Syria and the US's Motive

JC29856 said:

Video of a women (alleged Syrian journalist) asking John "Country First: take me to a hospital and I'll give you military information" McCain about his support of arming rebels in Syria. As he looks down, she says we cannot turn Syria into Iraq.

https://streamable.com/h86xd

You are the king of the asshole smear. What have you ever done to contribute to your country that is even a fraction of John McCain?

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Video of a women (alleged Syrian journalist) asking John "Country First: take me to a hospital and I'll give you military information" McCain about his support of arming rebels in Syria. As he looks down, she says we cannot turn Syria into Iraq.

https://streamable.com/h86xd

You are the king of the asshole smear. What have you ever done to contribute to your country that is even a fraction of John McCain?

it's so sad how americans defend guys who wear or have wore camo ... no wonder, the continued fucking over other parts of the world proceeds unabated from anyone at home ...

i don't know JC personally ... but I do John McCain to be another establishment shill willing to wage war in foreign lands for the sake of profiteering ...

Read the smear... you want to criticize him for his work as a Senator, then I have no problem with that. But JC is calling him a pussy and a traitor.

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Video of a women (alleged Syrian journalist) asking John "Country First: take me to a hospital and I'll give you military information" McCain about his support of arming rebels in Syria. As he looks down, she says we cannot turn Syria into Iraq.

https://streamable.com/h86xd

You are the king of the asshole smear. What have you ever done to contribute to your country that is even a fraction of John McCain?

it's so sad how americans defend guys who wear or have wore camo ... no wonder, the continued fucking over other parts of the world proceeds unabated from anyone at home ...

i don't know JC personally ... but I do John McCain to be another establishment shill willing to wage war in foreign lands for the sake of profiteering ...

Read the smear... you want to criticize him for his work as a Senator, then I have no problem with that. But JC is calling him a pussy and a traitor.

why is that so offensive to you!? ... what makes him worth defending!? ... how do you rationalize the fact you spend more energy defending him than actually addressing the issue the video talks about!? ... what about the continued efforts to destabilize and fuck over syria by your US elected representatives? ... you're up in arms over some smear on a guy who is a war hawk ... war hawks are the last people on earth that should be stood up for ... they are the ultimate assholes ...

Well first, I don't click on any videos or links from JC (see the pedophilia thread for that reasoning). Second, most of my family served, two were captured and tortured. So I have a soft spot for people who put their lives on the line for ours and pay the price. I say this regardless of the war pigs who constructed the purpose of the war. For example WWII was absolutely necessary whereas Korea and Vietnam were based on a completely faulty strategic theory (I say this nicely). So yeah, I have a problem with JC who.. btw I have no idea why he lives in this country... disparages a soldier, a pilot, who was shot down and tortured. It has nothing to do with McCain's time as a Senator. I hope that is clear.

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

polaris_x said:

mrussel1 said:

JC29856 said:

Video of a women (alleged Syrian journalist) asking John "Country First: take me to a hospital and I'll give you military information" McCain about his support of arming rebels in Syria. As he looks down, she says we cannot turn Syria into Iraq.

https://streamable.com/h86xd

You are the king of the asshole smear. What have you ever done to contribute to your country that is even a fraction of John McCain?

it's so sad how americans defend guys who wear or have wore camo ... no wonder, the continued fucking over other parts of the world proceeds unabated from anyone at home ...

i don't know JC personally ... but I do John McCain to be another establishment shill willing to wage war in foreign lands for the sake of profiteering ...

Read the smear... you want to criticize him for his work as a Senator, then I have no problem with that. But JC is calling him a pussy and a traitor.

why is that so offensive to you!? ... what makes him worth defending!? ... how do you rationalize the fact you spend more energy defending him than actually addressing the issue the video talks about!? ... what about the continued efforts to destabilize and fuck over syria by your US elected representatives? ... you're up in arms over some smear on a guy who is a war hawk ... war hawks are the last people on earth that should be stood up for ... they are the ultimate assholes ...

Well first, I don't click on any videos or links from JC (see the pedophilia thread for that reasoning). Second, most of my family served, two were captured and tortured. So I have a soft spot for people who put their lives on the line for ours and pay the price. I say this regardless of the war pigs who constructed the purpose of the war. For example WWII was absolutely necessary whereas Korea and Vietnam were based on a completely faulty strategic theory (I say this nicely). So yeah, I have a problem with JC who.. btw I have no idea why he lives in this country... disparages a soldier, a pilot, who was shot down and tortured. It has nothing to do with McCain's time as a Senator. I hope that is clear.

so ... someone who served in the military automatically deserves to be stood up for regardless of his/her actions after!? ... do you have a sore spot for those who have been captured and tortured by your own country? ... do you care about the innocent lives your country is ruining!? ...

in any case - sounds like its a personal spat between the two of ya ... i'm more just frustrated that the atrocities committed by americans continues to be brushed off and ignored ...

Whatever. Go hate America on a non American board. I'm sure you'll have plenty of support. Not sure why you continue to support the capitalistic pig dogs that make money on your every visit to this page and every PJ merch that you buy. Live your convictions.

Drowned Out said:

So you disagree..,,and your knee jerk is to tell the person to leave...I expect that of a true blue blooded nationalist righty, mr russel....seems even sillier when you can't say 'you dun like 'murica, then git the hell out!', because you know Polaris is Canadian. Instead you'd have him boycott the message board of an anti-war American band in protest. Cmon.

I admit I don't know much about his time in the military, his capture, and release...but...Considering how readily he supports sending American boys to the same (or worse) fates...and how readily he supports actions that will destroy an exponentially greater number of foreign lives.... I am 100% comfortable in saying FUCK JOHN MCCAIN. And fuck the US's colonial imperialism, and the yellow ribbon nationalism that enables it.

I had no idea of the nationality of Polaris but being Canadian makes it even more hypocritical considering Canada's ongoing support of US policy objectives and the fact that the wars we deal with today were at least partially enabled by Versailles which Canada signed. But I guess if I go to Rush's forum or maybe Tragically Hip or even Nickelback, I'll see you two relentlessly criticize your government and say Canada is far worse than Russia. I'm sure of it.

You can say Fuck McCain all you want if it makes you feel better or stronger. No worries. But as I said I'm drawing a distinction between his time as service man and his time as a Senator. It's not a difficult concept.

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

So you disagree..,,and your knee jerk is to tell the person to leave...I expect that of a true blue blooded nationalist righty, mr russel....seems even sillier when you can't say 'you dun like 'murica, then git the hell out!', because you know Polaris is Canadian. Instead you'd have him boycott the message board of an anti-war American band in protest. Cmon.

I admit I don't know much about his time in the military, his capture, and release...but...Considering how readily he supports sending American boys to the same (or worse) fates...and how readily he supports actions that will destroy an exponentially greater number of foreign lives.... I am 100% comfortable in saying FUCK JOHN MCCAIN. And fuck the US's colonial imperialism, and the yellow ribbon nationalism that enables it.

I had no idea of the nationality of Polaris but being Canadian makes it even more hypocritical considering Canada's ongoing support of US policy objectives and the fact that the wars we deal with today were at least partially enabled by Versailles which Canada signed. But I guess if I go to Rush's forum or maybe Tragically Hip or even Nickelback, I'll see you two relentlessly criticize your government and say Canada is far worse than Russia. I'm sure of it.

You can say Fuck McCain all you want if it makes you feel better or stronger. No worries. But as I said I'm drawing a distinction between his time as service man and his time as a Senator. It's not a difficult concept.

More of the same. Seriously, telling us to go away accomplishes nothing except to associate you with the yokels telling people to leave if they don’t like murica. At least you didn’t start spouting about the military and our freedoms this time. We already hashed out the Versailles shit like two weeks ago in the Policy dishonesty and hypocrisy thread – so this is another weak attempt to deflect blame for imperialist policy in the here and now, by mentioning a treaty that is ¾ of a century removed from revision. I’ll remind you (again) that I am fully aware that Canada supports these policies. I don’t think I’m overstepping in saying that polaris would agree that the Canadian government needs to distance ourselves from US wars of aggression and covert (and open) regime change operations…and that both of us openly call for this from our government. I have been posting the same opinions on this board (under this name and one before it) for over 15 years (polaris has been here as long as I can remember, with similarly consistent opinions), and have ALWAYS acknowledged Canada’s role in these actions – often being careful to use distinctions like NATO or ‘the west’ when necessary, because I don’t want to foster resentment among anti-war activists to the south by being a hypocrite. I’m sorry, not sorry if it hurts your sensitivities when I’m a little more acute. Would it change US policy if we backed out of NATO and publicly stood against US actions? Of course not. Does that mean we can’t criticize the US? We obviously don’t care how you answer that - we are consistent and fully aware of the world order, who calls the shots, and whose policy needs to change.
Saying fuck Mccain doesn’t have anything to do with feeling stronger or better. It has everything to do with opposing a war mongering asshole who should be back in a foreign cell for a multitude of reasons – most recently for entering countries covertly to negotiate with terrorists. I understand your distinction and I'm saying it makes zero difference in my opinion him.
If you don’t like hearing that, maybe you should go back to eastern Ukraine to live your convictions in support of the Bandera-nazis from Svoboda. (see how stupid that sounds?)

Drowned Out said:

BS44325 said:

Drowned Out said:

So you disagree..,,and your knee jerk is to tell the person to leave...I expect that of a true blue blooded nationalist righty, mr russel....seems even sillier when you can't say 'you dun like 'murica, then git the hell out!', because you know Polaris is Canadian. Instead you'd have him boycott the message board of an anti-war American band in protest. Cmon.

I admit I don't know much about his time in the military, his capture, and release...but...Considering how readily he supports sending American boys to the same (or worse) fates...and how readily he supports actions that will destroy an exponentially greater number of foreign lives.... I am 100% comfortable in saying FUCK JOHN MCCAIN. And fuck the US's colonial imperialism, and the yellow ribbon nationalism that enables it.

You sound like Trump.

whatever you say BS....
You gonna take a stab at my question in the Israeli Apartheid thread, or ignore it? I'm guessing the latter....

Haven't made it over there yet. I'll decide whether to answer or ignore depending on how I feel about the question.

Anti-American....
Reminds me of being called an anti-Semite by Israel supporters with nothing left in their bag of excuses.
Let the nationalism flow through you. Say the pledge of allegiance ten times, and five god bless america's...you will again find your centre.

In Israel, the path they are on will end with the world turning on them and a single democratic state being imposed by international sanctions...could mean the death of the jewish state.
In the US...the path your country is on will end with confrontation with China and Russia and the entire world uniting to get out from under the umbrella of US neoliberal economic warfare....could mean the death of the US as sole superpower (and Canada being relegated to the second or third world along with it - happy?).
You can say I'm anti-this or anti-that....but to me, my opinions and criticisms are meant to prevent bloodshed while transitioning to new realities that include human rights for all...which I think makes me pro-Israel, and pro-US (and pro-Canada). Funny how we can frame our intentions so simply when thinking in black and white, pro/anti terms....

The Logan act? For that? An act that has seen one indictment since 1799....under Thomas Jefferson? more anti-speech, anti-democratic posturing to further Israel's goals (regime change and the destruction of Syria) from the anti-Arab opposition.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/01/20/trump-the-democrats-and-the-logan-act/

I mean...who wants to hear from actual Syrians, and their stupid opinions on peace....