President Elect Trump

BS44325 · January 2017

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.

They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2017

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.

Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?

BS44325 · January 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?

The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.

InHiding80 · January 2017

josevolution said:

Free said:

Free said:

JC29856 said:

benjs said:

vaggar99 said:
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ledvedderman said:
As a student of history like you fanch is I'm sure well aware, until about 1900 the Democrats were considered the conservative party and Republicans were the progressive party.

What about today's Republican Party makes you of the belief that they would champion causes of equality for minoroties or women? Hell, we can't even get them to agree to the belief that a woman should be paid equally as a man for equal work.

So please continue telling us how minorities and women have their freedoms because of conservative ideas present in today's Republican Party.

Merkin Baller said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

jeffbr said:
Donald Trump Actually Just Ended His News Conference By Saying ‘You’re Fired’
The parting words, which were also his signature catch phrase during his time as host of “Celebrity Apprentice,” came in the context of Trump discussing his plan to have his two eldest sons run his business ventures while he’s president.

“I hope at the end of eight years I’ll come back and I’ll say, ‘Oh, you did a good job,’” he said. “Otherwise, if they do a bad job, I’ll say ...”

At that exact moment, the president-elect pulled out a finger gun and said, “You’re fired.”

And with that, his first press conference in six months was over.

good god what a fucking buffoon.
It's mind-blowing how many people support this guy. Common sense & critical thinking are a thing of the past.
it isn't really. remember GWB? he was not only elected but REELECTED by the same people.
Trump recognized the post-truth era quickly and unapologetically managed his campaign accordingly. Trump's opportunity existed almost exclusively because of the sleazy and incestuous world of Washington, big money, and the mainstream media, who have been colluding to manufacture news, policies, and collective opinions where serving themselves was the goal, and serving the public was incidental. This kind of nefarious behaviour trained the American population not to think and not to care (because they couldn't do anything about it anyways). People were willing to, in stages, reduce their engagement for a few reasons: mental laziness leaving them susceptible to undue thought control, or a reluctance or incapacity to unify to lay down the ground ethical rules for what should and shouldn't be tolerated by government, corporation, and media (which you could effectively aggregate into one group since they help each other so exclusively and wholly) to the pathetically low point of engagement we see today.

Today, when awakened by the crude but often correct rhetoric by Trump (particularly when analyzing the ineffectual nature of current-state media and government at being agents of change), people have begun to realize how complacent they had become. Clinton embodied everything that complacency encapsulated. There's something about seeing that a vote is effectively useless at driving change, that produces anger and rage, replacing reason and logic (so much so that Trump could point fingers at nefarious actions, and that resonated far more than the fact that he partakes in the same nefarious actions). The populace was then left with a few choices, and I'm guessing that split was something like this: complacent citizens who don't believe change is realistic with either candidate, choose Clinton. Everyone else, choose Trump. Of course, there were the ones who found both unpalatable, and didn't vote. I'm really not sure the inner dialogue went further than that in most cases. As for the "deplorables", Trump clearly subscribes to the "no press is bad press" train of thought (and clearly with good reason), so the best way to do that is a grassroots effort to hijack megaphones, which don't concern themselves with what spews out of them - just that it's loud. When Trump effectively refused to disavow David Duke of the KKK, the KKK became a megaphone sending pro-Trump messages. Extremists are particularly great at bearing megaphones - they are used to screaming loudly to ensure that their messages are heard.

Democracy gives the intelligent and the not-so-intelligent, the critical thinkers and the not-so-critical thinkers, equal ability to elect. It stands to reason, then, that a proper democracy needs to convert the not-so-intelligent, the not-so-critical thinkers, or the people who fall under both - into intelligent, critical thinkers, in order to hold elected officials accountable, and to ensure that further elected officials are elected for the right reasons. This is an uphill battle when the systems (political, social, economic, legal) are designed to make not-so-critical thinkers out of as many as possible, and I wish I could see a light at the end of a tunnel, but I honestly can't think of a road that doesn't lead to destruction, when factoring in our fatal human flaws of greed and selfishness. If there is a way, it must start with tremendous education reform.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++not sure why its doing that, me below

Nice post for sure, in reference to your last thought paragraph: Which group do you think better helps those that are un-intelligent or those that find it difficult to think critically?
a. the group that only questions or points out what they see wrong with their opposing political party
b. the group that questions government, politics, both partys in general, regardless of their political party affiliation or leanings

The problem specifically that I see in todays climate, which has been going on for years now, is that people do not criticize, question, or point out what is wrong with their own political parties or representatives. Democrats dont hold democrats accountable and republicans dont hold republicans accountable, they just point fingers at each other. Actually, its much worse then not holding their own party accountable, they go so far as to make excuses and defend actions that are in direct contrast to their beliefs leanings.
No better example then wars bombs between Bush Obama.

Ok you & JC have all the answers so can you let us know how you go about dismantling of all the shortcomings of our government , we have the incoming administration that most feel is not on track to work for all the population ! I'm not sure how we get to the promised land ..

Except Free isn't turning into a Trump ass kisser like JC has lately.

BS44325 · January 2017

This is for you Halifax from 2009

http://www.gallup.com/poll/123149/Cost-Is-Foremost-Healthcare-Issue-for-Americans.aspx

"Americans are broadly satisfied with the quality of their own medical care and healthcare costs, but of the two, satisfaction with costs lags. Overall, 80% are satisfied with the quality of medical care available to them, including 39% who are very satisfied. Sixty-one percent are satisfied with the cost of their medical care, including 20% who are very satisfied.

There is a clear gulf in these perceptions between the health insurance haves and have-nots. According to a Sept. 11-13 USA Today/Gallup poll, the 85% of Americans with health insurance coverage are broadly satisfied with the quality of medical care they receive and with their healthcare costs. At 79%, satisfaction with costs among Medicare/Medicaid recipients is particularly high.

The 15% who are uninsured are far less satisfied with the quality of their medical care (50% are satisfied), and only 27% are satisfied with their healthcare costs. (Sixty-nine percent are dissatisfied with their costs.)"

And this from 2010

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2010/mar/10/george-will/will-says-95-percent-people-health-insurance-are-s/

"If you average these eight scores, the total rate of satisfaction is 87 percent. In all but one poll, the satisfaction level was below Will's stated level of 95 percent."

You just got some satisfaction

Halifax2TheMax · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.

But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?

BS44325 · January 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.
But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?

You posted this too soon. I just "tossed you some percentages" backing up my "claims". You aren't the devil but you are wrong.

Also...you still have troubles comprehending the different branches of the right. The "altright" and the "neocons" are not the same. The way you throw these terms around shows you have never really given much thought to the different ideologies. It is all just name calling to you. Who is really calling who "the devil"?

Halifax2TheMax · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.
But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?
You posted this too soon. I just "tossed you some percentages" backing up my "claims". You aren't the devil but you are wrong.

Also...you still have troubles comprehending the different branches of the right. The "altright" and the "neocons" are not the same. The way you throw these terms around shows you have never really given much thought to the different ideologies. It is all just name calling to you. Who is really calling who "the devil"?

Yup, you're the devil.

BS44325 · January 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.
But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?
You posted this too soon. I just "tossed you some percentages" backing up my "claims". You aren't the devil but you are wrong.

Also...you still have troubles comprehending the different branches of the right. The "altright" and the "neocons" are not the same. The way you throw these terms around shows you have never really given much thought to the different ideologies. It is all just name calling to you. Who is really calling who "the devil"?
Yup, you're the devil.

I'm the devil I can do what I want
Whatever I got I'm gonna flaunt
There's never been a rock off that I've ever lost.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.
But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?
You posted this too soon. I just "tossed you some percentages" backing up my "claims". You aren't the devil but you are wrong.

Also...you still have troubles comprehending the different branches of the right. The "altright" and the "neocons" are not the same. The way you throw these terms around shows you have never really given much thought to the different ideologies. It is all just name calling to you. Who is really calling who "the devil"?
Yup, you're the devil.
I'm the devil I can do what I want
Whatever I got I'm gonna flaunt
There's never been a rock off that I've ever lost.

I know where this came from.

Halifax2TheMax · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.
But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?
You posted this too soon. I just "tossed you some percentages" backing up my "claims". You aren't the devil but you are wrong.

Also...you still have troubles comprehending the different branches of the right. The "altright" and the "neocons" are not the same. The way you throw these terms around shows you have never really given much thought to the different ideologies. It is all just name calling to you. Who is really calling who "the devil"?

Does the poll of 2009 include the 20 million Americans of the 40 million who previously didn't have health insurance? The whole object of Obamacare? So, your poll is correct, I'll concede, but polls don't matter and what about the rest of your claims that follow? And, wouldn't you also have to ask whether they used their health insurance and to what degree? Prior to asking whether they're satisfied? I mean, I have health insurance, haven't been to the doctor or hospital in three years, it's excellent!? Is the debate about satisfaction or cost effectiveness?

And neocons and altrighters? All the same to me, no compassion.

BS44325 · January 2017

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.
But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?
You posted this too soon. I just "tossed you some percentages" backing up my "claims". You aren't the devil but you are wrong.

Also...you still have troubles comprehending the different branches of the right. The "altright" and the "neocons" are not the same. The way you throw these terms around shows you have never really given much thought to the different ideologies. It is all just name calling to you. Who is really calling who "the devil"?
Does the poll of 2009 include the 20 million Americans of the 40 million who previously didn't have health insurance? The whole object of Obamacare? So, your poll is correct, I'll concede, but polls don't matter and what about the rest of your claims that follow? And, wouldn't you also have to ask whether they used their health insurance and to what degree? Prior to asking whether they're satisfied? I mean, I have health insurance, haven't been to the doctor or hospital in three years, it's excellent!? Is the debate about satisfaction or cost effectiveness?

And neocons and altrighters? All the same to me, no compassion.

The answer to your question is in the same poll. The uninsured had a 50% level of satisfaction. What they weren't satisfied with was cost. The grander point of all this was that Obama era Healthcare Reform was a solution in search of a problem. On the whole it was not something anybody really wanted. It was a massive mess where something much smaller might have been useful. This is a perfect example of the consequences of good intentions. Compassion can be dangerous.

rgambs · January 2017

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.

A bad job by Trump would be good for America. If he does a good job, the deplorable changes he makes will likely take decades to reverse.

rgambs · January 2017

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

BS44325 said:

bootleg said:

Go Beavers said:

mcgruff10 said:

Go Beavers said:
It's sarcasm Friday!
I was serious. I don't want the president of this great nation to do a bad job.
Okay. Well, he's not even in office yet and step one of the ACA repeal has happened without replacement plan that I've seen. I don't see that as a good thing or anything to support, but maybe you do?
Over the past 8 years the GOPs only platform has been to be against whatever the Democrats were for. They have no solutions themselves so of course they don't have a replacement plan. Their plan is to "replace it with something better." That's something a 3rd grader would come up with. They are going to have to come up ideas of their own now. Based on their track record I don't have much faith that they will.
They don't actually have to replace it with anything. Prior to Obamacare 80% of people were satisfied with their own healthcare coverage. The purpose of Obamacare was to get coverage for the 40 million people who were without but instead it mainly threw a ton of people on to medicare and medicaid while screwing up a decent system for most everybody else. "If you like your doctor you can keep it" was a massive lie and a death spiral of the entire system is happening. Many would be satisfied to return to the system that existed before this moronic big government failure. That being said you can't necessarily put Humpty Dumpty back together again so some type of "replacement" will be necessary to protect those during the transition back to the old system. Throw on top of that some minor free market solutions and that should satisfy enough of the electorate. Further demands for "replace" will disappear into the wind like Obama's presidency.
Got a link to the 80% satisfied number? Remember, polls don't matter.

What's a "ton of people?" Thrown onto Medicare and Medicaid? 2,000? Or 8 average weighted Americans?

What's this "death spiral" you speak of? Sara Palin death panels? Or the collapse of our healthcare system? Do expound.

How many would like to return to the system? Is many two from Canada?

By what measure do you determine it's a failure? And that "big government is moronic?"

So satisfying just enough of the electorate is justification to fuck everyone else?

Do you not have any facts nor compassion, herr distinguished professor?
The classic Halifax "ask 10 question response" which really isn't a response at all. Compassion is important but that is not what is actually being discussed here. What is being discussed is that from a political perspective "replacement" is not as necessary as many keep stating. There will be no electoral punishment for those who vote to repeal. If anything it will be the exact opposite. This is the harsh reality.
But in your own mind you toss out percentages, make claims and throw BS as fact. Yea, I could also post inconsequential rumblings of an alternative universe altright neocon but I try to at least be somewhat realistic for the arguments that have the biggest impact on me personally and my country. But like an evangelist, anyone who disagrees with your sermon is wrong or the devil.

Was there a question in your diatribe, herr professor or are you the only worthy to spew? Reading comprehension or being challenged aren't your strong suits, are they?
You posted this too soon. I just "tossed you some percentages" backing up my "claims". You aren't the devil but you are wrong.

Also...you still have troubles comprehending the different branches of the right. The "altright" and the "neocons" are not the same. The way you throw these terms around shows you have never really given much thought to the different ideologies. It is all just name calling to you. Who is really calling who "the devil"?
Yup, you're the devil.
I'm the devil I can do what I want
Whatever I got I'm gonna flaunt
There's never been a rock off that I've ever lost.

Love that movie!

dignin · January 2017

Trump cements job creator status by booking Three Doors Down

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/01/trump-cements-job-creator-status-booking-three-doors/

InHiding80 · January 2017

dignin said:
Trump cements job creator status by booking Three Doors Down

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2017/01/trump-cements-job-creator-status-booking-three-doors/

That will be kryptonite to their success. Oh wait, they haven't had a hit in over a decade so they're done anyways.

what dreams · January 2017

I was browsing around on Positive Force DC's Facebook page this afternoon and found this gem. For those of you who want to DO SOMETHING, give it a look. It's exactly what needs to happen over the next two years:

https://indivisibleguide.com/the-guide/

I found this just an hour after attending a local Democratic precinct meeting, organizing with people in my neighborhood to bring in more concerned citizens around the issues we care about. Feeling energized and empowered to DO SOMETHING today!!!

JC29856 · January 2017

Trump team submits request to have WH press subject to random bi-annual urine drug tests.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · January 2017

JC29856 said:
Trump team submits request to have WH press subject to random bi-annual urine drug tests.

Come on man tell the full story.
You left out the part that it was one of thirteen ideas to President Trumps transition team in November. The man did not get the job.
http://pagesix.com/2017/01/13/drug-testing-floated-for-white-house-press-corps/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

JC29856 · January 2017

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:

JC29856 said:
Trump team submits request to have WH press subject to random bi-annual urine drug tests.
Come on man tell the full story.
You left out the part that it was one of thirteen ideas to President Trumps transition team in November. The man did not get the job.
http://pagesix.com/2017/01/13/drug-testing-floated-for-white-house-press-corps/?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=P6Twitter&utm_medium=SocialFlow

oh my bad. I apologize, good find. I'm easily duped.

Does anyone care about the boycotts? I don't but they are free to boycott if they choose. I like reading the reasons why.

http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/314269-whip-list-democrats-boycotting-trumps-inauguration

President Elect Trump

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