Who's The Fear Mongerer Now?

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  • Merkin Baller
    Merkin Baller Posts: 12,818
    edited November 2016
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  • lbpeltz
    lbpeltz Posts: 110
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    InHiding80 said:

    lbpeltz said:


    InHiding80 said:

    You are.

    There, I won the argument with two words against your many fact free words. Have fun with Cheney 2.0, klansman.

    Klansman? I mean, I understand we are airing our thoughts on the website forums of a rock and roll band and not a more formal setting, but this, sir, is pattently untrue. I don't think anything I've said begets a response like this, and I can assure you, the person I am does not either.

    I sat down two weeks before the election with four people whom I represent, all undocumented, all hard working, two with families and all four seriously injured as a result of a car accident. I spoke with them about how they and their community felt about a possible Trump nomination, utter terror. I went home and thought of them all night, near tears. We have to make tought decisions, I assure you that the decision to vote for Donald Trump was hard on many, and yes, easy for a racist faction. The thing is, you don't have the right to call be a racist, biggot and xenophobe, not me and not anyone else based solely on how they voted. I have no hate in my heart and you don't have the right to try to plant it their either.
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    Facts in a single meme over not a single one in a triple letter paragraph. Thanks for proving my point, deplorable.
    Facts? Where have you given me a fact here?
  • lbpeltz
    lbpeltz Posts: 110
    InHiding80 said:

    You are.

    There, I won the argument with two words against your many fact free words. Have fun with Cheney 2.0, klansman.

    InHiding80 said:

    You are.

    There, I won the argument with two words against your many fact free words. Have fun with Cheney 2.0, klansman.

    Or here
  • lbpeltz
    lbpeltz Posts: 110
    InHiding80 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    come to find out the Deplorables are liberals and democrats...burning the flag and once again rioting...i think we need to fear you more than we need to fear anyone who voted Trump

    these sore losers are no different than the people they accused of being deplorable

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WlWmCXihec4
    Or here
  • lbpeltz
    lbpeltz Posts: 110
    InHiding80 said:



    Merkin Baller said:

    Republicans were LITERALLY calling for acts of civil disobedience should Trump lose, now they're upset that the other side is protesting.

    Makes sense.

    He's Rocky Mountain stupid.
    Or here.


    I don't see you trying to be anything but inflammatory.

  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
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  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    CM189191 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    imagine the fear going to work and your company telling you this...talk about fear mongering

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-says-employees-who-agree-with-trumps-rhetoric-should-resign.html

    why shouldn't you be able to fire someone for their political views? that's not a protected class.
    Yet another example of that conservatives have a reason to fear liberals and proof that liberals are more intolerant. Liberals think that "taking their country back" is code for racism. They couldn't be more wrong. It is about liberals who want to fire you for not thinking what they think. It is hearing stories about the US flag being deemed offensive and banned from schools, and then seeing it burned after the election. It is the church being constantly under attack and being belittled for believing in religion (if you ask Haiti I would be they are more thankful for the churches sending aid workers than the Clinton Foundation). It is having to listen to people on the coasts belittle them as hillbillies. It is the corporations in Silicon Valley who have way too much influence in politics. They see the elite going to globalist meetings and returning with trade deals and other arrangements that only help the few at the top. Sure, it is also tax dollars they've worked hard for paying for services to illegal immigrants when their town and state's infrastructure crumbles, schools go unfunded and their paycheck decreases each year.
  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    How much longer are we going to have look at stupid memes? Are there any more smug people than those that create sarcastic memes?
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    bootlegger10 said:

    How much longer are we going to have look at stupid memes? Are there any more smug people than those that create sarcastic memes?

    It's how many angry people try to communicate on the web. Some people use the same meme words but just change the picture over and over again.
    No one understands this phenomenon.
    Some even consider it trolling for lack of other things to fulfill their daily time w/.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    bootlegger10 said:

    CM189191 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    imagine the fear going to work and your company telling you this...talk about fear mongering

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-says-employees-who-agree-with-trumps-rhetoric-should-resign.html

    why shouldn't you be able to fire someone for their political views? that's not a protected class.
    Yet another example of that conservatives have a reason to fear liberals and proof that liberals are more intolerant. Liberals think that "taking their country back" is code for racism. They couldn't be more wrong. It is about liberals who want to fire you for not thinking what they think. It is hearing stories about the US flag being deemed offensive and banned from schools, and then seeing it burned after the election. It is the church being constantly under attack and being belittled for believing in religion (if you ask Haiti I would be they are more thankful for the churches sending aid workers than the Clinton Foundation). It is having to listen to people on the coasts belittle them as hillbillies. It is the corporations in Silicon Valley who have way too much influence in politics. They see the elite going to globalist meetings and returning with trade deals and other arrangements that only help the few at the top. Sure, it is also tax dollars they've worked hard for paying for services to illegal immigrants when their town and state's infrastructure crumbles, schools go unfunded and their paycheck decreases each year.
    i have had enough of people talking in generalities like this. i can't imagine anyone, besides maybe the poster you were responding to, believing it is ok to fire someone for their political beliefs. that's bullshit.

    some individuals may think this way. some may be liberals, some may be conservatives. liberals, generally as a group, do not fucking think this way. claiming otherwise is bullshit. utter bullshit. i can't imagine conservatives, in generap, do either.

    stop your liberal hating fear mongering. it is so incredibly false, it's difficult to even articulate it properly.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    the church under attack. that's rich. my homophobic bigoted brother claimed the same thing. "but it's my beliefs", yeah, your beliefs are bigoted. all fags go to hell. what a nice, uplifting message to teach your children.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • bootlegger10
    bootlegger10 Posts: 16,263
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    CM189191 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    imagine the fear going to work and your company telling you this...talk about fear mongering

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-says-employees-who-agree-with-trumps-rhetoric-should-resign.html

    why shouldn't you be able to fire someone for their political views? that's not a protected class.
    Yet another example of that conservatives have a reason to fear liberals and proof that liberals are more intolerant. Liberals think that "taking their country back" is code for racism. They couldn't be more wrong. It is about liberals who want to fire you for not thinking what they think. It is hearing stories about the US flag being deemed offensive and banned from schools, and then seeing it burned after the election. It is the church being constantly under attack and being belittled for believing in religion (if you ask Haiti I would be they are more thankful for the churches sending aid workers than the Clinton Foundation). It is having to listen to people on the coasts belittle them as hillbillies. It is the corporations in Silicon Valley who have way too much influence in politics. They see the elite going to globalist meetings and returning with trade deals and other arrangements that only help the few at the top. Sure, it is also tax dollars they've worked hard for paying for services to illegal immigrants when their town and state's infrastructure crumbles, schools go unfunded and their paycheck decreases each year.
    i have had enough of people talking in generalities like this. i can't imagine anyone, besides maybe the poster you were responding to, believing it is ok to fire someone for their political beliefs. that's bullshit.

    some individuals may think this way. some may be liberals, some may be conservatives. liberals, generally as a group, do not fucking think this way. claiming otherwise is bullshit. utter bullshit. i can't imagine conservatives, in generap, do either.

    stop your liberal hating fear mongering. it is so incredibly false, it's difficult to even articulate it properly.
    You know, I might be able to agree with you if there weren't so many damn examples in the last three days supporting my conclusion.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    bootlegger10 said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    bootlegger10 said:

    CM189191 said:

    pjalive21 said:

    imagine the fear going to work and your company telling you this...talk about fear mongering

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/11/10/boss-says-employees-who-agree-with-trumps-rhetoric-should-resign.html

    why shouldn't you be able to fire someone for their political views? that's not a protected class.
    Yet another example of that conservatives have a reason to fear liberals and proof that liberals are more intolerant. Liberals think that "taking their country back" is code for racism. They couldn't be more wrong. It is about liberals who want to fire you for not thinking what they think. It is hearing stories about the US flag being deemed offensive and banned from schools, and then seeing it burned after the election. It is the church being constantly under attack and being belittled for believing in religion (if you ask Haiti I would be they are more thankful for the churches sending aid workers than the Clinton Foundation). It is having to listen to people on the coasts belittle them as hillbillies. It is the corporations in Silicon Valley who have way too much influence in politics. They see the elite going to globalist meetings and returning with trade deals and other arrangements that only help the few at the top. Sure, it is also tax dollars they've worked hard for paying for services to illegal immigrants when their town and state's infrastructure crumbles, schools go unfunded and their paycheck decreases each year.
    i have had enough of people talking in generalities like this. i can't imagine anyone, besides maybe the poster you were responding to, believing it is ok to fire someone for their political beliefs. that's bullshit.

    some individuals may think this way. some may be liberals, some may be conservatives. liberals, generally as a group, do not fucking think this way. claiming otherwise is bullshit. utter bullshit. i can't imagine conservatives, in generap, do either.

    stop your liberal hating fear mongering. it is so incredibly false, it's difficult to even articulate it properly.
    You know, I might be able to agree with you if there weren't so many damn examples in the last three days supporting my conclusion.
    so what you are saying then, to me, is the equivalent of me saying there's a damn good argument for all republicans being racist shitheads, based solely from what i read on amt the last 8 years. do you believe that to be true?

    people are upset. people are even a little scared. you can't take an honest sampling of opinion during a time like this. no more than you could when gwb began his second term. or when obama started his. people are emotional. there's a lot of shit from the left i am not agreeing with, like all this whining about the electoral college. wait. it's only a problem, because hillary lost, right? "no, that's not what we're saying! it's just not fair". sounds the same as trump's rigged election bullshit.

    but all this divisiveness on both sides isn't fucking helping. "the libs do this, the conservatives do that". it's like a fucking sandbox in here. and it needs to stop.
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    Hugh your right...maybe there should be no political discussions here...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,758
    lukin2006 said:

    Hugh your right...maybe there should be no political discussions here...

    sometimes there can be actual adult conversations. not lately, though. some people only care about "winning", which doesn't even make sense to me.

    aren't we all losing here?
    By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.




  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    This might hurt going in...

    The nightmares liberals have over Trump are nothing compared to the dictatorships they forced others to live under

    http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2016/11/spoiled-americans-flee-created-161110075835725.html
  • whoanelly15
    whoanelly15 Posts: 742
    Well-written article with some interesting takes on our political socialization and immaturity, but I do take exception to a number of these points. Mainly because, like so many articles I'm reading this week, it paints with such a broad brush. I can only speak personally, but isn't that the point? Generalizing language like this that lumps people into large groups and projects the beliefs/voting tendencies of others onto the individual is dangerous, especially when based on skin color, gender, state of residence or sexuality. I'd like to hear more constructive commentary from thoughtful individuals, whether they look like me or not and whether they voted the way I did or not. Whatever your perspective, what are WE doing to make our country a better place to live? How are we making the world a safer place?

    Obviously, people in other parts of the world have suffered unimaginable atrocities, under horrible dictators - hopefully, far worse than any Americans will under Donald Trump. That's not the issue and it's not what this is about. Again, personally, I am disappointed because I don't believe that Trump's policies will mean progress for our county or our world. I'm also concerned that as a leader, he doesn't have the qualities that are representative of the best that America has to offer. Truly, I feel that he is among the worst things that we could possibly export to the rest of the world. I am afraid that he will drive the US further from being the goal of being an integral partner in peace to other countries and people around the world. That is my dream, and today, in these United States, I believe we should expect more from our leadership.

    The author also draws a comparison between Syrian refugees and Americans "threatening" to leave. The comparison is unfair for many reasons, especially considering the violence and injustices that Syrians are fleeing. For Syrians, this is a matter of escape. For those of us Americans who have the ability to leave, it's a choice. I have the means to live elsewhere and I know where I would go. I am able to weigh the options and make an informed decision regarding the quality of my life and the security of my future. No one else has the right to criticize me for that decision. People make decisions like this all the time when they take a new job, change careers or buy a home.

    Trump being elected is polarizing, but let's remind ourselves that this is not happening in a vacuum. Many factors, events, policy decisions, previous elections, economic and cultural changes have led to this point. Literally, all of history led us to this point. However, for me, this one event - although it is a single event, marks a significant step in the wrong direction. His proposed policies on the issues that are most important to me - gun control, climate change and social inequality - are so, so far apart that it's hard to see a compromise. And if I'm being honest, I'm just shocked by the fact that 59 million of my fellow countrymen could align themselves with this individual and his stance on these topics. I'm equally shocked that over 100 million more didn't even care enough to cast a vote. What all this means to me is that this one event marks a significant turning point in our history and I now have serious doubts about my future in this country. I'll add that I am not a racial or ethnic minority as I was when I lived abroad in the past. I can only imagine the insecurity that other people and families of a minority background are feeling right now.

    Einstein (pretty smart guy) said that peace can't be kept by force, only by understanding. He also said that the governments of the world won't give peace to their people until we want it desperately enough. It's 2016 - if we can't see by now that what is good for our fellow man or woman down the street, in a neighboring state, country or hemisphere, then what hope do we have?

    Sorry it was long. Thanks for reading.
  • tbergs
    tbergs Posts: 10,458
    whoanelly15 said:

    Well-written article with some interesting takes on our political socialization and immaturity, but I do take exception to a number of these points. Mainly because, like so many articles I'm reading this week, it paints with such a broad brush. I can only speak personally, but isn't that the point? Generalizing language like this that lumps people into large groups and projects the beliefs/voting tendencies of others onto the individual is dangerous, especially when based on skin color, gender, state of residence or sexuality. I'd like to hear more constructive commentary from thoughtful individuals, whether they look like me or not and whether they voted the way I did or not. Whatever your perspective, what are WE doing to make our country a better place to live? How are we making the world a safer place?

    Obviously, people in other parts of the world have suffered unimaginable atrocities, under horrible dictators - hopefully, far worse than any Americans will under Donald Trump. That's not the issue and it's not what this is about. Again, personally, I am disappointed because I don't believe that Trump's policies will mean progress for our county or our world. I'm also concerned that as a leader, he doesn't have the qualities that are representative of the best that America has to offer. Truly, I feel that he is among the worst things that we could possibly export to the rest of the world. I am afraid that he will drive the US further from being the goal of being an integral partner in peace to other countries and people around the world. That is my dream, and today, in these United States, I believe we should expect more from our leadership.

    The author also draws a comparison between Syrian refugees and Americans "threatening" to leave. The comparison is unfair for many reasons, especially considering the violence and injustices that Syrians are fleeing. For Syrians, this is a matter of escape. For those of us Americans who have the ability to leave, it's a choice. I have the means to live elsewhere and I know where I would go. I am able to weigh the options and make an informed decision regarding the quality of my life and the security of my future. No one else has the right to criticize me for that decision. People make decisions like this all the time when they take a new job, change careers or buy a home.

    Trump being elected is polarizing, but let's remind ourselves that this is not happening in a vacuum. Many factors, events, policy decisions, previous elections, economic and cultural changes have led to this point. Literally, all of history led us to this point. However, for me, this one event - although it is a single event, marks a significant step in the wrong direction. His proposed policies on the issues that are most important to me - gun control, climate change and social inequality - are so, so far apart that it's hard to see a compromise. And if I'm being honest, I'm just shocked by the fact that 59 million of my fellow countrymen could align themselves with this individual and his stance on these topics. I'm equally shocked that over 100 million more didn't even care enough to cast a vote. What all this means to me is that this one event marks a significant turning point in our history and I now have serious doubts about my future in this country. I'll add that I am not a racial or ethnic minority as I was when I lived abroad in the past. I can only imagine the insecurity that other people and families of a minority background are feeling right now.

    Einstein (pretty smart guy) said that peace can't be kept by force, only by understanding. He also said that the governments of the world won't give peace to their people until we want it desperately enough. It's 2016 - if we can't see by now that what is good for our fellow man or woman down the street, in a neighboring state, country or hemisphere, then what hope do we have?

    Sorry it was long. Thanks for reading.

    Really good post and great points. Those are exactly the same things I've been discussing with my wife. I don't need anyone telling me to stay calm, I am calm. What I am, is disappointed with our country and the fact that we have elected a man who has only ever cared about making money for himself no matter what the cost or corners cut to make a buck.

    It's astounding to think he received 60 million votes, but it's even more astounding to think barely 50% of the country voted! That's really why he won. I'm proud to say that the fine state of MN did our part at about 75%, which still isn't where it should be and should be at least that in every state.

    I can't imagine feeling like I needed to move out of the country because of fear for loss of human rights. That is not what our country should be regressing towards. We have a friend who is in an interracial relationship and she talked about some of the fears she was feeling because they are taking a road trip to Texas (from Minnesota) and would be passing through some of the biggest supporting states in the country. She wasn't being irrational or over reacting about it, but just expressing the uncertainty they felt and the challenges they could encounter. No, not every Trump supporter thinks that way, but it makes you wonder if there is less tolerance than what has been portrayed. It's not an issue I have to contemplate, but it is disparaging. The other big fear, is the impact on our environment and the respect we command at an international level. This election result erodes that even if Trump can pull himself together and learn respect, humility and integrity once he takes the oath.

    One thing should be clear, this election has got to be the tipping point for American politics and elections. Changes must be made to stop the 2 party stranglehold.
    It's a hopeless situation...
  • PJfanwillneverleave1
    PJfanwillneverleave1 Posts: 12,885
    ^^^
    Changes have to made to the 2 party stranglehold?
    Why?
    I thought in your country Republicans never win an election and they are just fodder for Democrats.
  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,517
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    lukin2006 said:

    Hugh your right...maybe there should be no political discussions here...

    sometimes there can be actual adult conversations. not lately, though. some people only care about "winning", which doesn't even make sense to me.

    aren't we all losing here?
    Yes we are
    There seems to be a lot of people espousing a rhetoric of fear, hate, and ignorance post election.
    And a lot of fear, hate, and ignorance on here as well.

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