Eddie's Voice and the direction of pj

billyshears
billyshears Posts: 71
edited May 2008 in The Porch
how much (i was going to write "damage" here , but instead i am going to write "altering" as i suspect some people prefer the change in eddies voice),, how much ALTERING have American Spirit cigarettes done to eddie's voice.

IMHO faster songs with eddie on the guitar while singing demonstrate this "change" the most. THE VH1 storytellers is, for me, the worst sounding Eddie i have ever heard (although, with that said, still an awe-inspiring set of pipes).

i am just curious on other people's opinion on the "change" and wheter or not they suspect an ensuing "change" in the direction of PJ (key-changes, different tempos etc.)

NB i do understand how people's voices change with years, whether or not one is a smoker, but i think his American Spirits have exacerbated this evolution?/devolution? of my favorite singer's voice
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  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    crikey. another ed voice/smoking thread
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    his voice was out of this world good on the solo tour.....he's not a dumb guy.....if the cigs start to affect his voice he'll know....
  • LONGRD
    LONGRD Posts: 6,036
    I don't Ed's voice is good for big heavy fast-pace songs as it was pre-95. I seem to enjoy and love the more mellow/soft songs from PJ this decade. That's what I get from his voice, it just seem really really scratchy for "rocker" tunes. Just my opinion though.
    PJ- 04/29/2003.06/24,25,27,28,30/2008.10/27,28,30,31/2009
    EV- 08/09,10/2008.06/08,09/2009
  • billyshears
    billyshears Posts: 71
    if this has appeared already i am sorry, i don't spend that much time here as i am also a part of Creed's Message Board
  • muppet
    muppet Posts: 980
    His voice definately isn't what it was, and I prefer his 'earlier' voice. But today, it's still fucking great. He sounds a bit more, er "squawky" but it's a good, rock and roll type of "squawk." Am I making sense?

    Didn't like his vocals on the latest album though.
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    billyshears wrote:
    how much (i was going to write "damage" here , but instead i am going to write "altering" as i suspect some people prefer the change in eddies voice),, how much ALTERING have American Spirit cigarettes done to eddie's voice.

    IMHO faster songs with eddie on the guitar while singing demonstrate this "change" the most. THE VH1 storytellers is, for me, the worst sounding Eddie i have ever heard (although, with that said, still an awe-inspiring set of pipes).

    i am just curious on other people's opinion on the "change" and wheter or not they suspect an ensuing "change" in the direction of PJ (key-changes, different tempos etc.)

    NB i do understand how people's voices change with years, whether or not one is a smoker, but i think his American Spirits have exacerbated this evolution?/devolution? of my favorite singer's voice

    I'd definitely call it damage. Why sugar-coat it? We all know cigarettes hurt your pipes. Anyone who says smoking isn't damaging Ed's voice is blinkered - look at what happened to Cornell when he smoked too much for too long.

    More importantly, look what happened when he quit.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun
    LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun Posts: 6,097
    eh, he's just getting old. still pretty awesome voice though.
  • billyshears
    billyshears Posts: 71
    he should start dipping, still get his nicotine while keeping his lungs nice and PJ-c.93-Powerful.

    I'm gonna send him a tin (whats his mailing address???)

    "Dear Eddie, this is called skoal, put it behind your lip and throw those fucking cigarettes away!!!"
  • muppet
    muppet Posts: 980
    Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:
    I'd definitely call it damage. Why sugar-coat it? We all know cigarettes hurt your pipes. Anyone who says smoking isn't damaging Ed's voice is blinkered - look at what happened to Cornell when he smoked too much for too long.

    More importantly, look what happened when he quit.

    I don't think he's has bad as Cornell (yet). Cornell in Audioslave was almost unbearable, although he seems to have improved.
  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    I dunno...after seeing Ed in San Diego I have a hard time seeing his voice as anything short of perfection.

    Sometimes I think people make waaaaay to big a deal out of Ed's smoking. Yes we know its bad for you...but if he didnt' smoke would anyone be talking about "the change"? I don't think so :)

    Or maybe we would all be chalking it up to the fact that he sings his heart out at every show...after 15 years one could assume it could wear on the vocal chords.

    Arc in San Diego...thats all I gotta say ;)
  • Rhinocerous Surprise
    Rhinocerous Surprise Posts: 4,423
    muppet wrote:
    I don't think he's has bad as Cornell (yet). Cornell in Audioslave was almost unbearable, although he seems to have improved.

    I agree - Ed is still one of my favourite singers, whereas Cornell dropped off after I heard him mangle Hunger Strike a few times.:o (He's well and truly back now though.)

    But I'd still say the cigs are having a noticeable effect on Ed's voice - listen to Release from 03, and then from 06. He can't go as deep, or as high anymore. The exact same thing that happened to Cornell.
    Smokey Robinson constantly looks like he's trying to act natural after being accused of farting.
  • billyshears
    billyshears Posts: 71
    Sometimes I think people make waaaaay to big a deal out of Ed's smoking. Yes we know its bad for you...but if he didnt' smoke would anyone be talking about "the change"? I don't think so

    you don't think people would be noting a change if he didnt smoke?? i dunno about that one. there is a noticable change in his voice (no value judgement here) and i suspect people would be discussing it. AT THE VERY LEAST BECAUSE PEOPLE HERE DISCUSS EVERTHING FROM THEIR FAVORITE ALBUM TO WHAT EDDIE"S BUGGERS MIGHT TASTE LIKE
  • Smellyman2
    Smellyman2 Posts: 689
    He sounded phenomenal at berkely 2. Masters of War was jaw dropping.
  • justam
    justam Posts: 21,415
    billyshears wrote:
    how much (i was going to write "damage" here , but instead i am going to write "altering" as i suspect some people prefer the change in eddies voice),, how much ALTERING have American Spirit cigarettes done to eddie's voice.

    IMHO faster songs with eddie on the guitar while singing demonstrate this "change" the most. THE VH1 storytellers is, for me, the worst sounding Eddie i have ever heard (although, with that said, still an awe-inspiring set of pipes).

    i am just curious on other people's opinion on the "change" and wheter or not they suspect an ensuing "change" in the direction of PJ (key-changes, different tempos etc.)

    NB i do understand how people's voices change with years, whether or not one is a smoker, but i think his American Spirits have exacerbated this evolution?/devolution? of my favorite singer's voice


    Ed's voice still belongs to him even though he is your favorite singer.
    &&&&&&&&&&&&&&
  • norm
    norm Posts: 31,146
    justam wrote:
    Ed's voice still belongs to him even though he is your favorite singer.

    :)
  • UpSideDown
    UpSideDown Posts: 1,966
    billyshears wrote:
    he should start dipping, still get his nicotine while keeping his lungs nice and PJ-c.93-Powerful.

    I'm gonna send him a tin (whats his mailing address???)

    "Dear Eddie, this is called skoal, put it behind your lip and throw those fucking cigarettes away!!!"

    hmmmm.......Ed's voice changed back in the no code/yield era. From then on, i think he has refined his singing.

    It will never go back to the way it sounded in the early 90s, and I don't really want it to. I like where it is right now, the band is putting out very solid performances.
  • simpleman
    simpleman Posts: 425
    I gotta gets me some of dem french fried padadas....

    i like his voice very much...
    " Jump from a cliff to fly, not to fall..."
  • OneLove
    OneLove Posts: 563
    billyshears wrote:
    Sometimes I think people make waaaaay to big a deal out of Ed's smoking. Yes we know its bad for you...but if he didnt' smoke would anyone be talking about "the change"? I don't think so

    you don't think people would be noting a change if he didnt smoke?? i dunno about that one. there is a noticable change in his voice (no value judgement here) and i suspect people would be discussing it. AT THE VERY LEAST BECAUSE PEOPLE HERE DISCUSS EVERTHING FROM THEIR FAVORITE ALBUM TO WHAT EDDIE"S BUGGERS MIGHT TASTE LIKE

    OK, save the people who would discuss Ed's buggers, I think far fewer people would be discussing his voice sans the smoking.
  • vedder_soup
    vedder_soup Posts: 5,861
    billyshears wrote:
    i don't spend that much time here as i am also a part of Creed's Message Board
    :eek:
    well at least you have the balls to admit it ;)
    How about the nickelback boards ??
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    2010 - I watched it go to fire!
    2011 - EV Brisbane x3, Newcastle, Sydney x3,
    2012 - Manchester x 2, Amsterdam x2, Prague, Berlin x2, Stockholm, Oslo, Copenhagen,
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  • Sexy2aFault
    Sexy2aFault Posts: 388
    Lollapalooza was an indictment of Ed's voice being effected by his lifestyle. You could tell he spent 3 days straight drinking and smoking and, being in his 40's, he got tired... so while musically the band was in amazingly faqst grooves and totally rocking, Ed could not keep up.


    Now withthat said, when Ed rests and has the energy he can still totally bring it, compare MSG1 03 where he was blown away by Ben Harper (again Ed was out o gas) with Mansfield 3 where he, for whatever reason, was able to bring it hardcore.

    Anyway, that is only noticeable on the boots, in concert- in the venue- I haven't noticed any let down or any change from 98 when I attended my first PJ gig, to my last one in 06.

    The fact that it is sometimes noticdeable on the boots is precisley why we will not get anymore of them offered to us.

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