America's Gun Violence

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  • So if the aliens invaded tomorrow and said,"we are not going to apologize for our existence. We must eat humans." You would say,"do not eat the third world people. They have had it rough. Eat my people for we've only known comfort." Is that what you would say?

    Nope.

    I'd say, "Holy f**k. Where is Scruffy and Unsung? I gotta get my ass behind them so they can shoot the aliens for me."

    * To your point... you're asking me to speak from the prey's perspective. I'm not the prey in our scenario. You'd have to ask the aliens the same question if they ever created a situation where they were harvesting human beings in cruel conditions or hunting them where the humans at a minimum had a chance to elude death and live some semblance of a free life.

    * Are you suggesting factory farming is more humane than hunting for your meat?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • :lol. I like your answer.

    I have buried my head in the sand when it comes to factory farming. I don't watch the documentaries, or videos, or read the articles. I know that it is less humane than shooting a deer. You were focusing on the manner of death and I was focusing on the prey's point of view, as you mentioned. I guess it just bothered me that killing could ever be considered respectable. Is that being overly sensitive?
  • :lol. I like your answer.

    I have buried my head in the sand when it comes to factory farming. I don't watch the documentaries, or videos, or read the articles. I know that it is less humane than shooting a deer. You were focusing on the manner of death and I was focusing on the prey's point of view, as you mentioned. I guess it just bothered me that killing could ever be considered respectable. Is that being overly sensitive?

    Definitely not.

    The world needs more people like you.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thank you. :)
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,995
    CM189191 said:

    So that's it? Add a safety course to the existing NJ gun laws and gun related violence disappears?

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    I think that would be a could start on top of all the other requirements I mentioned. Pretty sure the vast majority of US do not have those types of laws. but you keep taxing the shit out of stuff and I'm sure things will change.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487

    Go shoot shit! F**kin rights!

    The second strongest argument the pro side has: it's fun.

    Lol
    It's therapeutic and will calm your beta from flaring up.
  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,995

    Go shoot shit! F**kin rights!

    The second strongest argument the pro side has: it's fun.

    Lol
    you know after you shoot my ar you are going to want one. don't lie to yourself.
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • mcgruff10 said:

    So based on your thinking I should probably lock up my prescription drugs too. Because God forbid that criminal who steals my drugs over doses on them I might be liable!
    So why not lock up your weapons, if you lock up your weapons in a locked safe and thieves brake in and take them I'd say you should not be held responsible! But if you leave it on a table or underneath your pillow I'd say you should be held responsible...
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    My weapons are locked up if my front door is locked.
  • This thread has fallen off the deep end. What gets me is I would bet a lot of the anti gunners out there that have never served their country in the military or law enforcement. Have never been a victim of violent crime when a gun or other weapon was used. They have no problem sleeping soundly at night when it was a gun or another destructive device that brought upon and continues to secure that freedom. They refuse to acknowledge that numbers that show that way more crimes are prevented by firearms then committed by firearms or the fact that countries that have instituted gun bans or very restrictive gun laws have seen an increase in violent crime and home invasions. Then they want to jump on the AR15 or the AK47 because they look scary or because their misguided thought pattern makes them believe they are military grade weapons. Um no their not. There are several variations of rifles that shoot the exact same cartridge but has wood furniture but nothing is said about those rifles. No one brings up a 50 caliber rifle. Much more destructive and deadly. Let's outlaw the Ford F-150 but let the semi trucks run free. People step outside your safety box that you've enjoyed because of firearms and educate yourselves on reality.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    sooooo many of you folks want to out law "assault weapons and hand guns" HAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHA
    WAKE UP SUNSHINE it's only a bad dream LOL !!

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    so more guns equals less death in your eyes? your murder rate by use of guns per capita tells a wildly different story. it is indisputable. but hey, "facts" and "science" are just things used by nerds to "prove" things.

    everyone else can just wipe their ass and tell a story from it.

    MOST of the facts on this topic spewed by anti gun folks are not fact at all.....as I've said before for every fact you post from the internet I can find one to counter it.

    Godfather.

  • unsung said:

    My weapons are locked up if my front door is locked.

    Then you are responsible.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited September 2016

    MOST of the facts on this topic spewed by anti gun folks are not fact at all.....as I've said before for every fact you post from the internet I can find one to counter it.

    Godfather.

    Yah but the ones you find don't make any sense though. Right?
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • DegeneratefkDegeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    edited September 2016

    This thread has fallen off the deep end. What gets me is I would bet a lot of the anti gunners out there that have never served their country in the military or law enforcement. Have never been a victim of violent crime when a gun or other weapon was used. They have no problem sleeping soundly at night when it was a gun or another destructive device that brought upon and continues to secure that freedom. They refuse to acknowledge that numbers that show that way more crimes are prevented by firearms then committed by firearms or the fact that countries that have instituted gun bans or very restrictive gun laws have seen an increase in violent crime and home invasions. Then they want to jump on the AR15 or the AK47 because they look scary or because their misguided thought pattern makes them believe they are military grade weapons. Um no their not. There are several variations of rifles that shoot the exact same cartridge but has wood furniture but nothing is said about those rifles. No one brings up a 50 caliber rifle. Much more destructive and deadly. Let's outlaw the Ford F-150 but let the semi trucks run free. People step outside your safety box that you've enjoyed because of firearms and educate yourselves on reality.

    I'd bet you're wrong.

    Where are the numbers in regards to crimes being prevented by guns?
    Post edited by Degeneratefk on
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • mcgruff10 said:

    you know after you shoot my ar you are going to want one. don't lie to yourself.
    Of course I'd want one.

    Hey I'm not going to deny that ownership of such a gun wouldn't be cool. I'm just saying that as cool as it might be... there's no need for it in civilian hands.

    And as condescending and poorly worded as I might be at times in this topic, I've got nothing against the pro crowd. Nothing at all. I see where they're coming from, but I disagree with their perspective. That doesn't make either side better than the other.

    I would say that some pro gun people plead not to characterize all pro gunners as irresponsible given the brutal actions of a few... yet at times they characterize and cast judgement in the same manner (like in the Islam threads).
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mcgruff10 said:

    you know after you shoot my ar you are going to want one. don't lie to yourself.
    I have shot an AR. I wasn't impressed. But I don't get hard ons from gun fire.
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • This thread has fallen off the deep end. What gets me is I would bet a lot of the anti gunners out there that have never served their country in the military or law enforcement. Have never been a victim of violent crime when a gun or other weapon was used. They have no problem sleeping soundly at night when it was a gun or another destructive device that brought upon and continues to secure that freedom. They refuse to acknowledge that numbers that show that way more crimes are prevented by firearms then committed by firearms or the fact that countries that have instituted gun bans or very restrictive gun laws have seen an increase in violent crime and home invasions. Then they want to jump on the AR15 or the AK47 because they look scary or because their misguided thought pattern makes them believe they are military grade weapons. Um no their not. There are several variations of rifles that shoot the exact same cartridge but has wood furniture but nothing is said about those rifles. No one brings up a 50 caliber rifle. Much more destructive and deadly. Let's outlaw the Ford F-150 but let the semi trucks run free. People step outside your safety box that you've enjoyed because of firearms and educate yourselves on reality.

    You are wrong with regards to your assertion about gun laws and restrictions resulting in an increase in violent crime and home invasions.

    Really wrong.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,697
    edited September 2016
    unsung said:

    Dude, it's not enough that your house was locked. It's your fault, not the criminal's. The left prefers blaming the victim.
    I am completely willing to accept a certain level of responsibility, and that my guns should be stored properly. In California you have to sign a statement that you own a gun safe and will store it in there. Seems fair enough to me.

    But you completely lost me, and hopefully everyone else, when you say its not the criminals fault if he breaks into my house and steals a gun? How is the criminal not responsible? Surely the criminal himself will share some of the responsibility for stealing my gun and killing someone?
    Post edited by mace1229 on
  • unsungunsung I stopped by on March 7 2024. First time in many years, had to update payment info. Hope all is well. Politicians suck. Bye. Posts: 9,487
    Sarcasm.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,076
    Anti gunner here. Don't think a gun owner shoukd be held liable if their gun was stolen and used in a crime. Not black and white of course; if it was stored properly, as someone else said, not just laying on a table in your back yard, etc.

    If someone stole a hammer out of my garage and bludgeoned their gramma to death with it, I am not responsible for that.
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • mcgruff10mcgruff10 New Jersey Posts: 28,995

    I have shot an AR. I wasn't impressed. But I don't get hard ons from gun fire.
    Me either. It s very tough to shoot with one.
    Instead of an ar I ll let you try one of my garands. Now that s a manly gun! Trust me, you ll be impressed. Ping!
    I'll ride the wave where it takes me......
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjNwMOLulUQ

    I know how much you guy's like Ted.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    Yah but the ones you find don't make any sense though. Right?
    ? lost me on that one Amigo, but then again most facts posted by anti gun folks on here make no sense to me.
    the right thing to do would be this, if a person don't like guns then they are 100% within their rights not to buy any.
    problem solved.


    Godfather.


  • ? lost me on that one Amigo, but then again most facts posted by anti gun folks on here make no sense to me.
    the right thing to do would be this, if a person don't like guns then they are 100% within their rights not to buy any.
    problem solved.


    Godfather.


    Not quite.

    The problem isn't solved when their children are gunned down by some looney that wants to buy guns.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • By the way... I don't mind Ted in spurts.

    He's too extreme, but I like his stance on crime and punishment.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,076

    ? lost me on that one Amigo, but then again most facts posted by anti gun folks on here make no sense to me.
    the right thing to do would be this, if a person don't like guns then they are 100% within their rights not to buy any.
    problem solved.


    Godfather.


    Interesting. So the problem of getting mowed down by a gun happy fucktard is solved by me not owning one? Your deductive reasoning is impeccable.

    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • Stickman12Stickman12 Posts: 504
    edited September 2016

    You are wrong with regards to your assertion about gun laws and restrictions resulting in an increase in violent crime and home invasions.

    Really wrong.
    http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/

    Educate yourself
    Post edited by Stickman12 on
  • I'd bet you're wrong.

    Where are the numbers in regards to crimes being prevented by guns?
    http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/crime/item/15941-cdc-study-ordered-by-obama-contradicts-white-house-anti-gun-narrative

    Educate yourself
  • Thirty Bills UnpaidThirty Bills Unpaid Posts: 16,881
    edited September 2016

    http://www.mintpressnews.com/the-facts-that-neither-side-wants-to-admit-about-gun-control/207152/

    Educate yourself
    Since the Port Arthur massacre (the catalyst for change in Australia)... "The number of Australia's mass shootings dropped from 11 in the decade before 1996, to zero in the years since."

    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-35048251

    The extreme and its effectiveness: "Gun-control advocates regularly cite Japan’s highly restrictive firearm regulations in tandem with its extraordinarily low gun-homicide rate, which is the lowest in the world at one in 10 million, according to the latest data available. Most guns are illegal in the country and ownership rates, which are quite small, reflect this."

    http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2016/01/worldwide-gun-control-policy/423711/

    The UK's gun laws are a matter for debate, but the link you offered only speaks to the side of the issue which pleases you. In short, more brainwashing versus an unbiased piece open to critical interpretation. One thing can be said about the UK: "The gun homicide rate in England and Whales is about one for every 1 million people, according to the Geneva Declaration of Armed Violence and Development, a multinational organization based in Switzerland.
    In a population of 56 million, that adds up to about 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, by contrast, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. There were 8,124 gun homicides in 2014, according to the latest FBI figures."

    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/06/16/gun-violence-united-kingdom-united-states/85994716/

    Canada's has been effective as well... except we've lapsed a bit and to boot... we have a smuggling problem from the wild west (your country).

    But I'm done here. You failed. Nice try.

    Edited to add last link.
    Post edited by Thirty Bills Unpaid on
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