1st Women's March January 21, 2017. 3rd Women's March January 19, 2019

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So was this a woman's march or a pro-abortion march? I know many woman that believe abortion is morally wrong. Just seeking clarification... I'm all for women marching in support of anti-materialization and what not...I'm not in support of a pro-abortion march being sold as a women's rights march... seems a little oppressive those women that morally object to abortions...

They're marching in support of women making reproductive decisions for themselves rather than having old men make those decisions for them. Freedom and self-determination. And that wasn't the only reason they marched. That was just one aspect that you are focused on. Here is the list: https://www.womensmarch.com/principles/

So it was not a "Women's Rights" march...it was a "pro-choice" march hidden behind a "woman's rights" flag. Why were women that are pro life, yet against the sexual objectification of women turned away??? Is that not just objectification in a different form? Seems like the statement to a large portion was "if you are pro life, you are not invited to the women's club".

Point to me where they were turned away?

Here is a good write up of the point I'm trying to convey.
http://www.dailywire.com/news/12471/womens-march-washington-excludes-pro-life-hank-berrien

That article is from before the march and is addressing that they didn't allow an organization to be a partner because they were pro-life. Considering they were focused on women having a right to choose as part of their platform, they wouldn't have a group pro-life sponsoring them. Pretty sure the American Cancer Society doesn't allow big tobacco to sponsor or partner in events, but they won't turn away those in that group if they show up to an event. Big difference. No marchers were turned away for their beliefs.

They may not have been physically turned away, but most definitely was a tone that the march was not for pro-life women.

Let's just label it a different way: The march was not for anti-choice people. Boom.

Exactly...I guess it just had a bad name. I would rather see a women's rights movement that invites all women with all stances in an act of feministic solidarity. It's unfortunate that this was not that. Might have had even larger if a turnout/message being sent.

I saw the march as absolutely an act of solidarity. You seemed focused on the new conservative trend: trying to use bad logic in an attempt to catch liberals being hypocritical, but then failing, rather than focus on what's going on with trump and his administration.

An act of solidarity for women that are pro choice and do not vote republican not an act of solidarity for all women. How would this be any different than a pro-life group of women starting a "Women's Rights" march and saying "but if you are okay with abortions you are not invited". Way to generalize conservatives and also women for that matter...I thought you were above that nonsense.

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so if you're pro choice but anti government funding of abortions, do you march or just watch on TV???

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Does anyone know what rights they think he'll take away? I didn't vote for him by the way. I really want to know. I'm having a hard time comprehending why this would be happening in day two???? Everyone seems to be jumping for joy about it.

The right not to have their pussies grabbed without permission.

If ANY person at the protest today supported Hillary, they were ok with a woman who's husband got a blowjob from an intern and lied about it. Billy Clinton was a bigger woman abuser than trump and you best not support a woman who was ok sharing her bed for years and years with him. Hypocrites.

This is a great point. Well said

Ok, so if that's the case

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You had no idea that Madonna was going to be part of the march?

Celebrities weren't the reason I went. I remembered that Katy Perry was going.

What specific reason was it that you went? What were you protesting for exactly.

Reproductive freedom.

Understanding that.
Where have these historic crowds been since they clearly were not at the voting booth?

what part of 2.9 million LESS votes dont you get? Precedent Trump received 2.9 frwer votes than Clinton.

What part don't you get that President Trump won with those numbers?

Trolling prettyl hardcore today PJfan. Don't let the karma bite you back.

That was very fox newish with the way you quoted me to fit your purpose.

Sorry @mcgruff10. Accidental. Didn't mean to include that. Sometimes hard to catch those on my phone display. My disdain lies with PJfans trolling.

Why is it trolling to question what is going on and to give your opinion.

Because his opinion is wrong time and time again. But you're drunk on kool aid so you defend him of course.

I did have a couple of drinks last night but not kool aid. I only drink Eddie kool aid. I don't know who that is or care. I'm not defending them. I'm just saying everyone has a right to their opinion and it's not wrong just because it doesn't match yours. it's an opinion. For me I believe trolling is when someone pops in and makes personal attacks on someone or some groups etc.

This didn't come out sounding how I meant it. It sounded mean. I read a lot of the posts and it seemed like they were more asking questions. I don't know who pjfan is but they have a right to their opinion just as you do. They aren't wrong just because they don't agree with you. That's their belief they have a right to just as you have a right to yours. otherwise, we might be living like the radicals are living, killing one another and the innocent people who don't believe as they believe. I am pro life. I believe that people should use birth control but not use abortions as a form a birth control. If the Mothers life is truly in danger then that would be up to the mother and doctors to decide what happens. I think its great that people came together to march but maybe it would have been better to wait and see what happens. The people that were demonstrating, breaking windows and vandalizing on the day of the inauguration are only harming their cause. I listened to Trumps full speech today. It sounded promising, although they all sound promising. We'll see.

What was promising? To me it was fear based, nationalistic, and divisive. And aren't you anti-abortion, instead of pro-life?

It didn't sound fear based or divisive. He wants to bring us all together. I think our country should take care of our country as other countries take care of their countries. Should we help other countries only and let our country continue to decline? He talked about putting people to work so they aren't on welfare which I'm sure will be a great thing for those people. They will start feeling better about themselves. I hope he builds rail lines across this country which create jobs for people. Look at Europe and how much better their transportation is than ours. We are America. We should be by far ahead.

How is our country in decline?

I'll just say I could go on and on..because there is no way you can't see that.

I'm anti abortion not anti birth control. If a pregnancy can be stopped before it begins, I'm all for it.

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So was this a woman's march or a pro-abortion march? I know many woman that believe abortion is morally wrong. Just seeking clarification... I'm all for women marching in support of anti-materialization and what not...I'm not in support of a pro-abortion march being sold as a women's rights march... seems a little oppressive those women that morally object to abortions...

They're marching in support of women making reproductive decisions for themselves rather than having old men make those decisions for them. Freedom and self-determination. And that wasn't the only reason they marched. That was just one aspect that you are focused on. Here is the list: https://www.womensmarch.com/principles/

https://twitter.com/MartinBelam/status/823637000783798272

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No, it was not a "pro-abortion" march -- or a pro-choice march. Planned Parenthood was a sponsor, yes. So was the ACLU. So was 350.org.

Yes, there were plenty of pro-choice women (I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortion;" I wonder if that term ever is used by a woman who has been pregnant). But women's issues go well beyond the right to choose. Many of us were spurred into action by the "pussy grabbing" tape. On a fundamental level, we would like to be treated as fully-realized humans, not as objects or property. We would like equal pay for equal work. We would like to be judged on our achievements, not on our appearance. But marchers around me carried signs for the BLM movement, environmental issues, concern about Russia's role in the election, and LGBTQ+ rights. My computer now sports a "Make America Gay Again" sticker courtesy of another marcher.

The key word here is "intersectionality." People were united by their collective concerns about how policies implemented by the new administration might affect them, their loved ones, and the planet.

And, yes, I read stories about how pro-life feminists felt unwelcome at the march. I would like to think that we all can respect the fact that being pro-life is a choice in itself. If Planned Parenthood leaders told pro-life groups that they were not welcome, I feel that was the wrong decision to make.

But abortion is such a hot-button issue that it obfuscates or diverts attention from the more general issue of a woman's right to have access to healthcare and to have autonomous control of her own body. Planned Parenthood offers a lot more than abortions. However you feel about abortion, making it the focus of one's energy and attention instead of, oh, making sure that everyone has access to basic healthcare, sex education, and contraceptives, thereby lowering the number of unplanned and high-risk pregnancies, just doesn't make sense to me. If you want to eliminate abortions, why not work to eliminate the need for them?

You are the first person here to actually spell this out eloquently and participate with a non-assumption filled message. And that is what is lacking these days. I stated no stance on any of the issues, but only offered an outsider's perspective on the march for debate purposes. I agree with everything you said and you actually reaffirmed my point that all of these other women's rights issues were overshadowed by the abortion issue. Again, my perspective was that of irony in that there was this great march with a million people participating to send a message as to how women should not be marginalized based on their reproductive organs and the focus on reproductive organs overshadowed all of the other women's rights issues. I don't know if people were trying to offend people into believing the way that they do or what, but it does not seem like the message was very clearly conveyed to those that need it conveyed to them. The end all message was "we are a bunch of liberal women and we do not like trump". That's probably because the media chose to focus on that, but once again we have some loudmouth celebrities trying to speak for a large group of people that do not fully align with their beliefs. Anyways, once again, thanks for the respectful comment and I think I'm pretty much done throwing gasoline on this fire

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No, it was not a "pro-abortion" march -- or a pro-choice march. Planned Parenthood was a sponsor, yes. So was the ACLU. So was 350.org.

Yes, there were plenty of pro-choice women (I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortion;" I wonder if that term ever is used by a woman who has been pregnant). But women's issues go well beyond the right to choose. Many of us were spurred into action by the "pussy grabbing" tape. On a fundamental level, we would like to be treated as fully-realized humans, not as objects or property. We would like equal pay for equal work. We would like to be judged on our achievements, not on our appearance. But marchers around me carried signs for the BLM movement, environmental issues, concern about Russia's role in the election, and LGBTQ+ rights. My computer now sports a "Make America Gay Again" sticker courtesy of another marcher.

The key word here is "intersectionality." People were united by their collective concerns about how policies implemented by the new administration might affect them, their loved ones, and the planet.

And, yes, I read stories about how pro-life feminists felt unwelcome at the march. I would like to think that we all can respect the fact that being pro-life is a choice in itself. If Planned Parenthood leaders told pro-life groups that they were not welcome, I feel that was the wrong decision to make.

But abortion is such a hot-button issue that it obfuscates or diverts attention from the more general issue of a woman's right to have access to healthcare and to have autonomous control of her own body. Planned Parenthood offers a lot more than abortions. However you feel about abortion, making it the focus of one's energy and attention instead of, oh, making sure that everyone has access to basic healthcare, sex education, and contraceptives, thereby lowering the number of unplanned and high-risk pregnancies, just doesn't make sense to me. If you want to eliminate abortions, why not work to eliminate the need for them?

You are the first person here to actually spell this out eloquently and participate with a non-assumption filled message. And that is what is lacking these days. I stated no stance on any of the issues, but only offered an outsider's perspective on the march for debate purposes. I agree with everything you said and you actually reaffirmed my point that all of these other women's rights issues were overshadowed by the abortion issue. Again, my perspective was that of irony in that there was this great march with a million people participating to send a message as to how women should not be marginalized based on their reproductive organs and the focus on reproductive organs overshadowed all of the other women's rights issues. I don't know if people were trying to offend people into believing the way that they do or what, but it does not seem like the message was very clearly conveyed to those that need it conveyed to them. The end all message was "we are a bunch of liberal women and we do not like trump". That's probably because the media chose to focus on that, but once again we have some loudmouth celebrities trying to speak for a large group of people that do not fully align with their beliefs. Anyways, once again, thanks for the respectful comment and I think I'm pretty much done throwing gasoline on this fire

lol you were bothered by the march .. it's easier if you just come to terms with the fact that a really big portion of American citizens don't agree with your assessment of what the march stood for !

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PJPOWER said:

curmudgeoness said:

No, it was not a "pro-abortion" march -- or a pro-choice march. Planned Parenthood was a sponsor, yes. So was the ACLU. So was 350.org.

Yes, there were plenty of pro-choice women (I don't know anyone who is "pro-abortion;" I wonder if that term ever is used by a woman who has been pregnant). But women's issues go well beyond the right to choose. Many of us were spurred into action by the "pussy grabbing" tape. On a fundamental level, we would like to be treated as fully-realized humans, not as objects or property. We would like equal pay for equal work. We would like to be judged on our achievements, not on our appearance. But marchers around me carried signs for the BLM movement, environmental issues, concern about Russia's role in the election, and LGBTQ+ rights. My computer now sports a "Make America Gay Again" sticker courtesy of another marcher.

The key word here is "intersectionality." People were united by their collective concerns about how policies implemented by the new administration might affect them, their loved ones, and the planet.

And, yes, I read stories about how pro-life feminists felt unwelcome at the march. I would like to think that we all can respect the fact that being pro-life is a choice in itself. If Planned Parenthood leaders told pro-life groups that they were not welcome, I feel that was the wrong decision to make.

But abortion is such a hot-button issue that it obfuscates or diverts attention from the more general issue of a woman's right to have access to healthcare and to have autonomous control of her own body. Planned Parenthood offers a lot more than abortions. However you feel about abortion, making it the focus of one's energy and attention instead of, oh, making sure that everyone has access to basic healthcare, sex education, and contraceptives, thereby lowering the number of unplanned and high-risk pregnancies, just doesn't make sense to me. If you want to eliminate abortions, why not work to eliminate the need for them?

You are the first person here to actually spell this out eloquently and participate with a non-assumption filled message. And that is what is lacking these days. I stated no stance on any of the issues, but only offered an outsider's perspective on the march for debate purposes. I agree with everything you said and you actually reaffirmed my point that all of these other women's rights issues were overshadowed by the abortion issue. Again, my perspective was that of irony in that there was this great march with a million people participating to send a message as to how women should not be marginalized based on their reproductive organs and the focus on reproductive organs overshadowed all of the other women's rights issues. I don't know if people were trying to offend people into believing the way that they do or what, but it does not seem like the message was very clearly conveyed to those that need it conveyed to them. The end all message was "we are a bunch of liberal women and we do not like trump". That's probably because the media chose to focus on that, but once again we have some loudmouth celebrities trying to speak for a large group of people that do not fully align with their beliefs. Anyways, once again, thanks for the respectful comment and I think I'm pretty much done throwing gasoline on this fire

While curmudgeoness had a kick-ass post, you sir, have every ability to research The topic on the Internet and find out what the March meant to so many different people, not just women, who participated. Any march is symbolism for unrest. ...but I guess you needed one of us on a band forum to tell you that.

And Beavers - you live in a bubble.