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  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    I'm not worried about Syria. He isn't invading that country not does that country's current leadership want us to stop their relationship, such as it is. My concern is the Ukraine. He had already taken sovereign territory. What's next?

    I don't know, but the last time the US really took a stand because they were worried about the domino effect, the Vietnam War happened.
    I don't think the Domino Theory is a fair comparison. That was to stop the spread of a specific system of government. The Ukraine is sovereign and part of NATO. We have a treaty in place to support NATO nations from the aggression of the USSR/Russian government. The Ukraine is not seeking to change their system of government and we are not seeking to stop them. We have placed sanctions on Russia due to the illegal conquest of territory that doesn't belong to Russia. The Ukraine government wants Crimea back. It's theirs.
    Ukraine isn't in NATO.
    Good point. But they are at a tipping point of going east or west. I want them to go west.
    But at what cost, right? That has to the question. In the long run, it might actually be better for the US and its allies for it to go east. (or not, lol)
    I'm openly biased on this question. The Ukraine has people and resources that have been exploited for 500 years by Russia. I'm not advocating for war, but I am for heavy sanctions should they continue their move. Someone has to check Russia.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,759
    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    I'm not worried about Syria. He isn't invading that country not does that country's current leadership want us to stop their relationship, such as it is. My concern is the Ukraine. He had already taken sovereign territory. What's next?

    I don't know, but the last time the US really took a stand because they were worried about the domino effect, the Vietnam War happened.
    I don't think the Domino Theory is a fair comparison. That was to stop the spread of a specific system of government. The Ukraine is sovereign and part of NATO. We have a treaty in place to support NATO nations from the aggression of the USSR/Russian government. The Ukraine is not seeking to change their system of government and we are not seeking to stop them. We have placed sanctions on Russia due to the illegal conquest of territory that doesn't belong to Russia. The Ukraine government wants Crimea back. It's theirs.
    Ukraine isn't in NATO.
    Good point. But they are at a tipping point of going east or west. I want them to go west.
    But at what cost, right? That has to the question. In the long run, it might actually be better for the US and its allies for it to go east. (or not, lol)
    I'm openly biased on this question. The Ukraine has people and resources that have been exploited for 500 years by Russia. I'm not advocating for war, but I am for heavy sanctions should they continue their move. Someone has to check Russia.
    Well, or not. ;) Of course if you are specifically advocating tor the Ukraine this is an easier question. But I'm not. I'm advocating for the best option overall for the most amount of people/nations.... and I don't know if "checking Russia" when it comes to the Crimea, Ukraine, and Syria is the best option overall for the most amount of people/nations.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    BS44325 said:

    mrussel1 said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    mrussel1 said:

    I'm not worried about Syria. He isn't invading that country not does that country's current leadership want us to stop their relationship, such as it is. My concern is the Ukraine. He had already taken sovereign territory. What's next?

    I don't know, but the last time the US really took a stand because they were worried about the domino effect, the Vietnam War happened.
    I don't think the Domino Theory is a fair comparison. That was to stop the spread of a specific system of government. The Ukraine is sovereign and part of NATO. We have a treaty in place to support NATO nations from the aggression of the USSR/Russian government. The Ukraine is not seeking to change their system of government and we are not seeking to stop them. We have placed sanctions on Russia due to the illegal conquest of territory that doesn't belong to Russia. The Ukraine government wants Crimea back. It's theirs.
    Ukraine isn't in NATO.
    Good point. But they are at a tipping point of going east or west. I want them to go west.
    But at what cost, right? That has to the question. In the long run, it might actually be better for the US and its allies for it to go east. (or not, lol)
    I'm openly biased on this question. The Ukraine has people and resources that have been exploited for 500 years by Russia. I'm not advocating for war, but I am for heavy sanctions should they continue their move. Someone has to check Russia.
    Well, or not. ;) Of course if you are specifically advocating tor the Ukraine this is an easier question. But I'm not. I'm advocating for the best option overall for the most amount of people/nations.... and I don't know if "checking Russia" when it comes to the Crimea, Ukraine, and Syria is the best option overall for the most amount of people/nations.
    We are all biased towards our people. If I was Jewish I'd probably be more sympathetic to Israel.
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    edited October 2016
    http://mobile.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN12R1W6

    "Hysteria has been whipped up," said Putin.

    He said that was a ruse to cover up for the fact that the U.S. political elite had nothing to say about serious issues such as the country's national debt or gun control.

    U.S. IS "GREAT POWER"

    "It's much simpler to distract people with so-called Russian hackers, spies, and agents of influence. Does anyone really think that Russia could influence the American people's choice in any way? Is America a banana republic or what? America is a great power."
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  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    What is happening on the eastern border of europe is the most dangerous thing happening in the world right now. The margin of error here in avoiding full scale disaster is very small.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,784
    Trump loves Putin !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mookeywrench
    mookeywrench Posts: 6,080
    Bump to get open threads on page 1
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    Ahhhhh the good old Balkans. Things always go well over there.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BALKANS_MILITARY_DRILLS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-31-12-14-05

    To quote Salman Rushdie "Come on America. Focus."
  • mrussel1
    mrussel1 Posts: 30,918
    BS44325 said:

    Ahhhhh the good old Balkans. Things always go well over there.

    http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/E/EU_BALKANS_MILITARY_DRILLS?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-10-31-12-14-05

    To quote Salman Rushdie "Come on America. Focus."

    Always the tinderbox... for 1000 years now.
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    Ol' Putin gave Steven Seagal russian citizenship! Now's our chance to lock the doors on him.
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    edited November 2016
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    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
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    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
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    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    Fed chair manipulates stock prices, interest rates and the dollar. Clintons accept millions in failed pay to play scheme.
    Politics and business as usual.

    Russia Russia Russia jails it's economy minister for accepting bribes.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2016/nov/15/russia-economy-minister-detained-over-alleged-2m-bribe?
  • JC29856
    JC29856 Posts: 9,617
    I'm all for an investigation, I would like to see proof from the 17 different security departments that claim Russia Russia Russia hacked our elections.

    Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) on Tuesday said he wants Senate hearings to investigate whether Russian President Vladimir Putin interfered in the U.S. election, casting doubts on President-elect Donald Trump’s desire to improve relations with Russia.

    “Assuming for a moment that we do believe that the Russian government was controlling outside organizations that hacked into our election, they should be punished,” Graham told reporters on Capitol Hill. “Putin should be punished.”
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Putin just picked the president
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    my2hands said:

    Putin just picked the president

    It just show's how great Trump is...It took about 75 years for somebody to finally get the left to be hawkish on Russia!
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,784
    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Putin just picked the president

    It just show's how great Trump is...It took about 75 years for somebody to finally get the left to be hawkish on Russia!
    Nice so what's next for your Russia to influence here in America? And you thought Sharia law was invading America !
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • BS44325
    BS44325 Posts: 6,124
    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Putin just picked the president

    It just show's how great Trump is...It took about 75 years for somebody to finally get the left to be hawkish on Russia!
    Nice so what's next for your Russia to influence here in America? And you thought Sharia law was invading America !
    Now it's time to push back.
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,784
    BS44325 said:

    josevolution said:

    BS44325 said:

    my2hands said:

    Putin just picked the president

    It just show's how great Trump is...It took about 75 years for somebody to finally get the left to be hawkish on Russia!
    Nice so what's next for your Russia to influence here in America? And you thought Sharia law was invading America !
    Now it's time to push back.
    Yes against Bafoon I'll be pushing back for the next 4yrs
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....

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