Russia's Influence On The American Election

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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    This wouldn't happen in mother Russia Russia Russia!

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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    It can't be said enough. Mitt Romney gleefully accepted Donald Trump's endorsement in 2012 when he was just the disgusting King of the even more disgusting Birther movement. In doing so Romney legitimized Trump in the GOP. My former governor is far from solely responsible for President-elect Donald Trump but he is also far from blameless.
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  • JC29856
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  • Halifax2TheMax
    Halifax2TheMax Posts: 42,245
    JC29856 said:

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    Slacking, slacking, slacking!!!
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  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    This Russian stuff is not believed because it's as stupid as the proponents of the hitler comparisons.
    Dumb.
  • ledvedderman
    ledvedderman Posts: 7,762
    I think it's quite the opposite. I think the majority of the public believes it happened.
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  • JimmyV
    JimmyV Boston's MetroWest Posts: 19,598
    I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.
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  • ledvedderman
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    JimmyV said:

    I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.

    Exactly. There was absolutely some hacking done. That doesn't mean that they rigged the election. I'm not hearing anyone saying the hack won the election for Trump. But there was hacking of voter registration systems done. That compromises millions of individuals to having their personal info exposed to a foreign entity. That alone is enough to need investigation. Again, NOTHING TO DO WITH TRUMP WINNING.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    edited December 2016
    JimmyV said:

    I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.

    All those memes are working - they are being used to convince people that there is nothing to worry about and it's all a big joke... Well, it's not. But the memes seem to be working. It's a amazing that America can now be largely swayed by memes, but it really does seem to be the case (JC seems to be a prime example of this; the memes both seem to work on him, and he knows that they work on others. Bravo).
    Russia swung the election with the DNC and Pedesta email hacks, and did it specifically for that reason .... if it hadn't been for releasing those (and not any RNC ones), I feel pretty certain that Clinton would have won.
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  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited December 2016
    This might hurt going in!

    PROOF PROOF PROOF!

    https://theintercept.com/2016/12/14/heres-the-public-evidence-russia-hacked-the-dnc-its-not-enough/

    We should also bear in mind that private security firm CrowdStrike’s frequently cited findings of Russian responsibility were essentially paid for by the DNC, who contracted their services in June. It’s highly unusual for evidence of a crime to be assembled on the victim’s dime. If we’re going to blame the Russian government for disrupting our presidential election — easily construed as an act of war — we need to be damn sure of every single shred of evidence. Guesswork and assumption could be disastrous.
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  • ledvedderman
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    Sorry, Soul. I love you but there's just no evidence to it swaying the election. The Comey letter? I can see that. But not the hacks.
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  • JC29856
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    Possibly, appears, connects, indicates. It’s impossible (or at least dishonest) to present the evidence for Russian responsibility for hacking the Democrats without using language like this.
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    ledvedderman said:

    Sorry, Soul. I love you but there's just no evidence to it swaying the election. The Comey letter? I can see that. But not the hacks.

    Agreed. While we were inundated with the Podesta emails on AMT, most American voters don't have any idea who Podesta is, or what any of those emails contained. I think it was mostly insignificant in terms of the general electorate.
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:

    Possibly, appears, connects, indicates. It’s impossible (or at least dishonest) to present the evidence for Russian responsibility for hacking the Democrats without using language like this.

    Lies, lies, lies!!!
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  • JimmyV
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    PJ_Soul said:

    JimmyV said:

    I don't believe the Russians swung this election. I do think Russia was behind the DNC and Podesta email hacks. All the memes and "Russia Russia Russia" nonsense are just a distraction.

    All those memes are working - they are being used to convince people that there is nothing to worry about and it's all a big joke... Well, it's not. But the memes seem to be working. It's a amazing that America can now be largely swayed by memes, but it really does seem to be the case (JC seems to be a prime example of this; the memes both seem to work on him, and he knows that they work on others. Bravo).
    Russia swung the election with the DNC and Pedesta email hacks, and did it specifically for that reason .... if it hadn't been for releasing those (and not any RNC ones), I feel pretty certain that Clinton would have won.
    I don't. There are a lot of reasons why she lost the race and this certainly was one of them, but I have a hard time believing it was the decisive one.

    As for the memes it feels like they are the next logical step. Talk radio gave way to Fox News. Now we have fake news and memes. By 2020 news coverage will become a choose your own adventure style affair.
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  • JC29856
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    jeffbr said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Sorry, Soul. I love you but there's just no evidence to it swaying the election. The Comey letter? I can see that. But not the hacks.

    Agreed. While we were inundated with the Podesta emails on AMT, most American voters don't have any idea who Podesta is, or what any of those emails contained. I think it was mostly insignificant in terms of the general electorate.
    Shhhh!


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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    JC29856 said:

    jeffbr said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Sorry, Soul. I love you but there's just no evidence to it swaying the election. The Comey letter? I can see that. But not the hacks.

    Agreed. While we were inundated with the Podesta emails on AMT, most American voters don't have any idea who Podesta is, or what any of those emails contained. I think it was mostly insignificant in terms of the general electorate.
    Shhhh!


    https://www.google.com/trends/explore?date=today 3-m&geo=US&q=pizzagate,Podesta
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  • ledvedderman
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    jeffbr said:

    ledvedderman said:

    Sorry, Soul. I love you but there's just no evidence to it swaying the election. The Comey letter? I can see that. But not the hacks.

    Agreed. While we were inundated with the Podesta emails on AMT, most American voters don't have any idea who Podesta is, or what any of those emails contained. I think it was mostly insignificant in terms of the general electorate.
    I don't think that there was anything in there that did much damage. What did more damage was hearing every night on the news, "more Clinton emails leaked from the campaign today". The general public was already wary of Clinton because of the constant scandals and the emails from her SOS days.
    It's like that theory that it's more torture to tap someone on the forehead continually than just haul off and deck them.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,678
    ledvedderman said:

    Sorry, Soul. I love you but there's just no evidence to it swaying the election. The Comey letter? I can see that. But not the hacks.

    Not hard evidence, but don't you think that common sense suggests that it's the case? Recall the reaction to the whole DNC email hack? Polls clearly showed that they did indeed sway people's feelings about Clinton, and that there was nothing comparable coming from the other side was, evidently, by design. I think that's obvious. There are poll numbers showing that the email hack influenced how people voted, particularly the undecided voters. That is swaying the election.
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  • JC29856
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    Confirmation of suspicion!

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