiveness, but not referring students who you believe have a disability is going directly against child find. You could easily be opening yourself up to a lawsuit. You may be keeping the student from getting accommodations and protections that they need to learn and grow at the same rate as other "normal" students. There's a lot more to it than just going to see a special ed teacher, which I hope you know.what dreams said:
As for all the IDEA hysteria -- talk about gross over-regulation paralyzing the productivity of the workforce-- translate -- keeping good teachers from helping kids. Honestly, I don't even refer kids to special ed anymore. If I suspect a kid has a learning disability, I help the kid on my own and leave the fucking federal government out of it. I haven't seen a single special educator do anything special that I can't do myself to help an LD child learn. IDEA is a joke in so many ways, but I'll leave it there. I don't want my post to be mile longmy2hands said:I know there are some people in here that work in the education field, I know at least 1 is a teacher. First I would like to thank you, you are appreciated.
What ate your thoughts on Devos?
I think it's awesome you are going above and beyond to help students who you think might have a disability, most don't, I wish more would. But it might be worth having a discussion with your school psychologist or director of special ed about your process.
I deal with this every day from the sp ed side of it. And many teachers I work with feel the same way. I agree with you on IDEA and over diagnosis, but that's an issue above both our pay grades.
As for "documenting every single time you wipe a child's ass", I understand your frustrations, but there are a few points to this:
1. Many teachers just want "bad" or "difficult" students out of their class. So they don't have time to fill out paperwork that documents and shows what they did or didn't do.
2. I'm sure you know of RTI / MTSS / Child Study. Interventions should be done before jumping to sp ed, which requires documentation and progress monitoring to show growth (or lack of). In medicine you take pills or do therapy before jumping to surgery right?
3. I agree the paperwork for RTI can be lengthy. I recently shortened my schools from 10 to 2 pages (still have teachers refusing to do it). But it's there to make sure there aren't other issues. Example poor attendance is not sp ed.
As for kids on their docket, not sure if you mean sp ed caseloads or kids to be tested. But you know educators are overworked and underpaid. In my position: don't waste my time bringing me kids with straight A's to test. And show me what you've tried before saying a kid needs special education. I don't have time to test every kid in the school. Teachers observations are important but I work on data. I already have a full caseload of students with severe disabilities to attend to. This is not saying I won't test a student that needs it.
Another thing (which is I believe where you fall). You sound like a good teacher. Your students make progress and growth, disability or not. If the same student was with another teacher they'd probably need more help. So you probably get stuck with tougher kids (nice reward for being good right?) Happened to my Mom who was a teacher all the time, she got AU kids who with anyone else would need more AU support, but she worked hard for them and they grew. From a sp ed perspective that perfect Least Restrictive Environment and what's best for the student, but it's tough on the teacher. And the teacher should get more support then.
Side note, dyslexia isn't a specific disability classification, but it is covered under a Specific Learning Disability in Reading if they are struggling.Wouldn't it be funny if the world ended in 2010, with lots of fire?0 -
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