Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Trump's national security adviser is reportedly being investigated for his communications with Russia

    http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-trump-security-adviser-probed-for-russia-links-report-2017-1

    From the WSJ
    "It isn't clear when the counter intelligence began, produced any incriminating evidence or if it is continuing"
    Because it's an active investigation by 5 different law enforcement/national security agencies and they're not going to pull a Comey. Treasury's financial crimes unit included. Trump is hiding something, including maybe having put the kabosh on this investigation. Follow the money.
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  • JC29856
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Trump's national security adviser is reportedly being investigated for his communications with Russia

    http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-trump-security-adviser-probed-for-russia-links-report-2017-1

    From the WSJ
    "It isn't clear when the counter intelligence began, produced any incriminating evidence or if it is continuing"
    Because it's an active investigation by 5 different law enforcement/national security agencies and they're not going to pull a Comey. Treasury's financial crimes unit included. Trump is hiding something, including maybe having put the kabosh on this investigation. Follow the money.
    You should consider providing your sources about the active investigation to the WSJ so they can update and correct the article. I'm guessing WSJ has more "reach" then your posts here.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    JC29856 said:

    dignin said:

    Trump's national security adviser is reportedly being investigated for his communications with Russia

    http://www.businessinsider.com/afp-trump-security-adviser-probed-for-russia-links-report-2017-1

    From the WSJ
    "It isn't clear when the counter intelligence began, produced any incriminating evidence or if it is continuing"
    Because it's an active investigation by 5 different law enforcement/national security agencies and they're not going to pull a Comey. Treasury's financial crimes unit included. Trump is hiding something, including maybe having put the kabosh on this investigation. Follow the money.
    You should consider providing your sources about the active investigation to the WSJ so they can update and correct the article. I'm guessing WSJ has more "reach" then your posts here.
    Keep guessing.
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  • JC29856
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    www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

    Nothing here either, Flynn cleared. Maybe the other active investigations will turn something up.
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:

    www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

    Nothing here either, Flynn cleared. Maybe the other active investigations will turn something up.

    You consider the WP a reliable source for news?
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  • mrussel1
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    JC29856 said:

    www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

    Nothing here either, Flynn cleared. Maybe the other active investigations will turn something up.

    You consider the WP a reliable source for news?
    I do...
  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    mrussel1 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    JC29856 said:

    www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

    Nothing here either, Flynn cleared. Maybe the other active investigations will turn something up.

    You consider the WP a reliable source for news?
    I do...
    I think Halifax was pointing out someones hypocrisy.
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 31,024
    dignin said:

    mrussel1 said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    JC29856 said:

    www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

    Nothing here either, Flynn cleared. Maybe the other active investigations will turn something up.

    You consider the WP a reliable source for news?
    I do...
    I think Halifax was pointing out someones hypocrisy.
    Oh. Ok.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Coming to the California "textbooks"
    How the Kremlin hand picked our president.

    http://asmdc.org/members/a10/newsroom/press-releases/assemblymember-levine-announces-bill-about-russian-interference-in-presidential-election
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Interesting read... Hersch explains the intelligence report as a belief vs facts.
    You can compare it to trumps belief that 3.5 million people voted illegally. He is not stating a fact, based on evidence, he is stating his belief.

    https://theintercept.com/2017/01/25/seymour-hersh-blasts-media-for-uncritically-promoting-russian-hacking-story/
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:

    Coming to the California "textbooks"
    How the Kremlin hand picked our president.

    http://asmdc.org/members/a10/newsroom/press-releases/assemblymember-levine-announces-bill-about-russian-interference-in-presidential-election

    Texas, as the largest purchaser of textbooks, controls the content of said textbooks. Russian interference in Trump's election will nary get a mention. But a whole section will be devoted to Comet Pizza and fake news.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited January 2017
    http://observer.com/2017/01/russian-election-hacking-coverage-largely-false/

    Example after example after example of those quick to exploit Russian hacking narrative.

    “With respect to the alleged interference by Russia and WikiLeaks in the U.S election, it is a major mystery why U.S. intelligence feels it must rely on ‘circumstantial evidence,’ when it has NSA’s vacuum cleaner sucking up hard evidence galore,” wrote NSA Whistleblower, Bill Binney, a 36-year veteran at the agency who designed the monitoring program, ThinThread, that was used for a mass surveillance program on American citizens and foreign leaders that Edward Snowden later exposed with Ray McGovern, a 27-year CIA Veteran Analyst, for CounterPunch. Binney and McGovern also noted that former Director of National Intelligence, James Clapper, in addition to committing perjury in a congressional hearing, oversaw analysis of satellite imagery at the National Imagery and Mapping Agency that helped fabricate the lie that WMDs existed in Iraq in order to provide a reason for the U.S. to invade. “Because NSA can trace exactly where and how any ‘hacked’ emails from the Democratic National Committee or other servers were routed through the network, it is puzzling why NSA cannot produce hard evidence implicating the Russian government and WikiLeaks.” During Obama’s last press conference, he acknowledged that he didn’t have conclusive evidence as to what Wikileaks’ role was in the hacks aside from releasing the emails.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    Congressman: Info In Classified CIA Doc Would Cause Election Do-Over In Other Countries
    “Almost all of this will slowly come out as more investigations happen,” the rep said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-pocan-cia-docs_us_58864a54e4b096b4a2338991
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    dignin said:

    Congressman: Info In Classified CIA Doc Would Cause Election Do-Over In Other Countries
    “Almost all of this will slowly come out as more investigations happen,” the rep said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-pocan-cia-docs_us_58864a54e4b096b4a2338991

    I've heard of this as well from a couple other members of Congress. I give them credit for sticking to their duty to keep it confidential. That has to be hard when you see day in and day out what Trump is saying.
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  • dignin
    dignin Posts: 9,478
    ledvedderman said:

    dignin said:

    Congressman: Info In Classified CIA Doc Would Cause Election Do-Over In Other Countries
    “Almost all of this will slowly come out as more investigations happen,” the rep said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-pocan-cia-docs_us_58864a54e4b096b4a2338991

    I've heard of this as well from a couple other members of Congress. I give them credit for sticking to their duty to keep it confidential. That has to be hard when you see day in and day out what Trump is saying.
    Hopefully it will come out sooner than later.
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    dignin said:

    ledvedderman said:

    dignin said:

    Congressman: Info In Classified CIA Doc Would Cause Election Do-Over In Other Countries
    “Almost all of this will slowly come out as more investigations happen,” the rep said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-pocan-cia-docs_us_58864a54e4b096b4a2338991

    I've heard of this as well from a couple other members of Congress. I give them credit for sticking to their duty to keep it confidential. That has to be hard when you see day in and day out what Trump is saying.
    Hopefully it will come out sooner than later.
    Sounds birthery
  • oceaninmyeyes
    oceaninmyeyes Posts: 4,646
    edited January 2017
    According to Rachel Maddow the man was at an FSB meeting last month, when armed guards came in threw a bag over his head and carried him away. He hasnt been heard from since. Now charged with treason. I wonder what kind of secrets he was giving away. :pensive::smirk:
    usatoday.com/story/news/2017/01/26/report-arrested-russian-intel-officer-allegedly-spied-us/97094696/
    https://nytimes.com/2017/01/25/world/europe/sergei-mikhailov-russian-cybercrimes-agent-arrested.html?_r=0
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  • what dreams
    what dreams Posts: 1,761
    JC29856 said:

    www.washingtonpost.com/amphtml/world/national-security/fbi-reviewed-flynns-calls-with-russian-ambassador-but-found-nothing-illicit/2017/01/23/aa83879a-e1ae-11e6-a547-5fb9411d332c_story.html

    Nothing here either, Flynn cleared. Maybe the other active investigations will turn something up.

    Exactly. Like the FBI found nothing on Clinton. Remember that?
  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818

    There is enough evidence to convince many in our intelligence community and gov't that as a result of Russia's involvement in the election, Trump's presidency is illegitimate and / or compromised.

    So as a result, the president is going to investigate the American people for voter fraud.

    Makes sense in Trump's America.




    Does this sound 'birthery' too? Is this this more 'phony outrage'?
  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    ledvedderman said:

    dignin said:

    Congressman: Info In Classified CIA Doc Would Cause Election Do-Over In Other Countries
    “Almost all of this will slowly come out as more investigations happen,” the rep said.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/mark-pocan-cia-docs_us_58864a54e4b096b4a2338991

    I've heard of this as well from a couple other members of Congress. I give them credit for sticking to their duty to keep it confidential. That has to be hard when you see day in and day out what Trump is saying.
    sounds like it goes beyond the DNC hack/Wikileaks/fake news. Can you see vote tampering?

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