Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2016
    JimmyV said:

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    I thought it was treasonous when he said it and I think it is treasonous today.
    Thoughts on Obama calling for intel on election hacking back to 2008? Thoughts on intel reps not briefing congress on intel hacks? Thoughts on expected release of intel reports before Jan 20th?
    If this is even close to treasonous and undermining of democracy by foreign states, it seems as if Obama and the intel agencies aren't in any hurry to inform the college electors, congress or you and I.
  • Posts: 12,776
    Trump's a great man.

    He threatened to sue the women who accused him of assault & then suggested they're not attractive enough to get raped.

    That's a great man right there.
  • Posts: 17,117
    The internet has taken a lot of smart people and turned them into conspiracy theory nuts... it's like an addiction that they need to keep feeding by going deeper in the wormhole

    There is a guy at work that has essentially gone off the deep end and it's now impossible to have a real conversation with him without him spinning everything back to doom & gloom conspiracy theories

    Scary shit
  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    JC29856 said:

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    Thoughts on Obama calling for intel on election hacking back to 2008? Thoughts on intel reps not briefing congress on intel hacks? Thoughts on expected release of intel reports before Jan 20th?
    If this is even close to treasonous and undermining of democracy by foreign states, it seems as if Obama and the intel agencies aren't in any hurry to inform the college electors, congress or you and I.
    I don't speak for Obama, only myself. And I stand by calling Trump's remarks treasonous.

    I'm no expert on intelligence gathering. I'm not going to pretend otherwise. One thing I do know though is that intelligence agencies are constantly trying to develop new methods for gathering information, and constantly trying to keep those new methods secret. I wouldn't expect nor would I want the curtain pulled back on everything we know and how we know it.
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    JimmyV said:

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    I don't speak for Obama, only myself. And I stand by calling Trump's remarks treasonous.

    I'm no expert on intelligence gathering. I'm not going to pretend otherwise. One thing I do know though is that intelligence agencies are constantly trying to develop new methods for gathering information, and constantly trying to keep those new methods secret. I wouldn't expect nor would I want the curtain pulled back on everything we know and how we know it.
    I didn't ask you to speak for Obama I asked for your thoughts.

    You don't have any questions or thoughts as to why our sitting president would commission a report back to 2008 when all anyone is interested in is the that took place on Nov 8th 2016?
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    JimmyV said:

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    I don't speak for Obama, only myself. And I stand by calling Trump's remarks treasonous.

    I'm no expert on intelligence gathering. I'm not going to pretend otherwise. One thing I do know though is that intelligence agencies are constantly trying to develop new methods for gathering information, and constantly trying to keep those new methods secret. I wouldn't expect nor would I want the curtain pulled back on everything we know and how we know it.
    Agree but nobody is asking for states secrets, just confirmation from the intel agencies on record that Russia Russia Russia hacked the election.
    One step further, offer proof the hack (not how they breached our election) effected the results of the election. Such as, 964 electronic voting machines were vote flipped to Trump, or we have in custody 96,637 Russian cyborgs that voted trump.
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    Because maybe Kenya, Kenya, Kenya got obama elected?
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  • Posts: 9,617
    Understandable, its big it hurts going in.

    https://youtu.be/yE_43xhefB0
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    ^^^
    The last minute was like listening to AMT radlibs against the straight talkers.
  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    JC29856 said:

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    I didn't ask you to speak for Obama I asked for your thoughts.

    You don't have any questions or thoughts as to why our sitting president would commission a report back to 2008 when all anyone is interested in is the that took place on Nov 8th 2016?
    If we think it happened this time why we wouldn't we question if it happened before? That seems logical to me. It seems like the President is acting in a non-partisan way. He could've easily just asked for a report on this election. He chose not to. I see that as a positive.
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  • Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2016
    JimmyV said:

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    If we think it happened this time why we wouldn't we question if it happened before? That seems logical to me. It seems like the President is acting in a non-partisan way. He could've easily just asked for a report on this election. He chose not to. I see that as a positive.
    Who thinks any other elections were hacked? Never heard it before and I find it strange that he would ask for those other years when nobody cares. He said himself just 4 weeks ago, this past election is in the past.

    Why at this point would the president with 34 days remaining in his presidency care about non partisan? He campaigned big time for Hilliary? So did his wife.

    How about asking for a report on 2016 elections like now interests of essence of time, then for whatever reasons asked for the other years nobody cares about or questions by Jan 20th?

    You think this is logical?

    If the elections were hacked by a hostile foreign actor we should know about it before it's too late!
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  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    JC29856 said:

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    How thinks any other elections were hacked? Never heard it before and I find it strange that he would ask for those other years when nobody cares. He said himself just 4 weeks ago, this past election is in the past.

    Why at this point would the president with 34 days remaining in his presidency care about non partisan? He campaigned big time for Hilliary? So did his wife.

    How about asking for a report on 2016 elections like now interests of essence of time, then for whatever reasons asked for the other years nobody cares about or questions by Jan 20th?

    You think this is logical?

    If the elections were hacked by a hostile foreign actor we should know about it before it's too late!
    Because it's also been said that the investigation centers on what happened and lessons learned, not on overturning Trump. I absolutely think it logical to look at more than one election.

    You seem confused by a President being able to campaign for his hoped-for successor (partisan) and at the same time being able to carry out the duties and responsibilities of his office (non-partisan).
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  • Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2016
    JimmyV said:

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    Because it's also been said that the investigation centers on what happened and lessons learned, not on overturning Trump. I absolutely think it logical to look at more than one election.

    You seem confused by a President being able to campaign for his hoped-for successor (partisan) and at the same time being able to carry out the duties and responsibilities of his office (non-partisan).
    Obviously very confused.

    Who's duty is it to make certain we had fair and uncompromised election results?

    http://www.npr.org/2016/07/05/484817706/looking-back-at-a-century-of-presidents-not-campaigning-for-their-successor
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  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    JC29856 said:

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    Obviously very confused.

    http://www.npr.org/2016/07/05/484817706/looking-back-at-a-century-of-presidents-not-campaigning-for-their-successor
    You think a desire to be nonpartisan had anything to do with George W. Bush and Bill Clinton not campaigning for John McCain and Al Gore? Bush was wildly unpopular by 2008 and rightfully so. Clinton was only recently freed from the impeachment fiasco. Barack Obama., meanwhile, is still wildly popular among the Democratic base. There is an obvious difference, whether or not you choose to see it.
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    JimmyV said:

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    You think a desire to be nonpartisan had anything to do with George W. Bush and Bill Clinton not campaigning for John McCain and Al Gore? Bush was wildly unpopular by 2008 and rightfully so. Clinton was only recently freed from the impeachment fiasco. Barack Obama., meanwhile, is still wildly popular among the Democratic base. There is an obvious difference, whether or not you choose to see it.
    Off topic but I'll answer your questions...McCain and Gore didn't want them to campaign for them.
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    Gore didn't want Clinton campaigning for him because of Monica and Gore's refusal to lean left and capture a few more Nadar supporters cost him the election, particularly in Florida, Florida, Florida!!!

    JC, why rush the investigation? Worried where the trail will lead? Follow the money, money, money!!!
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  • Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    JC29856 said:

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    Off topic but I'll answer your questions...McCain and Gore didn't want them to campaign for them.
    Off topic? It's a response to the article you posted.
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    Halifax2TheMax said:

    Gore didn't want Clinton campaigning for him because of Monica and Gore's refusal to lean left and capture a few more Nadar supporters cost him the election, particularly in Florida, Florida, Florida!!!

    JC, why rush the investigation? Worried where the trail will lead? Follow the money, money, money!!!

    Who said rush the investigation?

    In fact, I'm calling for the exact opposite, all resources to be focused on this election not 2012 2010 and 2008 that nobody cares about.

    Weren't you calling for an investigation? Well let's investigate!
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    JimmyV said:

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    Off topic? It's a response to the article you posted.
    Article was referencing the campaign for successor, whats more partisan than that?
    I'm guessing that the non partisan stuff went out the window the second Obama agreed to stump. Also guessing he would have preferred not to.
  • Posts: 12,776
    Wow, Lindsey Graham is definitely definitely definitely afraid of all the child porn he's got on his computer.



    Definitely.

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