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  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,127
    How can anyone hate a 96 show?
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    mcgruff10 said:

    How can anyone hate a 96 show?

    The reviewer clearly doesn't really care for Pearl Jam lol

    I have to say though, he hit uncomfortably close to the truth with his comments on Lukin, Habit, and Mankind.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Like the effective boycott on Starbucks currently going on.
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    Mankind clearly illustrated some tension within the band. I'm guessing certain members were not happy with the content of the album as a whole.
  • mcgruff10
    mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 29,127
    rgambs said:

    mcgruff10 said:

    How can anyone hate a 96 show?

    The reviewer clearly doesn't really care for Pearl Jam lol

    I have to say though, he hit uncomfortably close to the truth with his comments on Lukin, Habit, and Mankind.
    The pearlies....that s worse than "the jamily".
    and you are right...mankind, habit and lukin did fall flat back in the day.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Like the effective boycott on Starbucks currently going on.
    I don't think I said a word about specific boycotts - like any effort, some will succeed, others will fail. Also, it's pretty short-sighted to judge the efficacy of a boycott on the results of a few weeks.
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  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Fair enough. Do you think that boycotting Ivanka brand would exert pressure and produce the sort of change we would be looking for? I don't, so that's two knocks against that plan in my books.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2017
    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Like the effective boycott on Starbucks currently going on.
    I don't think I said a word about specific boycotts - like any effort, some will succeed, others will fail. Also, it's pretty short-sighted to judge the efficacy of a boycott on the results of a few weeks.
    No, you misread! The Starbucks boycott has been quite effective. No sarcasm intended. Boycotts can work if you get enough people on board, as seen with Starbucks and Chipotle. This "boycott all American goods" doesn't seem to have enough heat to burn, though.
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Like the effective boycott on Starbucks currently going on.
    I don't think I said a word about specific boycotts - like any effort, some will succeed, others will fail. Also, it's pretty short-sighted to judge the efficacy of a boycott on the results of a few weeks.
    No, you misread! The Starbucks boycott has been quite effective. No sarcasm intended. Boycotts can work if you get enough people on board, as seen with Starbucks and Chipotle. This "boycott all American goods" doesn't seem to have enough heat to burn, though.
    Very effective

    Starbucks has become a target of Trump-loving conservatives — and that's great news for the brand

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/starbucks-become-target-trump-loving-041224969.html
  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited February 2017
    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Like the effective boycott on Starbucks currently going on.
    I don't think I said a word about specific boycotts - like any effort, some will succeed, others will fail. Also, it's pretty short-sighted to judge the efficacy of a boycott on the results of a few weeks.
    No, you misread! The Starbucks boycott has been quite effective. No sarcasm intended. Boycotts can work if you get enough people on board, as seen with Starbucks and Chipotle. This "boycott all American goods" doesn't seem to have enough heat to burn, though.
    Very effective

    Starbucks has become a target of Trump-loving conservatives — and that's great news for the brand

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/starbucks-become-target-trump-loving-041224969.html
    What a great example of an in depth story about consumerism....but you are right, it probably does not have enough heat to burn such a massive corporation. On the bright side, small veteran owned coffee businesses are also seeing a surge in consumerism due to the boycott, which greatly effects them in a positive way.
    I was a Starbucks drinker, but these guys now have my respect and business:
    http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/veteran-owned-black-rifle-coffee-company-stands-up-for-small-businesses-and-america-while-disgusted-by-starbucks-propaganda-300402198.html
    Post edited by PJPOWER on
  • benjs
    benjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,379
    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Like the effective boycott on Starbucks currently going on.
    I don't think I said a word about specific boycotts - like any effort, some will succeed, others will fail. Also, it's pretty short-sighted to judge the efficacy of a boycott on the results of a few weeks.
    No, you misread! The Starbucks boycott has been quite effective. No sarcasm intended. Boycotts can work if you get enough people on board, as seen with Starbucks and Chipotle. This "boycott all American goods" doesn't seem to have enough heat to burn, though.
    My sincere apologies, PJPOWER! Completely misread that - how terrible is it that I assumed sarcasm on here instead of an honest opinion.

    And oftenreading - regarding boycotting Ivanka Trump's brand: if Ivanka Trump was any other fashion designer with financial ties to Trump, I'd say a boycott would be ineffective. With Ivanka, Trump's daughter, it's different. First, it's an attack on family, and I'll give him the benefit of the doubt and say he probably loves his family and wants them to succeed. Next, a narcissist like Trump would likely consider his offspring to be more of an extension of himself. This would mean that an attack on their ability to be successful entrepreneurs would be an attack on his own. Whether the financial ramifications are small or large about this, appealing to Trump's sensitivity and emotionality is probably a wise approach.
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    EV
    Toronto Film Festival 9/11/2007, '08 - Toronto 1 & 2, '09 - Albany 1, '11 - Chicago 1
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    I had a Starbuck's coffee this weekend. Good!
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    jeffbr said:

    I had a Starbuck's coffee this weekend. Good!

    I was once a diehard Starbucks drinker and there were not many other drive through quality coffee choices around here. There are now a few local businesses that serve better tasting coffee for less $. I was still buying their brand online, but have since switched to a veteran owned/supporting brand. It actually seems like fresher, higher quality stuff too.
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    PJPOWER said:

    jeffbr said:

    I had a Starbuck's coffee this weekend. Good!

    I was once a diehard Starbucks drinker and there were not many other drive through quality coffee choices around here. There are now a few local businesses that serve better tasting coffee for less $. I was still buying their brand online, but have since switched to a veteran owned/supporting brand. It actually seems like fresher, higher quality stuff too.
    I'm not a coffee drinker. I do like that Starbucks helps fund further education for its employees, but yes, there definitely are companies out there providing better coffee.
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  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,431
    dignin said:

    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    PJPOWER said:

    benjs said:

    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    One thing I will say about boycotts is that they weren't designed to be fair - they were designed to exert pressure and produce change. The whole premise is to expedite pressure by making a population feel the weight of the actions of its administration.
    Like the effective boycott on Starbucks currently going on.
    I don't think I said a word about specific boycotts - like any effort, some will succeed, others will fail. Also, it's pretty short-sighted to judge the efficacy of a boycott on the results of a few weeks.
    No, you misread! The Starbucks boycott has been quite effective. No sarcasm intended. Boycotts can work if you get enough people on board, as seen with Starbucks and Chipotle. This "boycott all American goods" doesn't seem to have enough heat to burn, though.
    Very effective

    Starbucks has become a target of Trump-loving conservatives — and that's great news for the brand

    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/starbucks-become-target-trump-loving-041224969.html
    It's a win-win for coffee shops big and small.

    For small shops they get more business from conservative boycotters.

    For Starbucks they get more money from people supporting their anti-trump stance.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    edited February 2017
    oftenreading said:

    vaggar99 said:

    question..is it fair to boycott Ivanka brands?

    You can boycott whatever your conscience tells you to boycott. I was never going to buy Ivanka brand clothing anyway so it makes no difference; however, I don't hold her responsible for Donald and his actions.
    Maybe you should, at least a little. It's not like she has no say and no place in Trump's political activities. She is known to advise him closely, and her husband is his WH advisor. She's not just sitting on the sidelines, a hapless victims of her father's bullshit, like Barron Trump is, or even like his wife is (which is crazy, since she's supposed to be the fucking First Lady). Ivanka is quite directly involved in all this.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Buying from Starbucks is foolish anyways, who spends that kind of money on coffee?

    And then people have the balls to bitch about the economy, gas prices, or taxes lol.
    People are just dumb.
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  • PP193448
    PP193448 Here Posts: 4,282
    rgambs said:

    Buying from Starbucks is foolish anyways, who spends that kind of money on coffee?

    And then people have the balls to bitch about the economy, gas prices, or taxes lol.
    People are just dumb.

    You could say that about cigarettes more so... plus our premiums and taxes go to pay for the complications of smoking. That's what's really fucking ridiculous.
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  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    PP193448 said:

    rgambs said:

    Buying from Starbucks is foolish anyways, who spends that kind of money on coffee?

    And then people have the balls to bitch about the economy, gas prices, or taxes lol.
    People are just dumb.

    You could say that about cigarettes more so... plus our premiums and taxes go to pay for the complications of smoking. That's what's really fucking ridiculous.
    Cigarettes are even worse, but thankfully use is in decline. Societal acceptance, and even encouragement of caffeine means coffee won't be going anywhere.
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