Vladimir Putin

Drowned Out said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are the US's interests that are being threatened in Syria? Are they interests that we should get behind?

First question: Pipelines. Second: Depends on your opinion of capitalist imperialism, and economic hegemony, I guess.


Seeing the word 'humanitarian' in this thread, but not the word 'pipeline', is disappointing...but not surprising.

You are missing the phrases that are synonyms for what you seek. But good job judging everyone.

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are the US's interests that are being threatened in Syria? Are they interests that we should get behind?

First question: Pipelines. Second: Depends on your opinion of capitalist imperialism, and economic hegemony, I guess.


Seeing the word 'humanitarian' in this thread, but not the word 'pipeline', is disappointing...but not surprising.

You are missing the phrases that are synonyms for what you seek. But good job judging everyone.

you feel judged by my disappointment?

Point me to a synonym for 'pipeline'?....or any discussion of natural resources or energy in this thread? Maybe I'm missing it...
The Syrian and Yemeni conflicts have everything to do with competing pipeline proposals that will determine whether US-allied, or Russia-allied countries will control the flow of natural gas into Europe.

Drowned Out said:

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are the US's interests that are being threatened in Syria? Are they interests that we should get behind?

First question: Pipelines. Second: Depends on your opinion of capitalist imperialism, and economic hegemony, I guess.


Seeing the word 'humanitarian' in this thread, but not the word 'pipeline', is disappointing...but not surprising.

You are missing the phrases that are synonyms for what you seek. But good job judging everyone.

you feel judged by my disappointment?

Point me to a synonym for 'pipeline'?....or any discussion of natural resources or energy in this thread? Maybe I'm missing it...
The Syrian and Yemeni conflicts have everything to do with competing pipeline proposals that will determine whether US-allied, or Russia-allied countries will control the flow of natural gas into Europe.

I pointed out that Putin's desire for Crimea was about the vast oil resources likely within the maritime borders of the Crimea.

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are the US's interests that are being threatened in Syria? Are they interests that we should get behind?

First question: Pipelines. Second: Depends on your opinion of capitalist imperialism, and economic hegemony, I guess.


Seeing the word 'humanitarian' in this thread, but not the word 'pipeline', is disappointing...but not surprising.

You are missing the phrases that are synonyms for what you seek. But good job judging everyone.

you feel judged by my disappointment?

Point me to a synonym for 'pipeline'?....or any discussion of natural resources or energy in this thread? Maybe I'm missing it...
The Syrian and Yemeni conflicts have everything to do with competing pipeline proposals that will determine whether US-allied, or Russia-allied countries will control the flow of natural gas into Europe.

I pointed out that Putin's desire for Crimea was about the vast oil resources likely within the maritime borders of the Crimea.

So Russia should have acquiesced the entire region: the 'breadbasket' of Russia, a major energy corridor, and its entire Black Sea fleet (which btw, is THE supply line between Russia and Syria), to an insurgency propped up by hostile states? Just let Ukraine become the feather in NATO's cap without a fight? Are you aware of the increase in scope and scale of NATO military deployments and war games around Russia's borders? Putin would not have had the opportunity to annex Crimea if not for the US orchestrated overthrow of the government of Ukraine (and subsequent installation of neo-nazis in key cabinet postings). Does it matter what the people of the region want? Say what you will about the legitimacy of the referendum, but over 90% voted to become part of Russia...and the Russian 'invasion' of Crimea happened with little-to-no violence. Not exactly what you'd expect to happen in a 'foreign occupation'.

mrussel1 said:

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

mrussel1 said:

Drowned Out said:

PJ_Soul said:

What are the US's interests that are being threatened in Syria? Are they interests that we should get behind?

First question: Pipelines. Second: Depends on your opinion of capitalist imperialism, and economic hegemony, I guess.


Seeing the word 'humanitarian' in this thread, but not the word 'pipeline', is disappointing...but not surprising.

You are missing the phrases that are synonyms for what you seek. But good job judging everyone.

you feel judged by my disappointment?

Point me to a synonym for 'pipeline'?....or any discussion of natural resources or energy in this thread? Maybe I'm missing it...
The Syrian and Yemeni conflicts have everything to do with competing pipeline proposals that will determine whether US-allied, or Russia-allied countries will control the flow of natural gas into Europe.

I pointed out that Putin's desire for Crimea was about the vast oil resources likely within the maritime borders of the Crimea.

My bad, that was in the Trump thread where I talked about Putin and his desire for more oil. However I discussed the humanitarian issue related to al Assad above.

All good.

But the talk of humanitarian issues is what I took umbrage with in the first place. We could use the media to build a case for military intervention in every nation in the world based on humanitarian issues - the US included. 'Humanitarian concerns', valid as they may be, are always window dressing for imperialist aggression. You stated that you're concerned/conflicted on the world police aspect of this approach....glad to hear that

To Drowned Out

So this is a decidedly pro-Russian angle, so let me share with you the Ukrainian national perspective. And for full disclosure, my father was a Ukrainian immigrant and I grew up in a Ukrainian neighborhood in Cleveland. My last name, before Americanized, was Rosul.

1. The Ukraine is NOT the breadbasket of Russia. It is the breadbasket of Europe, blessed with some of the best soil in Europe and an export that was integral to the survival of the Ukrainian people. Russia has been raiding our lands for 500 years, raping and pillaging the land for its own benefit. This culminated, as you know, with Holodomor, which was a systemic genocide of proportions likely greater than Nazi Germany's destruction of the Jews. I'll capitalize this for emphasis...THE UKRAINE IS A NOT A VASSAL STATE OF RUSSIA.

2. The Crimea is sovereign Ukraine territory. The Ukes have allowed the Russian nationals to enter the country and obtain citizenship over the past 30 years. This does not make Crimea a Russian province. So no, it doesn't fucking matter what the citizens of that region want. As a parallel, would it matter if the Cuban-Americans wanted to split off Miami and join Cuba? Of course it wouldn't. We would not allow that. Why should the opinions of the people of Crimea supersede those of the rest of the Ukraine, costing the Ukrainian people valuable natural resources like a critical port city and the likely hydrocarbons?

The Ukes want to be closer to the West and become part of the EU. They see their future in the West, not back with the fucking Russian Bear who has done nothing but hurt the Ukrainians. There is no trust or love for the East. Yes, the West was instrumental and supportive of the revolution that sent Yanukovych packing for Russia, but the Russians were just as instrumental in putting him in office and of course thet deal that tanked the EU AA. The Ukraine has been a puppet of greater powers since early in the 20th century.

Fuck Russia and fuck Putin. He is nothing but the most current incarnation of the Russian government seeking to exploit the Ukraine for its own benefit. It's time for the Ukraine to succeed for Ukrainians.

I'm just hoping that during all this election nonsense somebody is keeping their eye on the ball...

https://pjmedia.com/richardfernandez/2016/10/07/little-ducks/?singlepage=true

Pray that this administration has a plan.

I bet Putin agrees with Trump on "grab them by the pussy"

Russia vetoed the Security Council yesterday and the genocide in Aleppo will continue

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-vetoes-un-resolution-save-aleppo-200223018.html

BS44325 said:

And just so we don't lose focus...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37606114

I hope somebody in the administration is minding the store.

Curious if you support the Trump position on Russia or the Clinton/Pence/Kaine?

BS44325 said:

mrussel1 said:

BS44325 said:

And just so we don't lose focus...

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-37606114

I hope somebody in the administration is minding the store.

Curious if you support the Trump position on Russia or the Clinton/Pence/Kaine?

I don't know what the Trump position is on Russia but I believe he has positioned himself to be the most effective in checking Putin.

How can you not know but then make that statement?