1st Women's March January 21, 2017. 3rd Women's March January 19, 2019

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm pro choice for sure, but there needs to be a matter of timeliness to an abortion procedure.

Scraping out some goo is a far cry from removing a nearly developed human being with a developed or semi developed nervous system.

Agreed. But there are many that believe that a fetus is not alive until pulled out of a vagina...Science shows us that fetuses can feel pain, show emotion, etc...and as they say...you can't argue with science!

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm pro choice for sure, but there needs to be a matter of timeliness to an abortion procedure.

Scraping out some goo is a far cry from removing a nearly developed human being with a developed or semi developed nervous system.

Agreed. But there are many that believe that a fetus is not alive until pulled out of a vagina...Science shows us that fetuses can feel pain, show emotion, etc...and as they say...you can't argue with science!

So you want to have laws that are already in place. Thanks. What was the point of you bringing this up?

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

I'm pro choice for sure, but there needs to be a matter of timeliness to an abortion procedure.

Scraping out some goo is a far cry from removing a nearly developed human being with a developed or semi developed nervous system.

Agreed. But there are many that believe that a fetus is not alive until pulled out of a vagina...Science shows us that fetuses can feel pain, show emotion, etc...and as they say...you can't argue with science!

There's all sorts out there. Not all have it figured out very good.

Go Beavers said:

I'm glad people agree on timelines around abortions, because that aligns with the reality that there is timelines around abortions.

LOL

Go Beavers said:

I'm glad people agree on timelines around abortions, because that aligns with the reality that there is timelines around abortions.

Well duh.

Canada funds abortions up to 23 weeks in some provinces and some clinics offer late term abortion services.

According to Statistics Canada, 491 babies were born alive between 2000 and 2009 following an abortion, only to die shortly after. This means, once fully separated from their mothers, they were either breathing or had a beating heart. Other “signs of life” include “pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached.”

This is too late in my opinion. Much too late. I'm all for women's rights, but be somewhat responsible: know ahead of time where you are at with regards to an accidental pregnancy and move forward with the procedure so an infant isn't gasping its dying breaths on a stainless steel table.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/abortion-in-canada-breaking-down-the-law-policies-and-practices

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

I'm glad people agree on timelines around abortions, because that aligns with the reality that there is timelines around abortions.

Well duh.

Canada funds abortions up to 23 weeks in some provinces and some clinics offer late term abortion services.

According to Statistics Canada, 491 babies were born alive between 2000 and 2009 following an abortion, only to die shortly after. This means, once fully separated from their mothers, they were either breathing or had a beating heart. Other “signs of life” include “pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached.”

This is too late in my opinion. Much too late. I'm all for women's rights, but be somewhat responsible: know ahead of time where you are at with regards to an accidental pregnancy and move forward with the procedure so an infant isn't gasping its dying breaths on a stainless steel table.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/abortion-in-canada-breaking-down-the-law-policies-and-practices

gross. my nephew was born at 24 weeks and survived (barely). he was a fully formed human, albeit very small, but a living, breathing human nonetheless. 23 weeks is too late. I don't know what the cutoff should be, but to me that seems way too late.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

I'm glad people agree on timelines around abortions, because that aligns with the reality that there is timelines around abortions.

Well duh.

Canada funds abortions up to 23 weeks in some provinces and some clinics offer late term abortion services.

According to Statistics Canada, 491 babies were born alive between 2000 and 2009 following an abortion, only to die shortly after. This means, once fully separated from their mothers, they were either breathing or had a beating heart. Other “signs of life” include “pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached.”

This is too late in my opinion. Much too late. I'm all for women's rights, but be somewhat responsible: know ahead of time where you are at with regards to an accidental pregnancy and move forward with the procedure so an infant isn't gasping its dying breaths on a stainless steel table.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/abortion-in-canada-breaking-down-the-law-policies-and-practices

gross. my nephew was born at 24 weeks and survived (barely). he was a fully formed human, albeit very small, but a living, breathing human nonetheless. 23 weeks is too late. I don't know what the cutoff should be, but to me that seems way too late.

How's your nephew fared since?

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

I'm glad people agree on timelines around abortions, because that aligns with the reality that there is timelines around abortions.

Well duh.

Canada funds abortions up to 23 weeks in some provinces and some clinics offer late term abortion services.

According to Statistics Canada, 491 babies were born alive between 2000 and 2009 following an abortion, only to die shortly after. This means, once fully separated from their mothers, they were either breathing or had a beating heart. Other “signs of life” include “pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached.”

This is too late in my opinion. Much too late. I'm all for women's rights, but be somewhat responsible: know ahead of time where you are at with regards to an accidental pregnancy and move forward with the procedure so an infant isn't gasping its dying breaths on a stainless steel table.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/abortion-in-canada-breaking-down-the-law-policies-and-practices

The age of viability is pretty universally agreed to be 24 weeks gestation. Even with extraordinary measures, it is nearly impossible to keep a fetus alive outside of the womb before that, beating heart or not. I helped deliver a pregnant woman who was in premature labor at 23 weeks. The infant did not survive. Amniocentesis for genetic testing is usually done between 15 and 20 weeks, and results may take a few days to up to 4 weeks.

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Go Beavers said:

I'm glad people agree on timelines around abortions, because that aligns with the reality that there is timelines around abortions.

Well duh.

Canada funds abortions up to 23 weeks in some provinces and some clinics offer late term abortion services.

According to Statistics Canada, 491 babies were born alive between 2000 and 2009 following an abortion, only to die shortly after. This means, once fully separated from their mothers, they were either breathing or had a beating heart. Other “signs of life” include “pulsation of the umbilical cord or definite movement of voluntary muscles, whether or not the umbilical cord has been cut or the placenta is attached.”

This is too late in my opinion. Much too late. I'm all for women's rights, but be somewhat responsible: know ahead of time where you are at with regards to an accidental pregnancy and move forward with the procedure so an infant isn't gasping its dying breaths on a stainless steel table.

http://o.canada.com/news/national/abortion-in-canada-breaking-down-the-law-policies-and-practices

gross. my nephew was born at 24 weeks and survived (barely). he was a fully formed human, albeit very small, but a living, breathing human nonetheless. 23 weeks is too late. I don't know what the cutoff should be, but to me that seems way too late.

How's your nephew fared since?

he had some learning issues at first, and he walks with his heels in the air (not enough time in the womb for his leg muslces to stretch out and develop properly), but he's a perfectly normal, functional 18 year old kid now.

That's awesome. We have a family member who delivered at 26 weeks. He is probably a little older than your nephew and is also doing fine.

dignin said:

23 weeks not viable, 24 weeks possible. Settled in law and science so it sounds about right to me. But carry on men, you decide when is a good time for you to take control over a womans body. I'm not gonna do it.

I am pro-choice. But I would have to do a LOT more research to form an informed opinion on the timeline I think should be followed. I am just stating from my experience, that back in 1998 they gave my nephew about a 3% chance of survival. he was in the hospital for 3 months and no one could go in to his ICU except my brother and his wife. I didn't meet my nephew until he was 12 weeks old.

we were told at the time he was one of the earliest born babies to ever survive in my province. I'm sure that needle has moved earlier in the past 18 years.