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  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    oftenreading said:

    I'm curious about the opinions of those posting in this thread about the strength of the evidence of medicinal marijuana's efficacy for different medical conditions. What do people thinks/believe about this? Do you think the evidence is good, fair, poor? Do people view the state of the evidence as important, or irrelevant?

    I think the state of evidence is fair. There are a million anecdotal stories about people treating various medical issues with marijuana. And there are some pretty clear demonstrations of its effectiveness in mitigating seizures, helping with nausea, and reducing the effects of chronic pain. But I only say "fair" because of the goddamned federal government keeping the drug listed as a schedule 1, and making testing and studies very difficult. I'd like to see many more actual scientific, peer reviewed studies done.

    Is the state of evidence important? I think so. Until we can move beyond the fear and reefer madness mentality, it remains legally difficult or dangerous for some to use, and the moral crusaders who only see it as an evil weed will continue to block its use for people who could certainly benefit. I'm really mostly recreational, so I am happy to enjoy it in the evenings much like I enjoy a beer, or glass of wine, or a bourbon. Whether or not it has medicinal benefits should be irrelevant in the legalization battle as long as alcohol, caffeine and nicotine are legal drugs, so I don't necessarily need medical studies to argue for legalization, but having definitive scientific proof of its efficacy certainly would strengthen any arguments for legalization.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • fife
    fife Posts: 3,327
    oftenreading said:

    I'm curious about the opinions of those posting in this thread about the strength of the evidence of medicinal marijuana's efficacy for different medical conditions. What do people thinks/believe about this? Do you think the evidence is good, fair, poor? Do people view the state of the evidence as important, or irrelevant?

    one of the challenges while looking at evidence is that there is a lack due to funding of studies. however, from all the evidence i have read which is quite a lot i think it is better then good. far better than good. evidence is very important as we are dealing with health issues and you always want to make sure that the drugs that people are using are good. for me and alot of professionals i work with, marijuna is one of the best drugs that they know about for many medical issues.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,692
    oftenreading said:

    I'm curious about the opinions of those posting in this thread about the strength of the evidence of medicinal marijuana's efficacy for different medical conditions. What do people thinks/believe about this? Do you think the evidence is good, fair, poor? Do people view the state of the evidence as important, or irrelevant?

    I have a medical card, and while of course I use it as a form of recreation too, it also does help me medically, and I have read enough about real life cases where the medical benefits are clear. Forget about studies by doctors, etc. Just look at the before and after for patients who start using it, i.e. multiple seizures a day to no seizures a day once they started using medical marijuana. That is proof to me - good evidence (on top of the fact that I use it medically and it helps me). But in the end, no, I don't find proof very relevant in a practical sense, since it should be available for all kinds of use. I don't think medical efficacy should be a part of the legalization puzzle at all.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    Hopefully this incident, which is obviously ridiculous, helps paint the picture to the voters in November of what's on the ballot...
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/10/17/ohio-mom-allegedly-finds-deep-fried-marijuana-in-daughters-wendys-french-fries/

    sooooo a little weed or a oil soaked potato sliver ? even I have to admit the kid might have been better off with the weed LOL !!!!
    stoned at work is never good especially if you work in the food service industry.

    Godfather.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    Godfather. said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/10/17/ohio-mom-allegedly-finds-deep-fried-marijuana-in-daughters-wendys-french-fries/

    sooooo a little weed or a oil soaked potato sliver ? even I have to admit the kid might have been better off with the weed LOL !!!!
    stoned at work is never good especially if you work in the food service industry.

    Godfather.

    Here's the deal, GF, it's easier to cut a square when you're stoned than it is a circle. Thus:

    image

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    brianlux said:

    Godfather. said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2016/10/17/ohio-mom-allegedly-finds-deep-fried-marijuana-in-daughters-wendys-french-fries/

    sooooo a little weed or a oil soaked potato sliver ? even I have to admit the kid might have been better off with the weed LOL !!!!
    stoned at work is never good especially if you work in the food service industry.

    Godfather.

    Here's the deal, GF, it's easier to cut a square when you're stoned than it is a circle. Thus:

    image

    LOL !!!!! agreed !

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,667
    Every citizen should be allowed to grow for personal use not saying grow to make $ but for personal use that is what I do , my harvest keeps me supplied all yr round no need to be spending $ on it anymore , let people grow would get rid of most of dealers selling for really high prices ...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    There's a part of me that believes marijuana should neither be legal nor illegal. I mean, how do you impart a human constructed law on a plant? It's A PLANT! What next? Will we make the sun legal or illegal???
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux said:

    There's a part of me that believes marijuana should neither be legal nor illegal. I mean, how do you impart a human constructed law on a plant? It's A PLANT! What next? Will we make the sun legal or illegal???

    You raise an excellent, I remember reading a few years back why big pharma has no interest in it and continues to lobby to keep the plant illegal is because they can not patten THC or the plant ... maybe this is true, seems to make sense. Wonder if dandelions will eventually be illegal, they are finding plenty of health benefits in dandelions as well...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,664
    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    There's a part of me that believes marijuana should neither be legal nor illegal. I mean, how do you impart a human constructed law on a plant? It's A PLANT! What next? Will we make the sun legal or illegal???

    You raise an excellent, I remember reading a few years back why big pharma has no interest in it and continues to lobby to keep the plant illegal is because they can not patten THC or the plant ... maybe this is true, seems to make sense. Wonder if dandelions will eventually be illegal, they are finding plenty of health benefits in dandelions as well...
    Wouldn't be surprised, Lukin. In fact, wasn't there an effort a while back to make vitamins difficult to purchase? I heard that from a woman who pretty much believes any conspiracy she hears so it might have just been bunk.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    brianlux said:

    lukin2006 said:

    brianlux said:

    There's a part of me that believes marijuana should neither be legal nor illegal. I mean, how do you impart a human constructed law on a plant? It's A PLANT! What next? Will we make the sun legal or illegal???

    You raise an excellent, I remember reading a few years back why big pharma has no interest in it and continues to lobby to keep the plant illegal is because they can not patten THC or the plant ... maybe this is true, seems to make sense. Wonder if dandelions will eventually be illegal, they are finding plenty of health benefits in dandelions as well...
    Wouldn't be surprised, Lukin. In fact, wasn't there an effort a while back to make vitamins difficult to purchase? I heard that from a woman who pretty much believes any conspiracy she hears so it might have just been bunk.
    I'm not sure about vitamins, wouldn't surprise me though...

    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • THE LOOK
    THE LOOK Posts: 324
    I don't partake but I support the legalization of marijuana 100%! It seems like many problems could be solved with legalization! Keep up the good fight!
    Bigfoot is blurry.
    - Mitch Hedberg
  • lukin2006
    lukin2006 Posts: 9,087
    THE LOOK said:

    I don't partake but I support the legalization of marijuana 100%! It seems like many problems could be solved with legalization! Keep up the good fight!

    Just think how much money could be saved just legalizing it and ending this silly war on drugs, especially the war on those who just partake in using ... just ridiculous...
    I have certain rules I live by ... My First Rule ... I don't believe anything the government tells me ... George Carlin

    "Life Is What Happens To You When Your Busy Making Other Plans" John Lennon
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    edited October 2016
    lukin2006 said:

    THE LOOK said:

    I don't partake but I support the legalization of marijuana 100%! It seems like many problems could be solved with legalization! Keep up the good fight!

    Just think how much money could be saved just legalizing it and ending this silly war on drugs, especially the war on those who just partake in using ... just ridiculous...
    And make plenty of room for those who deserve to serve serious time.

    And clear up court dockets for those who deserve to be tried for horrific acts.

    God knows it helps with my back shit, but it's also really nice to be buzzed and laughing my ass off at the Hamptons episode of Seinfeld right now.

    "maybe she's trying to create a buzz" right as I wrote that. You can't make this up =)

    *Apparently extra edits are required. Ha!
    Post edited by hedonist on
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,175
    i believe we shall.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    It would be nice to have some national leadership for this movement, but we're not going to get that with Obama, Clinton or Trump. They'll follow along afterward to proclaim their support, but only once it is a "safe" issue. Luckily there is too much momentum at this point for the feds to stop it. It is refreshing to see the will of the people win out over the feds.

    Good luck to AZ, CA, ME, NV & MA on your recreational MJ initiatives!
    Good luck to AR, FL, MT & ND on your medical MJ initiatives!
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • gimmesometruth27
    gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 24,175
    jeffbr said:

    It would be nice to have some national leadership for this movement, but we're not going to get that with Obama, Clinton or Trump. They'll follow along afterward to proclaim their support, but only once it is a "safe" issue. Luckily there is too much momentum at this point for the feds to stop it. It is refreshing to see the will of the people win out over the feds.

    Good luck to AZ, CA, ME, NV & MA on your recreational MJ initiatives!
    Good luck to AR, FL, MT & ND on your medical MJ initiatives!

    i think it kind of hurts the movement when the only candidate running on the issue is gary johnson.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    gimmesometruth27 said:

    jeffbr said:

    It would be nice to have some national leadership for this movement, but we're not going to get that with Obama, Clinton or Trump. They'll follow along afterward to proclaim their support, but only once it is a "safe" issue. Luckily there is too much momentum at this point for the feds to stop it. It is refreshing to see the will of the people win out over the feds.

    Good luck to AZ, CA, ME, NV & MA on your recreational MJ initiatives!
    Good luck to AR, FL, MT & ND on your medical MJ initiatives!

    i think it kind of hurts the movement when the only candidate running on the issue is gary johnson.
    Totally agree. The issue is much larger than just letting people toke up. It really goes to federal power, police power, illogical DEA classification of the plant, massive amount of $$$ spend on the war on drugs, overcrowded prisons filled with non-violent MJ offenders (at least Obama is helping lower these numbers with his pardons), crusaders legislating their narrow-minded morality, ignoring the will of the people in order to keep power and authority, power of big pharma lobbying, etc... It would be refreshing to see a major party national candidate grow a pair and run with this one.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • my2hands
    my2hands Posts: 17,117
    jeffbr said:

    gimmesometruth27 said:

    jeffbr said:

    It would be nice to have some national leadership for this movement, but we're not going to get that with Obama, Clinton or Trump. They'll follow along afterward to proclaim their support, but only once it is a "safe" issue. Luckily there is too much momentum at this point for the feds to stop it. It is refreshing to see the will of the people win out over the feds.

    Good luck to AZ, CA, ME, NV & MA on your recreational MJ initiatives!
    Good luck to AR, FL, MT & ND on your medical MJ initiatives!

    i think it kind of hurts the movement when the only candidate running on the issue is gary johnson.
    Totally agree. The issue is much larger than just letting people toke up. It really goes to federal power, police power, illogical DEA classification of the plant, massive amount of $$$ spend on the war on drugs, overcrowded prisons filled with non-violent MJ offenders (at least Obama is helping lower these numbers with his pardons), crusaders legislating their narrow-minded morality, ignoring the will of the people in order to keep power and authority, power of big pharma lobbying, etc... It would be refreshing to see a major party national candidate grow a pair and run with this one.
    Preach it brother
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