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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    mickeyrat said:

    vaggar99 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Trumps nominee for sec of education just embarassed herself quite handily. Not only does she hold no opinion on the debate between growth and proficiency., she didnt KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. and ghw bush's sec of ed just called her "the enemy of public education".

    Jesus fucking christ.

    i just watched that segment. I'll have to admit, I never heard of the debate between growth and proficiency myself. I'm still a little unclear as to the difference, but I'm guessing i'll know soon.

    I suppose anyone in the education field is supposed to know this?
    The idea would be combining growth and proficiency or simply using growth in a student's performance as the marker of whether or not the school is doing its job. that it may be a student hasn't reached the school's proficiency marks but has shown marked improvement or growth from where they started at the beginning of the year.

    As it stands now or has stood neither the child nor the school would have been given credit for the growth/improvement in the students performance using only the proficiency model it's seen as patently unfair when the school is actually teaching a child
    okay, thanks for the explanation. that makes sense. I have a friend in San Diego that is a principal at a school and I remember him sort of talking about that before. So basically, the growth model favors lower performing schools and the proficiency model favors higher performing schools?
  • Thirty Bills Unpaid
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    Trump thanked black voters for staying at home election night tonight at a dinner honouring a Mike Pence:

    Mr. Trump expressed gratitude to black voters who had stayed home on Election Day “because they liked me, or they liked me enough that they just said, ‘No reason.’”

    Is he just a flat out a f**king idiot?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/us/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-dinner.html?_r=0
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Trump thanked black voters for staying at home election night tonight at a dinner honouring a Mike Pence:

    Mr. Trump expressed gratitude to black voters who had stayed home on Election Day “because they liked me, or they liked me enough that they just said, ‘No reason.’”

    Is he just a flat out a f**king idiot?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/us/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-dinner.html?_r=0

    It's another dog whistle to his racist base. Any pictures from the event? I wonder how many minorities might have been in attendance?
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  • tbergs
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

    Trump thanked black voters for staying at home election night tonight at a dinner honouring a Mike Pence:

    Mr. Trump expressed gratitude to black voters who had stayed home on Election Day “because they liked me, or they liked me enough that they just said, ‘No reason.’”

    Is he just a flat out a f**king idiot?

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/18/us/politics/donald-trump-mike-pence-dinner.html?_r=0

    It's another dog whistle to his racist base. Any pictures from the event? I wonder how many minorities might have been in attendance?
    I bet his shrink has some crazy shit on him. Definitely has mommy issues. Must not have been loved as a baby. He showed the world though! Mommy has to be proud now.
    It's a hopeless situation...
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    ^^^
    Shrinks, ha!
    Can't wait for the self proclaimed ones on AMT to weigh in.
  • DarthMaeglin
    DarthMaeglin Toronto Posts: 2,996
    One thing that's becoming increasingly tiresome here north of the border is how a third of the national news broadcasts are being eaten up with fear-mongering about Trump (I expect some will dismiss my claim of fear-mongering by the Canadian media, but that's the definite undertone to me). For example, the other day Trump was "attacking a civil rights legend" as opposed to responding to inflammatory comments by a "civil rights legend." Even worse is how Trump coverage is burying some very real controversies surrounding the new liberal poster boy, Trudeau II.
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  • Go Beavers
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    DarthMaeglin said:

    One thing that's becoming increasingly tiresome here north of the border is how a third of the national news broadcasts are being eaten up with fear-mongering about Trump (I expect some will dismiss my claim of fear-mongering by the Canadian media, but that's the definite undertone to me). For example, the other day Trump was "attacking a civil rights legend" as opposed to responding to inflammatory comments by a "civil rights legend." Even worse is how Trump coverage is burying some very real controversies surrounding the new liberal poster boy, Trudeau II.

    That's because it was an attack. Hey, I'll trade you a trump for a Trudeau?
  • DarthMaeglin
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    Go Beavers said:

    DarthMaeglin said:

    One thing that's becoming increasingly tiresome here north of the border is how a third of the national news broadcasts are being eaten up with fear-mongering about Trump (I expect some will dismiss my claim of fear-mongering by the Canadian media, but that's the definite undertone to me). For example, the other day Trump was "attacking a civil rights legend" as opposed to responding to inflammatory comments by a "civil rights legend." Even worse is how Trump coverage is burying some very real controversies surrounding the new liberal poster boy, Trudeau II.

    That's because it was an attack. Hey, I'll trade you a trump for a Trudeau?
    Thanks, but I'll stick with the lesser of two evils, lol: the known mess (in my opinion, obviously, lol) that is Trudeau, as opposed to the roll of the dice that is Trump.
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  • vaggar99
    vaggar99 San Diego USA Posts: 3,431
    edited January 2017
    DarthMaeglin said:

    Go Beavers said:

    DarthMaeglin said:

    One thing that's becoming increasingly tiresome here north of the border is how a third of the national news broadcasts are being eaten up with fear-mongering about Trump (I expect some will dismiss my claim of fear-mongering by the Canadian media, but that's the definite undertone to me). For example, the other day Trump was "attacking a civil rights legend" as opposed to responding to inflammatory comments by a "civil rights legend." Even worse is how Trump coverage is burying some very real controversies surrounding the new liberal poster boy, Trudeau II.

    That's because it was an attack. Hey, I'll trade you a trump for a Trudeau?
    Thanks, but I'll stick with the lesser of two evils, lol: the known mess (in my opinion, obviously, lol) that is Trudeau, as opposed to the roll of the dice that is Trump.
    whats even more interesting is just how much Trump gives a shit what the media says about him.
  • vaggar99
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  • Merkin Baller
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    Hahaha, this fucking guy........

    "Hey quick, everyone clear off the receptionists desk, let's take a picture of me pretending to write my inauguration speech. All the idiots will eat it up!"



    Everything about this cretin is fraudulent.

    Is America great again yet?
  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Merkin Baller said:

    Hahaha, this fucking guy........

    "Hey quick, everyone clear off the receptionists desk, let's take a picture of me pretending to write my inauguration speech. All the idiots will eat it up!"



    Everything about this cretin is fraudulent.

    Is America great again yet?
    Patience, patience. Tomorrow at 12:01 p.m.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Has anyone else noticed that the exercise adverse Trump has already aged considerably? It's not looking good for the oldest president elect to assume office. It's not looking good at all.
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  • vaggar99
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Has anyone else noticed that the exercise adverse Trump has already aged considerably? It's not looking good for the oldest president elect to assume office. It's not looking good at all.

    I can't tell. its hard to find a face in the sea of yellow and orange that is supposedly his head
  • Gern Blansten
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Has anyone else noticed that the exercise adverse Trump has already aged considerably? It's not looking good for the oldest president elect to assume office. It's not looking good at all.

    He looks like he's gained some weight.
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  • vaggar99
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    edited January 2017
    its beginning to look like ESP wants to keep Obamacare largely in tact even though he ran against it. The GOP is hung up on repeal even though almost no one wants that. Why can't they all just come out and say it? "We don't like Obama cuz he is black. It would at least clear things up
  • mickeyrat
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    vaggar99 said:

    mickeyrat said:

    vaggar99 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Trumps nominee for sec of education just embarassed herself quite handily. Not only does she hold no opinion on the debate between growth and proficiency., she didnt KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. and ghw bush's sec of ed just called her "the enemy of public education".

    Jesus fucking christ.

    i just watched that segment. I'll have to admit, I never heard of the debate between growth and proficiency myself. I'm still a little unclear as to the difference, but I'm guessing i'll know soon.

    I suppose anyone in the education field is supposed to know this?
    The idea would be combining growth and proficiency or simply using growth in a student's performance as the marker of whether or not the school is doing its job. that it may be a student hasn't reached the school's proficiency marks but has shown marked improvement or growth from where they started at the beginning of the year.

    As it stands now or has stood neither the child nor the school would have been given credit for the growth/improvement in the students performance using only the proficiency model it's seen as patently unfair when the school is actually teaching a child
    okay, thanks for the explanation. that makes sense. I have a friend in San Diego that is a principal at a school and I remember him sort of talking about that before. So basically, the growth model favors lower performing schools and the proficiency model favors higher performing schools?
    trending towatd a mix of the two. taking into account the growth of a student. but yes, what you describe.
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  • JC29856
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    Gern Blansten said:

    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Has anyone else noticed that the exercise adverse Trump has already aged considerably? It's not looking good for the oldest president elect to assume office. It's not looking good at all.

    He looks like he's gained some weight.
    He kinda is starting to look like JFK, imo

    http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/18/what-trump-should-learn-from-jfks-biggest-ecomomic-mistake-commentary.html

    http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/12/jfks-dangerous-playbook-for-trump-214547
  • benjs
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    vaggar99 said:

    its beginning to look like ESP wants to keep Obamacare largely in tact even though he ran against it. The GOP is hung up on repeal even though almost no one wants that. Why can't they all just come out and say it? "We don't like Obama cuz he is black. It would at least clear things up

    Why do you feel that the only argument used against Obamacare is one with racist undertones? On this thread alone there have to have been at least two or three valid race-independent arguments made.
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  • benjs
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    vaggar99 said:

    benjs said:

    vaggar99 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Trumps nominee for sec of education just embarassed herself quite handily. Not only does she hold no opinion on the debate between growth and proficiency., she didnt KNOW WHAT THEY ARE. and ghw bush's sec of ed just called her "the enemy of public education".

    Jesus fucking christ.

    i just watched that segment. I'll have to admit, I never heard of the debate between growth and proficiency myself. I'm still a little unclear as to the difference, but I'm guessing i'll know soon.

    I suppose anyone in the education field is supposed to know this?
    A shot in the dark: proficiency represents how much of a subject matter a student becomes before moving on to the next subject matter, growth represents the breadth of subject matters covered in a curriculum. If time is your exclusive variable, more time can go into fewer topics (more time per subject matter, favouring proficiency), or more topics can be covered (fewer time per subject matter, favouring growth). Even if she didn't know these terms' true meaning, wouldn't she have been better off to look at the simply defined words and apply them to study to see if she could figure them out? From there, you could easily make a solid-sounding statement:

    If growth and proficiency are the only two outputs and time is too finite, education should focus on imploring youth to be self-seekers of knowledge. Today, the world is ripe with freely available information, and in an era with such availability, it's a tragedy not to capitalize on that for our most malleable minds.

    My proposal is to focus on proficiency, and to re-audit what skills of today, and of tomorrow, are timely and relevant as subjects to thoroughly teach. Beyond that, we need to work on showing not just the value in education, but also ensuring immediate non-audited rewards for the general act of learning on one's own are provided. This may mean encouragement from teachers, extracurricular opportunities in more segments of America, incentives for self-study, all rolled up into a formal program delivered and marketed in ways appealing to youth in an environment producing sensory overload as we see today.

    It's not enough to have subject matter experts in adult Americans, if they lack the will, tools, persistence, and keen interest in pursuing lifelong educations.

    Wouldn't that have sounded better? Now I'm going to look up the growth vs proficiency debate.

    Edit, I was wrong about growth, was more to do with personal growth!
    nice shot in the dark, although a bit off. I'll at least say that you are proficient in the art of bullshit (and eloquent writing).

    Seriously though, I have mixed feelings about the self learning model. I suppose it has to do with the kind of student I was in school. Some things came easy in grade school and it made me a bit lazy/arrogant when I got to college. I didn't really get to be a good student and self learner until graduate school. so, it's possible i'd be living on the streets right now if you were to throw me into a self learning environment at that young of an age. who knows though...if the expectations are different, than maybe the students rise to those expectations.
    Thanks for the backhanded compliment, vaggar :) You're right in this case, I don't want to partake in the art of bullshit and that's exactly what I did, so I'm going to watch myself on that front (even though I did preface my post with the disclaimer that it's a shot in the dark). On that topic, there was a great article I read called "Why bullshit is no laughing matter", and it's really worth reading if you're interested (https://aeon.co/ideas/why-bullshit-is-no-laughing-matter).

    I totally understand where you're coming from regarding the lazy/arrogant nature at college - I was the exact same. I regularly received high grades in anything Math and Physics related, and same with English courses. When I started my undergraduate in Engineering, I definitely had to learn about self-learning very quickly in order to succeed.. Winging Engineering Calculus wasn't exactly possible anymore (though my writing abilities were substantially better than many of my peers). I guess my point is that society as a whole hasn't done the greatest job of teaching the value of learning itself - the focus is on the topic at hand, rather than the sale of learning as an asset. Something about the "because you have to" argument doesn't really click for many young people (myself included), but if learning itself was pushed as a gratifying/rewarding experience, it'd be much easier to sell. For example, on this forum, I love reading all these varied opinions which make me want to think critically, research, learn more, ask more, discover more. Discovery really gets my adrenaline going, but maybe that wouldn't be the case for someone less curious.
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