Obama also lied about Hillary's Server

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

Gtilley8 said:

mace1229 said:

Gtilley8 said:

Godfather. said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Ran on the promise of hope and change and being the most transparent administration.

Turned out to be the most corrupt administration and non-transparent.

I hear this from my alt-right friends....."most corrupt." Please elaborate with facts.

Also, I never once heard them say the same thing about the Bush administration for lying about the reasons to go to war with Iraq. Not saying you're doing that, but I find the "most corrupt" camp generally forgets the bush administration's lies.

oh man here we go again......"FACTS" take a little time of your own and dig into the trusty interweb and you will
find all the "facts" you need or in your case, don't need.
I hate to be the one(sorry that's a lie) to break it to you but the guy is as transparent as mud and has set our country against each other
more than anybody in my life time anyway, so much for "change we can believe in" I said from the start he was not the man for the job and he's proven that so many times.

Godfather.

Nice term....interwebs - choice word of trolls everywhere. I've seen the facts of the last 8 years, and I'm in a much better place than I was during the bush years. I saw on day one of the Obama presidency, the speaker of the house cone out and say it was the Republicans job to make sure he was a one-term president. That, to me, was maybe one of the most racist things we'll see in our life times. Deplorable, if you will. So, pardon me if i ask for actual facts, which you can't seem to provide - I mean, if there's so many that you think the way you do, then you should be able to make a list a mile long, right? And pardon me if I immediately write off a good majority of Obama haters as either overt racists, or low IQ voters.

I don't see how that is racist. If the republicans wanted Obama to stay in office, they wouldn't have registered republican. Has nothing to do with him being black.
You think if trump wins there won't be democrats saying they need to make him a 1-term president? Of course they will. Some of them might even be black, doesn't make them racist. If Hilary wins they will say the same about her. When bush ran for a second term they said the same about him. I just don't see the leap from a republican not wanting Obama to be president to therefore he is racist?

For the speaker of the house to come out on day one, of the first black president, and make the comments he made, yes, that was unprecedented. I'm going to go off bit of here, but to think about the heightened sense of poor race relations in this country lately - and not atribute that solely to actions of the right - that's just not having any common sense at all.

I've said I'm not completely happy with everything the guy did. The bottom line is, are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? If you own a home, did you essentially gain back everything you lost since the housing crisis? Yes. If you were able to buy low in 09 - 13, have you gained 10-30K? Yes. Has your 401K gained back everything + more? Yes. When you talk about the 2 main things that affect the overall financial well being of the middle class, your home and your 401K are front and center. Those are far better, exponentially, than they were 8 years ago.

I've been around a little while and all those things you mentioned have always fluctuated up and down, my wife and I bought our first home in 1990 for $140,000 while I was making $12 dollars an hour and she $8, my parents bought their first home for $14,000 in 1959
so quite honestly what your using to defend obama's term is really something that has been happening in our economy for much longer than he's been around, and while obama's been in office business have left California and the country by the hoards and race relations
have been strained more than any other time that I can remember, as I've said earlier "if he's your hero" than good for you but you're not seeing things as they really are and 401K's ? that's a whole different story I don't have time to get into but but think about this, investors and your 401K are closely related.

Godfather.

The line about race relations being strained because of Obama is a Faux News talking point that has no basis in reality.

As soon as Obama got in office the GOP mantra was "Take our country back"....take it back from what? Clearly this was veiled racism to alert whitey that blackey was running loose. Even "Make America Great Again" is veiled racism to get the racists stirred up enough to get out and vote. Who said America wasn't great already? We are clearly in better shape then we were before the black guy got in office.

man dude.....well at least you're persistent, you really haven't noticed the turmoil our country has been in since he's been elected ? race relations, the national debt and many other things that are just a mess.

Godfather.

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

Gtilley8 said:

mace1229 said:

Gtilley8 said:

Godfather. said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Ran on the promise of hope and change and being the most transparent administration.

Turned out to be the most corrupt administration and non-transparent.

I hear this from my alt-right friends....."most corrupt." Please elaborate with facts.

Also, I never once heard them say the same thing about the Bush administration for lying about the reasons to go to war with Iraq. Not saying you're doing that, but I find the "most corrupt" camp generally forgets the bush administration's lies.

oh man here we go again......"FACTS" take a little time of your own and dig into the trusty interweb and you will
find all the "facts" you need or in your case, don't need.
I hate to be the one(sorry that's a lie) to break it to you but the guy is as transparent as mud and has set our country against each other
more than anybody in my life time anyway, so much for "change we can believe in" I said from the start he was not the man for the job and he's proven that so many times.

Godfather.

Nice term....interwebs - choice word of trolls everywhere. I've seen the facts of the last 8 years, and I'm in a much better place than I was during the bush years. I saw on day one of the Obama presidency, the speaker of the house cone out and say it was the Republicans job to make sure he was a one-term president. That, to me, was maybe one of the most racist things we'll see in our life times. Deplorable, if you will. So, pardon me if i ask for actual facts, which you can't seem to provide - I mean, if there's so many that you think the way you do, then you should be able to make a list a mile long, right? And pardon me if I immediately write off a good majority of Obama haters as either overt racists, or low IQ voters.

I don't see how that is racist. If the republicans wanted Obama to stay in office, they wouldn't have registered republican. Has nothing to do with him being black.
You think if trump wins there won't be democrats saying they need to make him a 1-term president? Of course they will. Some of them might even be black, doesn't make them racist. If Hilary wins they will say the same about her. When bush ran for a second term they said the same about him. I just don't see the leap from a republican not wanting Obama to be president to therefore he is racist?

For the speaker of the house to come out on day one, of the first black president, and make the comments he made, yes, that was unprecedented. I'm going to go off bit of here, but to think about the heightened sense of poor race relations in this country lately - and not atribute that solely to actions of the right - that's just not having any common sense at all.

I've said I'm not completely happy with everything the guy did. The bottom line is, are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? If you own a home, did you essentially gain back everything you lost since the housing crisis? Yes. If you were able to buy low in 09 - 13, have you gained 10-30K? Yes. Has your 401K gained back everything + more? Yes. When you talk about the 2 main things that affect the overall financial well being of the middle class, your home and your 401K are front and center. Those are far better, exponentially, than they were 8 years ago.

I've been around a little while and all those things you mentioned have always fluctuated up and down, my wife and I bought our first home in 1990 for $140,000 while I was making $12 dollars an hour and she $8, my parents bought their first home for $14,000 in 1959
so quite honestly what your using to defend obama's term is really something that has been happening in our economy for much longer than he's been around, and while obama's been in office business have left California and the country by the hoards and race relations
have been strained more than any other time that I can remember, as I've said earlier "if he's your hero" than good for you but you're not seeing things as they really are and 401K's ? that's a whole different story I don't have time to get into but but think about this, investors and your 401K are closely related.

Godfather.

The line about race relations being strained because of Obama is a Faux News talking point that has no basis in reality.

As soon as Obama got in office the GOP mantra was "Take our country back"....take it back from what? Clearly this was veiled racism to alert whitey that blackey was running loose. Even "Make America Great Again" is veiled racism to get the racists stirred up enough to get out and vote. Who said America wasn't great already? We are clearly in better shape then we were before the black guy got in office.

man dude.....well at least you're persistent, you really haven't noticed the turmoil our country has been in since he's been elected ? race relations, the national debt and many other things that are just a mess.

Godfather.

Yeah I've noticed all of those things. Do you really think Obama is responsible for the increase in debt? Bush is the one who signed in the tax cuts and took as to war. Of course those annual deficits would continue when Obama stepped in office.

Trump is talking about cutting taxes and doubling our military. That costs money. Do you really think the debt won't increase under Trump? Whoever the next president is will see the debt continue to rise....educate yourself PLEASE

don't beg, it's embarrassing. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA.
so you're saying we won't see the real affects to the debt until Obama is out of office ?

Godfather.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

I guess not other democrats in office, but it was really bad with media and celebrities. Celebrities said far worse things about him than anyone has said about Obama. And celebrities sadly probably reach more that people in office.
I was at 2 solo shows the year into the wild came out. Ed put on a Bush mask and someone came on stage dressed like the devel and pretended to give bush a blow job. That is totally acceptable, but saying you need to win the next election is not and considered racist?

Not just saying you need to win the next election, that's a given. Outside of those at the devil BJ show, who saw it? We're talking about elected representatives proclaiming failure as their number one priority. Why? Had that ever been spoken like that prior to Obama? Celebrities say stupid shit all of the time but their typically not members of congress or elected to public office. Except Jesse Ventura, al Franken and Steve largent. The speaker of the house publically refusing to attend the Obamas Christmas party. Had that ever happened before? And how is Ed in a bush mask getting a blow job from a caricature of the devil racist?

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

Gern Blansten said:

Godfather. said:

Gtilley8 said:

mace1229 said:

Gtilley8 said:

Godfather. said:

Gtilley8 said:

unsung said:

Ran on the promise of hope and change and being the most transparent administration.

Turned out to be the most corrupt administration and non-transparent.

I hear this from my alt-right friends....."most corrupt." Please elaborate with facts.

Also, I never once heard them say the same thing about the Bush administration for lying about the reasons to go to war with Iraq. Not saying you're doing that, but I find the "most corrupt" camp generally forgets the bush administration's lies.

oh man here we go again......"FACTS" take a little time of your own and dig into the trusty interweb and you will
find all the "facts" you need or in your case, don't need.
I hate to be the one(sorry that's a lie) to break it to you but the guy is as transparent as mud and has set our country against each other
more than anybody in my life time anyway, so much for "change we can believe in" I said from the start he was not the man for the job and he's proven that so many times.

Godfather.

Nice term....interwebs - choice word of trolls everywhere. I've seen the facts of the last 8 years, and I'm in a much better place than I was during the bush years. I saw on day one of the Obama presidency, the speaker of the house cone out and say it was the Republicans job to make sure he was a one-term president. That, to me, was maybe one of the most racist things we'll see in our life times. Deplorable, if you will. So, pardon me if i ask for actual facts, which you can't seem to provide - I mean, if there's so many that you think the way you do, then you should be able to make a list a mile long, right? And pardon me if I immediately write off a good majority of Obama haters as either overt racists, or low IQ voters.

I don't see how that is racist. If the republicans wanted Obama to stay in office, they wouldn't have registered republican. Has nothing to do with him being black.
You think if trump wins there won't be democrats saying they need to make him a 1-term president? Of course they will. Some of them might even be black, doesn't make them racist. If Hilary wins they will say the same about her. When bush ran for a second term they said the same about him. I just don't see the leap from a republican not wanting Obama to be president to therefore he is racist?

For the speaker of the house to come out on day one, of the first black president, and make the comments he made, yes, that was unprecedented. I'm going to go off bit of here, but to think about the heightened sense of poor race relations in this country lately - and not atribute that solely to actions of the right - that's just not having any common sense at all.

I've said I'm not completely happy with everything the guy did. The bottom line is, are you better off now than you were 8 years ago? If you own a home, did you essentially gain back everything you lost since the housing crisis? Yes. If you were able to buy low in 09 - 13, have you gained 10-30K? Yes. Has your 401K gained back everything + more? Yes. When you talk about the 2 main things that affect the overall financial well being of the middle class, your home and your 401K are front and center. Those are far better, exponentially, than they were 8 years ago.

I've been around a little while and all those things you mentioned have always fluctuated up and down, my wife and I bought our first home in 1990 for $140,000 while I was making $12 dollars an hour and she $8, my parents bought their first home for $14,000 in 1959
so quite honestly what your using to defend obama's term is really something that has been happening in our economy for much longer than he's been around, and while obama's been in office business have left California and the country by the hoards and race relations
have been strained more than any other time that I can remember, as I've said earlier "if he's your hero" than good for you but you're not seeing things as they really are and 401K's ? that's a whole different story I don't have time to get into but but think about this, investors and your 401K are closely related.

Godfather.

The line about race relations being strained because of Obama is a Faux News talking point that has no basis in reality.

As soon as Obama got in office the GOP mantra was "Take our country back"....take it back from what? Clearly this was veiled racism to alert whitey that blackey was running loose. Even "Make America Great Again" is veiled racism to get the racists stirred up enough to get out and vote. Who said America wasn't great already? We are clearly in better shape then we were before the black guy got in office.

man dude.....well at least you're persistent, you really haven't noticed the turmoil our country has been in since he's been elected ? race relations, the national debt and many other things that are just a mess.

Godfather.

Yeah I've noticed all of those things. Do you really think Obama is responsible for the increase in debt? Bush is the one who signed in the tax cuts and took as to war. Of course those annual deficits would continue when Obama stepped in office.

Trump is talking about cutting taxes and doubling our military. That costs money. Do you really think the debt won't increase under Trump? Whoever the next president is will see the debt continue to rise....educate yourself PLEASE

don't beg, it's embarrassing. HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHA.
so you're saying we won't see the real affects to the debt until Obama is out of office ?

Godfather.

Clearly that isn't what I said. I said whether Clinton or Trump gets in office the debt will continue to increase.

Obviously less so under Clinton because she is proposing tax increases. The deficit under Trump will obviously be higher since he wants to CUT taxes and INCREASE military spending.

Do you really not know any of this?

and Trumps wants to cut other things like paying other countries to like us, yes I've heard all the stories
and promises, but man (no attacks or funny stuff) if you and or I sat down with a calculator and divided all in-coming taxes and whatever sources of income this country has by the amount of out going I'm sure we could find a few things to cut without raising taxes and get things on the road to recovery, sending money to Iraq and other countries is just stupid in my opinion, money saved !

Godfather.

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

I guess not other democrats in office, but it was really bad with media and celebrities. Celebrities said far worse things about him than anyone has said about Obama. And celebrities sadly probably reach more that people in office.
I was at 2 solo shows the year into the wild came out. Ed put on a Bush mask and someone came on stage dressed like the devel and pretended to give bush a blow job. That is totally acceptable, but saying you need to win the next election is not and considered racist?

Not just saying you need to win the next election, that's a given. Outside of those at the devil BJ show, who saw it? We're talking about elected representatives proclaiming failure as their number one priority. Why? Had that ever been spoken like that prior to Obama? Celebrities say stupid shit all of the time but their typically not members of congress or elected to public office. Except Jesse Ventura, al Franken and Steve largent. The speaker of the house publically refusing to attend the Obamas Christmas party. Had that ever happened before? And how is Ed in a bush mask getting a blow job from a caricature of the devil racist?

I didn't say the Bush mask was racist. I was pointing out it has become more and more acceptable to disrespect the presidential office. If Trump wins they'll be talking about how to get him out before he's even sworn in. Same with Hillary. But for some reason when it is about Obama it turns into a racial issue.

Point taken but prior to Obama you never had the elected leaders of the minority party publicly state that their number one priority was to see this president fail. Prior to Obama you never had an elected member of congress shout out "you lie" during his SOTU. Prior to Obama you never had an elelected governor stick their finger in the president's face. Prior to Obama you never had, at least that I'm aware of, the speaker of the house publicly refuse to attend the White House Christmas party, traditionally a bipartisan affair to set aside differences. Why is that? It's not like there haven't been policy differences before.

And if trump wins I very much doubt that members of the black caucus will do any of the things to trump that happened to Obama.

pjalive21 said:

JC29856 said:

Why the pres using 'fictitious name used by an author to conceal his or her identity;' to communicate with his Sec of State?

this^^^^^

not pertaining to the quote above that I want to comment on:

and for the record to the comments above about disrespecting the office, there was NO ONE more disrespected that Bush during his term as president

secondly the racism argument is a complete and utter joke when saying that Repubs wanted Obama as a one term president, people who use the racist card lack the reasoning to conduct a valid argument

Gern Blansten said:

pjalive21 said:

JC29856 said:

Why the pres using 'fictitious name used by an author to conceal his or her identity;' to communicate with his Sec of State?

this^^^^^

not pertaining to the quote above that I want to comment on:

and for the record to the comments above about disrespecting the office, there was NO ONE more disrespected that Bush during his term as president

secondly the racism argument is a complete and utter joke when saying that Repubs wanted Obama as a one term president, people who use the racist card lack the reasoning to conduct a valid argument

Make a valid argument that the birther movement wasn't racist.

Bentleyspop said:

Gern Blansten said:

Excuse me...at least they had a reason to impeach Clinton. They had something to hang their hat on.

The bullshit on Obama was manufactured. His birth certificate was presented and it was not accepted by birthers/Trump.

If his name had been Robert O' Brian and was Caucasian they wouldn't have challenged his heritage.