Canadian Politics Redux

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Drowned Out said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Drowned Out said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Drowned Out said:
Because it isn't the breed, it's the owners. Is this where I sound like a gun nut? I don't know anymore.
These bans are collective punishment and prohibition at their core. Telling me I can't choose a pet that is virtually indistinguishable from my neighbour's pet (not a fucking cougar), is undue government interference in my life. (Is this where I sound right wing?). Call me melodramatic if you want, but to me it is what it is. Regulate the hell out of every aspect of breeding, ownership, licensing/registration, whatever (yay! Leftist again!). ...an outright ban is contrary to my beliefs on several levels. There has got to be a better way.

again:

He said it's about protecting the breed from irresponsible owners who may want the breed for inhumane reasons.
How is a BAN protecting them?
If every district bans them, what is the end result for the breed?

My gf and I have been considering getting a dog. We're leaning toward a Siberian husky if we decide to proceed....
But I'm really concerned what you'd all think of me if that's the breed we choose...?
How big would you think my dick was?
Would I look tough or like I was compensating?
Do I need to start growing a mullet now, or shouldni buy a tap out shirt and some bling?
Or are huskies acceptable? I don't know.
Please let me know how you all would judge me for choosing a non-lap dog.

In all seriousness...

Once we get the kids out of the house (one's in university right now), the plan is to move outside of city limits to a place where we don't have a neighbour within shouting distance (close to my favourite golf course as well). When we make that move, we will also have the time to train a dog correctly.

This dog would be of the larger and stronger variety.
Not to throw your full disclosure in your face( I appreciate your candor...but you know this begs the question...
Why a big, strong breed? What's the attraction to a large breed when there is still a risk of something going wrong? Isn't that a big component of your argument?
The area we are moving to is off the beaten track. I think having a larger dog for companionship on walks through the forest is a good idea. I've always maintained that in certain areas, some dogs are very appropriate (I did so very recently in one of my last posts in this thread). I have no problem with RG and his pit bulls given his rural setting.

* In Montreal, pit bulls made up roughly 5% of the registered dogs, while accounting for a third of the dog attacks. Why is this?

societal oppression at the hands of the yorkies since the 60's.

HughFreakingDillon · October 2016

and breedism.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
She wants to go to a single-payer plan, which would be a disaster, somewhat similar to Canada. And if you haven't noticed the Canadians, when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States in many cases because their system is so slow. It's catastrophic in certain ways.”
Well healthcare Canadians what say you?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-says-canada-s-slow-health-care-system-is-catastrophic-1.3109001?google_editors_picks=true

He's full of shit and a stupid idiot, which goes without saying. He has no idea what he's talking about, and I think it's safe to assume that he knows absolutely nothing about Canada's healthcare system (frankly, this is barely a question worth answering, since it's an answer to Trump-nonsense). Sure some people go out of country and pay for it themselves, but these are not life-saving operations unless there are so few specialists you h to travel to find one. People in many countries, including the US, may be forced to do that. At any rate, Canada does NOT have a single payer system. There are private clinics that rich people can go to within Canada to avoid wait lists. My sister and brother-in-law do it all the time because they are rich. For me, I am very, very happy to face some wait lists for non-essential medical procedures if it means that nobody has to worry about money when they need medical care and that nobody goes broke just because they get sick. The healthcare system that Trump promotes is one big disgusting human rights violation as far as I'm concerned.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

Drowned Out said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

Drowned Out said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Drowned Out said:
Because it isn't the breed, it's the owners. Is this where I sound like a gun nut? I don't know anymore.
These bans are collective punishment and prohibition at their core. Telling me I can't choose a pet that is virtually indistinguishable from my neighbour's pet (not a fucking cougar), is undue government interference in my life. (Is this where I sound right wing?). Call me melodramatic if you want, but to me it is what it is. Regulate the hell out of every aspect of breeding, ownership, licensing/registration, whatever (yay! Leftist again!). ...an outright ban is contrary to my beliefs on several levels. There has got to be a better way.

again:

He said it's about protecting the breed from irresponsible owners who may want the breed for inhumane reasons.
How is a BAN protecting them?
If every district bans them, what is the end result for the breed?

My gf and I have been considering getting a dog. We're leaning toward a Siberian husky if we decide to proceed....
But I'm really concerned what you'd all think of me if that's the breed we choose...?
How big would you think my dick was?
Would I look tough or like I was compensating?
Do I need to start growing a mullet now, or shouldni buy a tap out shirt and some bling?
Or are huskies acceptable? I don't know.
Please let me know how you all would judge me for choosing a non-lap dog.

In all seriousness...

Once we get the kids out of the house (one's in university right now), the plan is to move outside of city limits to a place where we don't have a neighbour within shouting distance (close to my favourite golf course as well). When we make that move, we will also have the time to train a dog correctly.

This dog would be of the larger and stronger variety.
Not to throw your full disclosure in your face( I appreciate your candor...but you know this begs the question...
Why a big, strong breed? What's the attraction to a large breed when there is still a risk of something going wrong? Isn't that a big component of your argument?

Not that you asked me, but FWIW, I simply don't like little dogs because they are annoying and I don't find them particularly appealing. I like the big dogs because, well, they're hilarious.

I don't like them for strength at all. I like them because they are big, loping, goofy, fun but tough dogs who are way more fun to play with than little dogs, lol, and their barks are never irritating yips and yaps.

lukin2006 · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
She wants to go to a single-payer plan, which would be a disaster, somewhat similar to Canada. And if you haven't noticed the Canadians, when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States in many cases because their system is so slow. It's catastrophic in certain ways.”
Well healthcare Canadians what say you?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-says-canada-s-slow-health-care-system-is-catastrophic-1.3109001?google_editors_picks=true
He's full of shit and a stupid idiot, which goes without saying. He has no idea what he's talking about, and I think it's safe to assume that he knows absolutely nothing about Canada's healthcare system (frankly, this is barely a question worth answering, since it's an answer to Trump-nonsense). Sure some people go out of country and pay for it themselves, but these are not life-saving operations unless there are so few specialists you h to travel to find one. People in many countries, including the US, may be forced to do that. At any rate, Canada does NOT have a single payer system. There are private clinics that rich people can go to within Canada to avoid wait lists. My sister and brother-in-law do it all the time because they are rich. For me, I am very, very happy to face some wait lists for non-essential medical procedures if it means that nobody has to worry about money when they need medical care and that nobody goes broke just because they get sick. The healthcare system that Trump promotes is one big disgusting human rights violation as far as I'm concerned.

It's far from catastrophic no doubt, but whether you like to admit it or not he's right it's slow...sorry truth hurts for some. I live in a border town across from Detroit and once again he's right, many people are sent from this area to Detroit because they can't get the life saving treatment here or the air ambulance ride would take to long to London where more specialist are located...those are just facts and as far as I'm concerned when we as Canadians won't admit the fault of the system then the government has no incentive to boost healthcare spending to sustainable levels. And healthcare rarely takes the front seat in election campaigns and should be front and centre of every campaign, it's also time to expand our healthcare to include pharmacare, dental, and eye exams from coast to coast to coast...

Now don't get me wrong I'm not knocking our system, it sure is better than the US system...and just being able to flash my health card at any clinic, hospital or for most any procedure and never having paper work to sign or submit...is SWEET. I would love to see the federal government and provinces put training of healthcare professionals in northern communities so hopefully they stay in northern communities and provide quality medicene where gaps so often exist.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
She wants to go to a single-payer plan, which would be a disaster, somewhat similar to Canada. And if you haven't noticed the Canadians, when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States in many cases because their system is so slow. It's catastrophic in certain ways.”
Well healthcare Canadians what say you?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-says-canada-s-slow-health-care-system-is-catastrophic-1.3109001?google_editors_picks=true
He's full of shit and a stupid idiot, which goes without saying. He has no idea what he's talking about, and I think it's safe to assume that he knows absolutely nothing about Canada's healthcare system (frankly, this is barely a question worth answering, since it's an answer to Trump-nonsense). Sure some people go out of country and pay for it themselves, but these are not life-saving operations unless there are so few specialists you h to travel to find one. People in many countries, including the US, may be forced to do that. At any rate, Canada does NOT have a single payer system. There are private clinics that rich people can go to within Canada to avoid wait lists. My sister and brother-in-law do it all the time because they are rich. For me, I am very, very happy to face some wait lists for non-essential medical procedures if it means that nobody has to worry about money when they need medical care and that nobody goes broke just because they get sick. The healthcare system that Trump promotes is one big disgusting human rights violation as far as I'm concerned.
It's far from catastrophic no doubt, but whether you like to admit it or not he's right it's slow...sorry truth hurts for some. I live in a border town across from Detroit and once again he's right, many people are sent from this area to Detroit because they can't get the life saving treatment here or the air ambulance ride would take to long to London where more specialist are located...those are just facts and as far as I'm concerned when we as Canadians won't admit the fault of the system then the government has no incentive to boost healthcare spending to sustainable levels. And healthcare rarely takes the front seat in election campaigns and should be front and centre of every campaign, it's also time to expand our healthcare to include pharmacare, dental, and eye exams from coast to coast to coast...

Now don't get me wrong I'm not knocking our system, it sure is better than the US system...and just being able to flash my health card at any clinic, hospital or for most any procedure and never having paper work to sign or submit...is SWEET. I would love to see the federal government and provinces put training of healthcare professionals in northern communities so hopefully they stay in northern communities and provide quality medicene where gaps so often exist.

The truth doesn't hurt me. I know what the wait lists are like, and I never claimed there weren't any. However, I do live in BC, where the system is supposedly way better than it is in Ontario. That might be an argument for federalizing health care or at least more federal involvement. But yes indeed, our system isn't perfect... But compared to the USA's system it's phenomenal and causes far less suffering and hardship. Trump is an idiot.

lukin2006 · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
She wants to go to a single-payer plan, which would be a disaster, somewhat similar to Canada. And if you haven't noticed the Canadians, when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States in many cases because their system is so slow. It's catastrophic in certain ways.”
Well healthcare Canadians what say you?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-says-canada-s-slow-health-care-system-is-catastrophic-1.3109001?google_editors_picks=true
He's full of shit and a stupid idiot, which goes without saying. He has no idea what he's talking about, and I think it's safe to assume that he knows absolutely nothing about Canada's healthcare system (frankly, this is barely a question worth answering, since it's an answer to Trump-nonsense). Sure some people go out of country and pay for it themselves, but these are not life-saving operations unless there are so few specialists you h to travel to find one. People in many countries, including the US, may be forced to do that. At any rate, Canada does NOT have a single payer system. There are private clinics that rich people can go to within Canada to avoid wait lists. My sister and brother-in-law do it all the time because they are rich. For me, I am very, very happy to face some wait lists for non-essential medical procedures if it means that nobody has to worry about money when they need medical care and that nobody goes broke just because they get sick. The healthcare system that Trump promotes is one big disgusting human rights violation as far as I'm concerned.
It's far from catastrophic no doubt, but whether you like to admit it or not he's right it's slow...sorry truth hurts for some. I live in a border town across from Detroit and once again he's right, many people are sent from this area to Detroit because they can't get the life saving treatment here or the air ambulance ride would take to long to London where more specialist are located...those are just facts and as far as I'm concerned when we as Canadians won't admit the fault of the system then the government has no incentive to boost healthcare spending to sustainable levels. And healthcare rarely takes the front seat in election campaigns and should be front and centre of every campaign, it's also time to expand our healthcare to include pharmacare, dental, and eye exams from coast to coast to coast...

Now don't get me wrong I'm not knocking our system, it sure is better than the US system...and just being able to flash my health card at any clinic, hospital or for most any procedure and never having paper work to sign or submit...is SWEET. I would love to see the federal government and provinces put training of healthcare professionals in northern communities so hopefully they stay in northern communities and provide quality medicene where gaps so often exist.

The truth doesn't hurt me. I know what the wait lists are like, and I never claimed there weren't any. However, I do live in BC, where the system is supposedly way better than it is in Ontario. That might be an argument for federalizing health care or at least more federal involvement. But yes indeed, our system isn't perfect... But compared to the USA's system it's phenomenal and causes far less suffering and hardship. Trump is an idiot.

How do you know it's way better than ontario .... you should chill a little, I'm sure your girl Hillary will make things so much better, like either one is a good choice, looks good on America.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
She wants to go to a single-payer plan, which would be a disaster, somewhat similar to Canada. And if you haven't noticed the Canadians, when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States in many cases because their system is so slow. It's catastrophic in certain ways.”
Well healthcare Canadians what say you?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-says-canada-s-slow-health-care-system-is-catastrophic-1.3109001?google_editors_picks=true
He's full of shit and a stupid idiot, which goes without saying. He has no idea what he's talking about, and I think it's safe to assume that he knows absolutely nothing about Canada's healthcare system (frankly, this is barely a question worth answering, since it's an answer to Trump-nonsense). Sure some people go out of country and pay for it themselves, but these are not life-saving operations unless there are so few specialists you h to travel to find one. People in many countries, including the US, may be forced to do that. At any rate, Canada does NOT have a single payer system. There are private clinics that rich people can go to within Canada to avoid wait lists. My sister and brother-in-law do it all the time because they are rich. For me, I am very, very happy to face some wait lists for non-essential medical procedures if it means that nobody has to worry about money when they need medical care and that nobody goes broke just because they get sick. The healthcare system that Trump promotes is one big disgusting human rights violation as far as I'm concerned.
It's far from catastrophic no doubt, but whether you like to admit it or not he's right it's slow...sorry truth hurts for some. I live in a border town across from Detroit and once again he's right, many people are sent from this area to Detroit because they can't get the life saving treatment here or the air ambulance ride would take to long to London where more specialist are located...those are just facts and as far as I'm concerned when we as Canadians won't admit the fault of the system then the government has no incentive to boost healthcare spending to sustainable levels. And healthcare rarely takes the front seat in election campaigns and should be front and centre of every campaign, it's also time to expand our healthcare to include pharmacare, dental, and eye exams from coast to coast to coast...

Now don't get me wrong I'm not knocking our system, it sure is better than the US system...and just being able to flash my health card at any clinic, hospital or for most any procedure and never having paper work to sign or submit...is SWEET. I would love to see the federal government and provinces put training of healthcare professionals in northern communities so hopefully they stay in northern communities and provide quality medicene where gaps so often exist.

The truth doesn't hurt me. I know what the wait lists are like, and I never claimed there weren't any. However, I do live in BC, where the system is supposedly way better than it is in Ontario. That might be an argument for federalizing health care or at least more federal involvement. But yes indeed, our system isn't perfect... But compared to the USA's system it's phenomenal and causes far less suffering and hardship. Trump is an idiot.
How do you know it's way better than ontario .... you should chill a little, I'm sure your girl Hillary will make things so much better, like either one is a good choice, looks good on America.

You say the strangest things sometimes, lol. I am perfectly chill, as was my post, so I don't know why you responded with hostility. BTW, I'm not a Hillary supporter - she isn't "my girl".
I said that it is SUPPOSEDLY way better than it is in Ontario based on a bunch of things I've read in various places (including stats), and a bunch of things people from Ontario have told me (including here on the boards).

lukin2006 · October 2016

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

lukin2006 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
She wants to go to a single-payer plan, which would be a disaster, somewhat similar to Canada. And if you haven't noticed the Canadians, when they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States in many cases because their system is so slow. It's catastrophic in certain ways.”
Well healthcare Canadians what say you?
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/trump-says-canada-s-slow-health-care-system-is-catastrophic-1.3109001?google_editors_picks=true
He's full of shit and a stupid idiot, which goes without saying. He has no idea what he's talking about, and I think it's safe to assume that he knows absolutely nothing about Canada's healthcare system (frankly, this is barely a question worth answering, since it's an answer to Trump-nonsense). Sure some people go out of country and pay for it themselves, but these are not life-saving operations unless there are so few specialists you h to travel to find one. People in many countries, including the US, may be forced to do that. At any rate, Canada does NOT have a single payer system. There are private clinics that rich people can go to within Canada to avoid wait lists. My sister and brother-in-law do it all the time because they are rich. For me, I am very, very happy to face some wait lists for non-essential medical procedures if it means that nobody has to worry about money when they need medical care and that nobody goes broke just because they get sick. The healthcare system that Trump promotes is one big disgusting human rights violation as far as I'm concerned.
It's far from catastrophic no doubt, but whether you like to admit it or not he's right it's slow...sorry truth hurts for some. I live in a border town across from Detroit and once again he's right, many people are sent from this area to Detroit because they can't get the life saving treatment here or the air ambulance ride would take to long to London where more specialist are located...those are just facts and as far as I'm concerned when we as Canadians won't admit the fault of the system then the government has no incentive to boost healthcare spending to sustainable levels. And healthcare rarely takes the front seat in election campaigns and should be front and centre of every campaign, it's also time to expand our healthcare to include pharmacare, dental, and eye exams from coast to coast to coast...

Now don't get me wrong I'm not knocking our system, it sure is better than the US system...and just being able to flash my health card at any clinic, hospital or for most any procedure and never having paper work to sign or submit...is SWEET. I would love to see the federal government and provinces put training of healthcare professionals in northern communities so hopefully they stay in northern communities and provide quality medicene where gaps so often exist.

The truth doesn't hurt me. I know what the wait lists are like, and I never claimed there weren't any. However, I do live in BC, where the system is supposedly way better than it is in Ontario. That might be an argument for federalizing health care or at least more federal involvement. But yes indeed, our system isn't perfect... But compared to the USA's system it's phenomenal and causes far less suffering and hardship. Trump is an idiot.
How do you know it's way better than ontario .... you should chill a little, I'm sure your girl Hillary will make things so much better, like either one is a good choice, looks good on America.
You say the strangest things sometimes, lol. I am perfectly chill, as was my post, so I don't know why you responded with hostility. BTW, I'm not a Hillary supporter - she isn't "my girl".
I said that it is SUPPOSEDLY way better than it is in Ontario based on a bunch of things I've read in various places (including stats), and a bunch of things people from Ontario have told me (including here on the boards).

Lol

Thirty Bills Unpaid · October 2016

I think it is worse in BC.

Our wait lists are long and population is full of retirees that access the system routinely.

PJ_Soul · October 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I think it is worse in BC.

Our wait lists are long and population is full of retirees that access the system routinely.

What makes you think it's worse than Ontario though? Especially the retiree part, by which I assume you mean seniors. Ontario and BC have pretty much the same number of seniors per capita. Ontario is around 15% and BC is about 16%. And wait lists are long in both provinces. But from what I have read (i know, not a scientific statement), the differences start coming when you look at plain old administrative issues. Like, basically more cluster fucks for people in ON. Of course Ontario's population is way way bigger than BC's, which I imagine poses some extra challenge in administration?

Anyway, back to comparing the Canadian system and the American system, I found this tidbit in the Globe and Mail:

"Canada spends more on health care than the average for Organization for Economic Co-operation and Development member countries, but not by much. Average annual health spending in the 34 industrialized countries was $3,590 per capita in 2012, or 9.4 per cent of gross domestic product.

Canada spent $4,602 per capita that year, or 10.9 per cent of GDP, on health-care.....

....Only the American system fared worse. In 2012, the U.S. spent $8,745 per capita or 16.9 per cent of GDP on health care, vastly outstripping other OECD countries."

lukin2006 · October 2016

Former Alberta premier Jim Prentice among 4 killed in B.C. plane crash

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/jim-prentice-plane-crash-killed-1.3804941

lukin2006 · October 2016

Kelly McParland: Trudeau confounds provinces with Conservative policies in Liberal clothing

http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/kelly-mcparland-trudeau-confounds-provinces-with-conservative-policies-in-liberal-clothing

Meet the new boss, same as the old...

dignin · October 2016

What garbage.

"Under Mr. Harper, there were so many people dissatisfied with the government and its approach that they were saying, 'We need an electoral reform so that we can no longer have a government we don't like,'" Trudeau explained.

"However, under the current system, they now have a government they are more satisfied with. And the motivation to want to change the electoral system is less urgent."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-electoral-reform-1.3811862

lukin2006 · October 2016

Trudeau Hints At Flip In Electoral Reform Pledge

http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2016/10/19/trudeau-electoral-reform_n_12562314.html

lukin2006 · October 2016

dignin said:
What garbage.

"Under Mr. Harper, there were so many people dissatisfied with the government and its approach that they were saying, 'We need an electoral reform so that we can no longer have a government we don't like,'" Trudeau explained.

"However, under the current system, they now have a government they are more satisfied with. And the motivation to want to change the electoral system is less urgent."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-electoral-reform-1.3811862

I was just about to post the article...I'm not surprised, he's not willing to give up the power he enjoys, he almost certain to gain a second majority.

PJfanwillneverleave1 · October 2016

Canadian politics seem so boring and trivial now until the US election is over.
It doesn't compare to the circus that the Americans provide us.

dignin · October 2016

lukin2006 said:

dignin said:
What garbage.

"Under Mr. Harper, there were so many people dissatisfied with the government and its approach that they were saying, 'We need an electoral reform so that we can no longer have a government we don't like,'" Trudeau explained.

"However, under the current system, they now have a government they are more satisfied with. And the motivation to want to change the electoral system is less urgent."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-electoral-reform-1.3811862
I was just about to post the article...I'm not surprised, he's not willing to give up the power he enjoys, he almost certain to gain a second majority.

Maybe, but he's stabbing the voters that gave him the majority in the back. See how it plays out.

lukin2006 · October 2016

dignin said:

lukin2006 said:

dignin said:
What garbage.

"Under Mr. Harper, there were so many people dissatisfied with the government and its approach that they were saying, 'We need an electoral reform so that we can no longer have a government we don't like,'" Trudeau explained.

"However, under the current system, they now have a government they are more satisfied with. And the motivation to want to change the electoral system is less urgent."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/wherry-trudeau-electoral-reform-1.3811862
I was just about to post the article...I'm not surprised, he's not willing to give up the power he enjoys, he almost certain to gain a second majority.
Maybe, but he's stabbing the voters that gave him the majority in the back. See how it plays out.

Quite probably, but these politicians love power and don't like to relinquish it and I'm assuming we would have headed toward proportional representation.

And I've always said you can't distuinguish between the cons or libs, there one and the same to me...

And when he doesn't follow through on pot legalization he'll lose the youth vote, which from what I understood was quite better than previous elections and we can only assume that they turned out because they thought he'd legalize pot, electoral reform and keep the oil in the ground...and he only has a 15 seat majority.

oftenreading · October 2016

PJfanwillneverleave1 said:
Canadian politics seem so boring and trivial now until the US election is over.
It doesn't compare to the circus that the Americans provide us.

And thank FSM for that.

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