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Most libertarians I know are independent minded folks that feel that they can better regulate themselves and their day to day lives by making their own decisions than being overly dependent on government. Although today's republicans are definitely not totally small government minded in every aspect, they are way closer than democrats. I believe that some government oversight is needed in certain areas, but am overall against big brother intrusiveness in as many ways as is possible. Fantasy land is believing that big brother is going to solve all of your problems and has your best interests at mind...because big brother is never corrupt. If a libertarian candidate had a chance in hell of winning, I would have voted for them, but instead I voted for the party with less of the big government pushers...Go Beavers said:PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
It seems like a valid observation to me. Libertarians only exist in fantasy land. I see most who say they're Libertarian vote republican, but not identifying as a republican gives them an out.PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
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But wanting government intervention isn't party bound. I see people in all three realms defer to government, depending on the issue. It's adhering to outdated labels and stereotypes that says one group wants more government than the other.PJPOWER said:
Most libertarians I know are independent minded folks that feel that they can better regulate themselves and their day to day lives by making their own decisions than being overly dependent on government. Although today's republicans are definitely not totally small government minded in every aspect, they are way closer than democrats. I believe that some government oversight is needed in certain areas, but am overall against big brother intrusiveness in as many ways as is possible. Fantasy land is believing that big brother is going to solve all of your problems and has your best interests at mind...because big brother is never corrupt.Go Beavers said:PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
It seems like a valid observation to me. Libertarians only exist in fantasy land. I see most who say they're Libertarian vote republican, but not identifying as a republican gives them an out.PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
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Based on your voting behavior, why not just call yourself s liberal? 80% vs 5%? Why identify with just the 5%?jeffbr said:
Maybe you need to get out more. I identify as a small 'l' libertarian. I voted 80% Democrat, 15% Republican and 5% Libertarian or other this past election. I know plenty of people like me. I also know several Libertarians who are as you describe. Your rush to neatly package people with whom you disagree betrays your ability to be even slightly objective.Go Beavers said:PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
It seems like a valid observation to me. Libertarians only exist in fantasy land. I see most who say they're Libertarian vote republican, but not identifying as a republican gives them an out.PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
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Because my options are a bit limited since we're a pretty solid 2 party country. I won't identify as a Democrat or a Republican because I think neither party has the ability to objectively look at issues. Everything is polarized and entrenched. If I had more 3rd party choices down ballot, I'd likely be making them.Go Beavers said:
Based on your voting behavior, why not just call yourself s liberal? 80% vs 5%? Why identify with just the 5%?jeffbr said:
Maybe you need to get out more. I identify as a small 'l' libertarian. I voted 80% Democrat, 15% Republican and 5% Libertarian or other this past election. I know plenty of people like me. I also know several Libertarians who are as you describe. Your rush to neatly package people with whom you disagree betrays your ability to be even slightly objective.Go Beavers said:PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
It seems like a valid observation to me. Libertarians only exist in fantasy land. I see most who say they're Libertarian vote republican, but not identifying as a republican gives them an out.PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
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in canada, democrats/liberals tend to hike taxes on everyone and spend AF, but no one seems to know where the money goes. most on the right complain it's because of too much government; too many perks for those in government, etc. the democrat I spoke of ran on the promise he would never increase the provincial sales tax, and what did the fucker do? he raised the provincial sales tax by 1%, and before he did that, he changed the goddamn law that allowed him to do so without a public referendum. he had 6 of his own cabinet ministers band together and try to overthrow him. they failed and were dismissed. it was ridiculous.Go Beavers said:I'm always curious what people really mean when they say their fiscally conservative. In the US, most people I hear who say that are voting republican, which fiscally means tax cuts and increased spending which leads to bigger deficit spending. Not really fiscally conservative to me. They seem to imply that liberals are somehow fiscally irresponsible.
libs/dems tend to create committees out the ying yang, spend tonnes of money on meeting and travelling and consulting, while the conservatives get shit done. The problem is, I don't always like what that shit is.Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
I see this happening with a lot of politicians, regardless of party affiliation.0
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Good read here. I wish I were talented enough for people to pay me to write for a living.
NOW IS THE TIME TO TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT
Now is the time to counter lies with facts, repeatedly and unflaggingly, while also proclaiming the greater truths: of our equal humanity, of decency, of compassion. Every precious ideal must be reiterated, every obvious argument made, because an ugly idea left unchallenged begins to turn the color of normal. It does not have to be like this.0 -
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/309019-bob-doles-law-firm-was-paid-20000-per-month-by-taiwan
Jesus Christ already? Drain the swamp and scoop up the shit at the bottom.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
DJT: Boeing is building a brand new 747 Air Force One for future presidents, but costs are out of control, more than $4 billion. Cancel order!0
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lol this fits the Bafoon himself !PJPOWER said:
Sorry, wasn't pointing to liberals as a whole. Edited my comment. It is my observation, however, that those that feel the need to brag about their intelligence are often those that have the least. It is a typical narcissistic personality trait that correlates with low self-esteem and high need for validation from others. Saw this many times while providing counseling throughout the years. But don't take my word for it, it is just a personal observation.HughFreakingDillon said:jesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
This sounds exactly like the POTUS elect.PJPOWER said:
Sorry, wasn't pointing to liberals as a whole. Edited my comment. It is my observation, however, that those that feel the need to brag about their intelligence are often those that have the least. It is a typical narcissistic personality trait that correlates with low self-esteem and high need for validation from others. Saw this many times while providing counseling throughout the years. But don't take my word for it, it is just a personal observation.HughFreakingDillon said:0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
I don't know. I am fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I vote (in Canada, however) almost always left. i have voted right and Green in the past, but mostly left.
then when the left has destroyed the economy I vote right. which is what I did this time (provincially).
ha...had a discussion last night on FB with some people in which one of my friends who voted T. said the same thing, fiscally conservative but socially liberal. I asked for explanation and he said likes cardio and weights...
anyway, don't we all want to be fiscally conservative? What does it mean exactly? Lower taxes? Lower spending?
oh and ha...i read GoBeavers response...obviously us liberals are basically huddling into our bubblePost edited by vaggar99 on0 -
Most libertarians I've seen commenting, here and elsewhere, simply don't know what a huge chunk of the Libertarian platform stands for. They go for the "stay out of my personal affairs" thing wholeheartedly, but ignore or are completely ignorant to the fact that the party wants the free market to dictate certain things that NEED government regulation. So they like half the platform, but fail to acknowledge how incredibly dangerous the other half of it could be for them.PJPOWER said:
Most libertarians I know are independent minded folks that feel that they can better regulate themselves and their day to day lives by making their own decisions than being overly dependent on government. Although today's republicans are definitely not totally small government minded in every aspect, they are way closer than democrats. I believe that some government oversight is needed in certain areas, but am overall against big brother intrusiveness in as many ways as is possible. Fantasy land is believing that big brother is going to solve all of your problems and has your best interests at mind...because big brother is never corrupt. If a libertarian candidate had a chance in hell of winning, I would have voted for them, but instead I voted for the party with less of the big government pushers...Go Beavers said:PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
It seems like a valid observation to me. Libertarians only exist in fantasy land. I see most who say they're Libertarian vote republican, but not identifying as a republican gives them an out.PJPOWER said:
^^^A perfect example of the low intelligence anomaly on the liberal side!vaggar99 said:Isn't a libertarian just someone who votes Republican but never wants to admit it?
Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0 -
my biased opinion is that in the US, the Dems are the only ones who get things done. The Republicans tend to just sit with their arms crossed like sad old ladies. Maybe T. will change that....i actually have a small hope for that believe it or notHughFreakingDillon said:
in canada, democrats/liberals tend to hike taxes on everyone and spend AF, but no one seems to know where the money goes. most on the right complain it's because of too much government; too many perks for those in government, etc. the democrat I spoke of ran on the promise he would never increase the provincial sales tax, and what did the fucker do? he raised the provincial sales tax by 1%, and before he did that, he changed the goddamn law that allowed him to do so without a public referendum. he had 6 of his own cabinet ministers band together and try to overthrow him. they failed and were dismissed. it was ridiculous.Go Beavers said:I'm always curious what people really mean when they say their fiscally conservative. In the US, most people I hear who say that are voting republican, which fiscally means tax cuts and increased spending which leads to bigger deficit spending. Not really fiscally conservative to me. They seem to imply that liberals are somehow fiscally irresponsible.
libs/dems tend to create committees out the ying yang, spend tonnes of money on meeting and travelling and consulting, while the conservatives get shit done. The problem is, I don't always like what that shit is.0 -
Kid Rock has a line of Trump clothing ...
metrotimes.com/Blogs/archives/2016/12/05/kid-rock-embarrasses-himself-with-a-line-of-trump-themed-merchandiseBe Excellent To Each OtherParty On, Dudes!0 -
Kid rock is an embarrassment to rock just like asshole Nugent I put both of these idiots in the same boat ...Jason P said:Kid Rock has a line of Trump clothing ...
metrotimes.com/Blogs/archives/2016/12/05/kid-rock-embarrasses-himself-with-a-line-of-trump-themed-merchandisejesus greets me looks just like me ....0 -
all you have to do is listen to their music to know they are both tools.josevolution said:
Kid rock is an embarrassment to rock just like asshole Nugent I put both of these idiots in the same boat ...Jason P said:Kid Rock has a line of Trump clothing ...
metrotimes.com/Blogs/archives/2016/12/05/kid-rock-embarrasses-himself-with-a-line-of-trump-themed-merchandiseHugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall0 -
pathetic insults. no content, no progress. just shoot a gun and wave your dick in the air.Jason P said:Kid Rock has a line of Trump clothing ...
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http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/309065-trump-gave-direct-order-to-remove-flynns-son-from-transition-report
Trump personally axed Flynn's son for spreading the dumbass Podesta email bullshit.Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt20 -
A lot of generalizations about Canadian politics in this quote. You may want to clarify here and point out that this one particular government in one province in our country.HughFreakingDillon said:
in canada, democrats/liberals tend to hike taxes on everyone and spend AF, but no one seems to know where the money goes. most on the right complain it's because of too much government; too many perks for those in government, etc. the democrat I spoke of ran on the promise he would never increase the provincial sales tax, and what did the fucker do? he raised the provincial sales tax by 1%, and before he did that, he changed the goddamn law that allowed him to do so without a public referendum. he had 6 of his own cabinet ministers band together and try to overthrow him. they failed and were dismissed. it was ridiculous.Go Beavers said:I'm always curious what people really mean when they say their fiscally conservative. In the US, most people I hear who say that are voting republican, which fiscally means tax cuts and increased spending which leads to bigger deficit spending. Not really fiscally conservative to me. They seem to imply that liberals are somehow fiscally irresponsible.
libs/dems tend to create committees out the ying yang, spend tonnes of money on meeting and travelling and consulting, while the conservatives get shit done. The problem is, I don't always like what that shit is.
http://www.iedm.org/files/note0413_en.pdf
In reality, there is no systematic relation, for any of the
three governments, between the left-wing or right-wing
ideologies of the parties in power and the evolution of public
spending as a share of GDP. In all three cases, it is actually
left-wing governments that most reduced the relative size of
government, and in one of the three cases (the United States),
it is a right-wing government that most increased it.
In sum, we cannot presume that a party of the left that
gets into power will necessarily increase the relative size of
government or that a part of the right will certainly reduce
it, nor can we assume that a current or past government has
made decisions in accordance with these expectations. This
observation allows us to draw two lessons regarding public
policy debates.0
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