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  • Bentleyspop
    Bentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,516
    edited October 2016
    unsung said:

    Do you actually think that the President runs this country?

    Please tell us who does.

    With believable, reliable, and verifiable links to backup your assertion.

    Thanks
  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Go Beavers said:

    hedonist said:

    Not saying the US doesn't have pothole issues (though many have resorted to fixing them themselves), but that photo up there is from the UK. I don't know what their responsibility is in terms of street or sidewalk maintenance vs here. I assume the OP was talking solely about this country? If not, my bad.

    That said, we did have CalTrans address the potholes and overall quality of a tiny portion of the city on which my company resides. Almost a week's worth of "work"!

    Boy, did they fuck it up. Ground is uneven, rainwater gathers in spots more than it ever did and more than it should. Had to have them come back twice to re-pave since one of our entryways became flooded by their not understanding how water movement and pooling works. It's still not what it should be, and this isn't something requiring an Einstein mentality - simply something that one in that position should know and be capable of repairing.

    Take the funds for shit like that, pass them on to property owners, and allow them to get it done properly.

    How would you determine who owns the street?
    It's either public or private. In various areas here, some have either taken it upon themselves to do it right since the city can't. Others have had the city grant them the right to fix it. When you have tree roots jacking up the sidewalks, need to find a way to right it.
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    I wonder if the shoddy work of CalTrans is due the the habit of signing on the lowest bidder for work. We do that a lot in California. I remember when I was working at a community college in the bay area the work needed went out to the lowest bidder and it was crap. What we need is not no government, what we need is citizens insisting that the government do it right. Not cheap, right.
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • hedonist
    hedonist Posts: 24,524
    Cheap, fast, good.

    As the old saying goes, pick two because you'll never get all three!

    (plus, I just wish that work ethics were in place more...do your work because your conscience dictates so, not the pay)
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    hedonist said:

    Cheap, fast, good.

    As the old saying goes, pick two because you'll never get all three!

    (plus, I just wish that work ethics were in place more...do your work because your conscience dictates so, not the pay)

    I'm totally with that. Right on!

    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Smellyman
    Smellyman Asia Posts: 4,528
    Bentleyspop said:

    unsung said:

    Do you actually think that the President runs this country?

    Please tell us who does.

    With believable, reliable, and verifiable links to backup your assertion.

    Thanks
    I am guessing he thinks corporations? But as a libertarian, he should be fine with that.
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 9,892
    brianlux said:

    I wonder if the shoddy work of CalTrans is due the the habit of signing on the lowest bidder for work. We do that a lot in California. I remember when I was working at a community college in the bay area the work needed went out to the lowest bidder and it was crap. What we need is not no government, what we need is citizens insisting that the government do it right. Not cheap, right.

    I've lived most my life in CA. I thought CalTrans were state employees? Which means they are almost impossible to fire no matter how crappy of a job they do.
    Living my last couple years in Colorado they do give it to the lowest bidder, and I have seen much worse results here.. When they repave a street they leave small sections that were drivable. When they redo a sidewalk they'll leave a cement block in if it wasn't cracked or damaged, making the rest of the sidewalk completely not uniform. They leave the 10% that is usable and redo the other 90%. Making it unusable again in a few years when that 10% goes bad.
  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,618
    mace1229 said:

    brianlux said:

    I wonder if the shoddy work of CalTrans is due the the habit of signing on the lowest bidder for work. We do that a lot in California. I remember when I was working at a community college in the bay area the work needed went out to the lowest bidder and it was crap. What we need is not no government, what we need is citizens insisting that the government do it right. Not cheap, right.

    I've lived most my life in CA. I thought CalTrans were state employees? Which means they are almost impossible to fire no matter how crappy of a job they do.
    Living my last couple years in Colorado they do give it to the lowest bidder, and I have seen much worse results here.. When they repave a street they leave small sections that were drivable. When they redo a sidewalk they'll leave a cement block in if it wasn't cracked or damaged, making the rest of the sidewalk completely not uniform. They leave the 10% that is usable and redo the other 90%. Making it unusable again in a few years when that 10% goes bad.
    They're just passing that 10% savings on to you!
  • brianlux
    brianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 43,669
    mace1229 said:

    brianlux said:

    I wonder if the shoddy work of CalTrans is due the the habit of signing on the lowest bidder for work. We do that a lot in California. I remember when I was working at a community college in the bay area the work needed went out to the lowest bidder and it was crap. What we need is not no government, what we need is citizens insisting that the government do it right. Not cheap, right.

    I've lived most my life in CA. I thought CalTrans were state employees? Which means they are almost impossible to fire no matter how crappy of a job they do.
    Living my last couple years in Colorado they do give it to the lowest bidder, and I have seen much worse results here.. When they repave a street they leave small sections that were drivable. When they redo a sidewalk they'll leave a cement block in if it wasn't cracked or damaged, making the rest of the sidewalk completely not uniform. They leave the 10% that is usable and redo the other 90%. Making it unusable again in a few years when that 10% goes bad.
    Many of them are state employees but Caltrans bids out much of its work to independent contractors. I'm not exactly sure how all that works but I knew a woman a few years back who told me her husband is an independent contractor and was heading up a state highway construction job. That job seemed to go OK, others not so good. Seems to be kind of hit and miss. Too many misses though, I'd say!
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni

  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    unsung said:

    Um, the biggest bully (USA) already has the biggest gun.

    Ask Iraq or Iran or Libya or Syria.

    Thank god that is the case. Much better scenario then those fucking idiots holding the ace card
    Be Excellent To Each Other
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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/18/democratic-campaign-bus-dumps-sewage-into-georgia-storm-drain-police-say.html


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  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Without government...

    Who would put lead in the water?
  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    unsung said:

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/10/18/democratic-campaign-bus-dumps-sewage-into-georgia-storm-drain-police-say.html


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    The Dave Matthews Band's former driver has found new work. Good for him
    Be Excellent To Each Other
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  • Jason P
    Jason P Posts: 19,327
    unsung said:

    Without government...

    Who would put lead in the water?

    Probably DuPont and 3M
    Be Excellent To Each Other
    Party On, Dudes!
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    Jason P said:

    unsung said:

    Without government...

    Who would put lead in the water?

    Probably DuPont and 3M
    And Massey and Chesapeake and Rex and Koch Ind. and so on and so on...
    Monkey Driven, Call this Living?
  • CM189191
    CM189191 Posts: 6,927
    you didn’t build that

    What’s sad about this is that President Obama’s statement of the principle needs to be repeated over and over again, time without end.
  • unsung
    unsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Without government...

    who would arrest a woman for selling homemade food?
  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Bentleyspop said:

    unsung said:

    Do you actually think that the President runs this country?

    Please tell us who does.

    With believable, reliable, and verifiable links to backup your assertion.

    Thanks
    I didn't think you'd get an answer to this question.
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • oftenreading
    oftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,856
    unsung said:

    Without government...

    who would arrest a woman for selling homemade food?

    While the magnitude of the response in this case seems out of proportion, I don't have any problem with there being regulations around things like the preparation and storage of food for sale. There can be serious or fatal consequences from improperly prepared and stored food, and this isn't even veggies from a garden, this is raw seafood. If you're selling food, you're running a food sales business. She's not being completely honest in the interview, either, when she says she is "giving it away" or "trading". "Giving away" something implies that the receiver doesn't have to pay for it. "Trading" for money is called selling something.
    my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf
  • rgambs
    rgambs Posts: 13,576
    oftenreading said:

    unsung said:

    Without government...

    who would arrest a woman for selling homemade food?

    While the magnitude of the response in this case seems out of proportion, I don't have any problem with there being regulations around things like the preparation and storage of food for sale. There can be serious or fatal consequences from improperly prepared and stored food, and this isn't even veggies from a garden, this is raw seafood. If you're selling food, you're running a food sales business. She's not being completely honest in the interview, either, when she says she is "giving it away" or "trading". "Giving away" something implies that the receiver doesn't have to pay for it. "Trading" for money is called selling something.
    Exactly.
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