America's Gun Violence
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So...there should be mandatory extensive mental health testing before one is able to obtain a gun? Interesting, godfather..Godfather. said:what I thought...you can't, a gun is a tool used for many reasons how it is used is dependent on who is using it and what circumstances they may be involved in......shocker !!!!!! gun's don't think for themselves.
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Same could be said for the 3%, the Oath Keepers, the Tea Party, Preppers, the Michigan Militia, the Klan, etc. These morons have no place in modern society. Unfortunately, you can't outlaw stupidity.Godfather. said:gun's don't think for themselves.
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Correct.Godfather. said:what I thought...you can't, a gun is a tool used for many reasons how it is used is dependent on who is using it and what circumstances they may be involved in......shocker !!!!!! gun's don't think for themselves.
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Fools do. And that's the problem."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
what you thought? you didn't give me anything to disprove. that was my point.Godfather. said:what I thought...you can't, a gun is a tool used for many reasons how it is used is dependent on who is using it and what circumstances they may be involved in......shocker !!!!!! gun's don't think for themselves.
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a gun is used for many reasons? like to open a bottle of beer? or to help you find your keys? what uses does this "tool" have other than to shoot at things living or inanimate?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Let's see, add 9, carry the 1, multiply by pi
Or how about:Godfather. said:what I thought...you can't,
a gunan alcoholic beverage is a tool used for many reasons how it is used is dependent on who is using it and what circumstances they may be involved in......shocker !!!!!!gun'salcoholic beverages don't think for themselves.
But hey, you know, Constitutional Amendments, how do they work?Godfather. said:what I thought...you can't, a
gunslave is a tool used for many reasons how it is used is dependent on who is using it and what circumstances they may be involved in......shocker !!!!!!gun'sslaves don't think for themselves.0 -
If it's a Hi-Point, I hear they make good paperweights, lolHughFreakingDillon said:
what you thought? you didn't give me anything to disprove. that was my point.
a gun is used for many reasons? like to open a bottle of beer? or to help you find your keys? what uses does this "tool" have other than to shoot at things living or inanimate?0 -
be a hell of a bottle opener LOL !HughFreakingDillon said:
what you thought? you didn't give me anything to disprove. that was my point.
a gun is used for many reasons? like to open a bottle of beer? or to help you find your keys? what uses does this "tool" have other than to shoot at things living or inanimate?
believe it or not there are some guns collected that never get used, just owning them and collecting them brings satisfaction it's like collecting anything else old records, knives, art, etc.
just because a small percentage of this country dislikes guns means nothing to me and a lot of other people, the anti gun crowd love throwing around drummed up "facts" and posting and re-posting gun related crimes and as silly as the outlaw car's argument sounds they do kill more people than guns and for you climate change believers what does a car's emissions do to future life and health ? ...I don't believe it either lol ! anyway a gun a car or a hammer are only as dangerous as the person using it.
also drug and alcohol related deaths far exceed gun deaths but some of the same anti gun folks would like to legalize drugs...now that's just illegal drugs what about prescription or prescribed drugs ? or alcohol poisoning or drunk driver related deaths ? our society seems to be fine with these things, prescribed drugs flood the market with little long term effects and even short term effects and many are sold knowing full well that they are addicting (Xanax, oxycotton, etc) so in my opinion a gun debate is meaningless if one is going to use death toll's and accidents when there are other things just as dangerous and more readily available to the general public.
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Oxycontin, gf.0
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a small percentage of the country? here is but one survey. there are countless others stating facts that the majority of americans support stricter gun legisltation:Godfather. said:
be a hell of a bottle opener LOL !
believe it or not there are some guns collected that never get used, just owning them and collecting them brings satisfaction it's like collecting anything else old records, knives, art, etc.
just because a small percentage of this country dislikes guns means nothing to me and a lot of other people, the anti gun crowd love throwing around drummed up "facts" and posting and re-posting gun related crimes and as silly as the outlaw car's argument sounds they do kill more people than guns and for you climate change believers what does a car's emissions do to future life and health ? ...I don't believe it either lol ! anyway a gun a car or a hammer are only as dangerous as the person using it.
also drug and alcohol related deaths far exceed gun deaths but some of the same anti gun folks would like to legalize drugs...now that's just illegal drugs what about prescription or prescribed drugs ? or alcohol poisoning or drunk driver related deaths ? our society seems to be fine with these things, prescribed drugs flood the market with little long term effects and even short term effects and many are sold knowing full well that they are addicting (Xanax, oxycotton, etc) so in my opinion a gun debate is meaningless if one is going to use death toll's and accidents when there are other things just as dangerous and more readily available to the general public.
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the only reason it is so difficult is because of the gun lobby and how powerful they have become. legislation is unfortunately not based on public opinion, but financial influence.
but hey, don't let "facts" get in the way of your opinion.
"you climate change believers". speaks volumes.By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I think the issue for gun owners, such as myself, is many of the proposed restrictions don't address the statistics that are often quoted. The guns that get targeted are an insignificant portion of the problem. There is always talk about assault rifles and the AR-15, when assault rifles account for something like less than 1% of gun deaths.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
And you're saying this from a Republican point of view (not that I'm as 'liberal' as you might think)?
Two things I consider fact:
1. The gun debate has been lost big time by gun advocates. It's not even close. The need for solid measures of gun reform demonstrated by items such as statistics, comparisons to other countries, and common sense blows paranoia and an ancient document's etchings out of the water.
2. Even though the gun debate has been lost and never to be won until such a time as when madness ensues... it would never result in any significant changes. The majority of people are much too self concerned or-- simply put- stupid to accept meaningful change efforts for the betterment of society.
I have more respect for gun owners that can at least recognize these two facts versus trying to sell their point of view to people that know better. Honestly, it's like pushing religion on people grounded in science.
Bottom line: enjoy your guns.
I wouldn't argue that guns save more lives that they kill. But there are things out there that kill more than guns and don't get talked about at all. The fact that the majority of gun deaths are suicides I would argue is as much or more of a mental health issue than gun issue.
I wouldn't say the gun debate has been "lost," because its not just about if guns kills-we all know they do-but also about the best way to minimize their negative effect on society. It seems to me that better suicide prevention and mental health treatment for high risk profiles would save more lives than say, outlawing a pistol grip. Or enforce laws that restrict access to guns who should not have them instead of focusing so much attention on one single firearm that is statistically insignificant.0 -
So, what if I wanted to collect nuclear warheads? Just owning them and collecting them brings me satisfaction! It's no different than old records.Godfather. said:
be a hell of a bottle opener LOL !
believe it or not there are some guns collected that never get used, just owning them and collecting them brings satisfaction it's like collecting anything else old records, knives, art, etc.
just because a small percentage of this country dislikes guns means nothing to me and a lot of other people, the anti gun crowd love throwing around drummed up "facts" and posting and re-posting gun related crimes and as silly as the outlaw car's argument sounds they do kill more people than guns and for you climate change believers what does a car's emissions do to future life and health ? ...I don't believe it either lol ! anyway a gun a car or a hammer are only as dangerous as the person using it.
also drug and alcohol related deaths far exceed gun deaths but some of the same anti gun folks would like to legalize drugs...now that's just illegal drugs what about prescription or prescribed drugs ? or alcohol poisoning or drunk driver related deaths ? our society seems to be fine with these things, prescribed drugs flood the market with little long term effects and even short term effects and many are sold knowing full well that they are addicting (Xanax, oxycotton, etc) so in my opinion a gun debate is meaningless if one is going to use death toll's and accidents when there are other things just as dangerous and more readily available to the general public.
Godfather.
I think you're mistaken in thinking that people don't like guns just because people don't like guns. People don't guns because people don't like murder, and the statistical facts show that the more guns in a society, the more murder in a society, both by volume and per capita (and don't put facts in quotations like they're some fictional story - you can ignore facts as long as you'd like, but they're still facts, and not your romantic view of them).
Guns - primary use case: to wield power by fear of and facilitation of injury or death.
Cars - primary use case: to move people between various geographic locations when walking is impermissible
Hammers - primary use case: in conjunction with nails, to construct (and on occasion, to crucify)
Drugs and alcohol - I agree we should do a better job of restricting these, especially the ones with addictive properties. Instead of saying that gun debate is meaningless because of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, I'd say that gun debate is meaningful in addition to issues surrounding rampant drug and alcohol abuse.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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So, what if I wanted to collect nuclear warheads? Just owning them and collecting them brings me satisfaction! It's no different than old records....go find one.benjs said:
So, what if I wanted to collect nuclear warheads? Just owning them and collecting them brings me satisfaction! It's no different than old records.
I think you're mistaken in thinking that people don't like guns just because people don't like guns. People don't guns because people don't like murder, and the statistical facts show that the more guns in a society, the more murder in a society, both by volume and per capita (and don't put facts in quotations like they're some fictional story - you can ignore facts as long as you'd like, but they're still facts, and not your romantic view of them).
Guns - primary use case: to wield power by fear of and facilitation of injury or death.
Cars - primary use case: to move people between various geographic locations when walking is impermissible
Hammers - primary use case: in conjunction with nails, to construct (and on occasion, to crucify)
Drugs and alcohol - I agree we should do a better job of restricting these, especially the ones with addictive properties. Instead of saying that gun debate is meaningless because of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, I'd say that gun debate is meaningful in addition to issues surrounding rampant drug and alcohol abuse.
I think you're mistaken in thinking that people don't like guns just because people don't like guns. People don't guns because people don't like murder, and the statistical facts show that the more guns in a society, the more murder in a society, both by volume and per capita (and don't put facts in quotations like they're some fictional story - you can ignore facts as long as you'd like, but they're still facts, and not your romantic view of them). ....wrong, your also adding self defense deaths as well and that's not murder.
most of the "facts" about guns are a fictional story told by anti gun folks, what ever you dig up on the internet I can probably find something on the internet to counter it but what would be the point you will believe what you will as will I.
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HHAHHAHHAHHHAHAHAH ! I hear the same thing...but they're cheap LOL !!!PJPOWER said:
If it's a Hi-Point, I hear they make good paperweights, lol
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At least you're aware you're living in the echo chamber.Godfather. said:
So, what if I wanted to collect nuclear warheads? Just owning them and collecting them brings me satisfaction! It's no different than old records....go find one.
I think you're mistaken in thinking that people don't like guns just because people don't like guns. People don't guns because people don't like murder, and the statistical facts show that the more guns in a society, the more murder in a society, both by volume and per capita (and don't put facts in quotations like they're some fictional story - you can ignore facts as long as you'd like, but they're still facts, and not your romantic view of them). ....wrong, your also adding self defense deaths as well and that's not murder.
most of the "facts" about guns are a fictional story told by anti gun folks, what ever you dig up on the internet I can probably find something on the internet to counter it but what would be the point you will believe what you will as will I.
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I would argue the primary use of guns. What you described would be the design of the gun (I would possibly omit the fear part, and just say cause injury or death). But that would be the original design and original purpose of a gun. There are millions of gun owners in this country, and statistically almost none of them commit crimes with them. The primary use for the modern gun owner is sporting, protection and hunting, and I would guess probably in that order with sporting being by far the biggest reason for most gun purchases and use. And I do think that is why gun owners make the comparison, because to us it is another recreational tool that is misused. No one fears someone running into a theater throwing some crack everywhere, but there are a lot innocent deaths from drugs too, and probably even more innocent children with life long disabilities. And I don't understand why that is generally ignored. Most gun owners want gun restrictions, but many people want no restrictions on drugs?benjs said:
So, what if I wanted to collect nuclear warheads? Just owning them and collecting them brings me satisfaction! It's no different than old records.
I think you're mistaken in thinking that people don't like guns just because people don't like guns. People don't guns because people don't like murder, and the statistical facts show that the more guns in a society, the more murder in a society, both by volume and per capita (and don't put facts in quotations like they're some fictional story - you can ignore facts as long as you'd like, but they're still facts, and not your romantic view of them).
Guns - primary use case: to wield power by fear of and facilitation of injury or death.
Cars - primary use case: to move people between various geographic locations when walking is impermissible
Hammers - primary use case: in conjunction with nails, to construct (and on occasion, to crucify)
Drugs and alcohol - I agree we should do a better job of restricting these, especially the ones with addictive properties. Instead of saying that gun debate is meaningless because of rampant drug and alcohol abuse, I'd say that gun debate is meaningful in addition to issues surrounding rampant drug and alcohol abuse.
I do appreciate your acknowledgment that drugs and alcohol are a problem. They have been brought up several times in this forum and for the most part have been dismissed. But if an argument of less guns = less deaths by guns, wouldn't less drugs = less deaths by drugs be equally true? Think of all the great music we don't have because of drugs.0 -
so more guns equals less death in your eyes? your murder rate by use of guns per capita tells a wildly different story. it is indisputable. but hey, "facts" and "science" are just things used by nerds to "prove" things.Godfather. said:
. ....wrong, your also adding self defense deaths as well and that's not murder.
most of the "facts" about guns are a fictional story told by anti gun folks, what ever you dig up on the internet I can probably find something on the internet to counter it but what would be the point you will believe what you will as will I.
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everyone else can just wipe their ass and tell a story from it.
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lol ! thanks...I've never did the stuff so cotton looked cool to me lol !OffSheGoes35 said:Oxycontin, gf.
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good grief ! give up your own rights just leave mine alone. fabricated facts and nonsense seem to be the train way.
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what facts are fabricated? please be specific.Godfather. said:good grief ! give up your own rights just leave mine alone. fabricated facts and nonsense seem to be the train way.
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for the 137th time: it concerns me because I have american family. is that clear this time?By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
I'm sorry, but the basic right to live safely supersedes your right to own a typically lethal weapon. And along with HFD, I have American family, my dad is America, my siblings and I are all dual citizens. Saying a fact is fabricated does not make it so, nor does putting it in between quotation marks, nor declaring it nonsense.Godfather. said:good grief ! give up your own rights just leave mine alone. fabricated facts and nonsense seem to be the train way.
Godfather.'05 - TO, '06 - TO 1, '08 - NYC 1 & 2, '09 - TO, Chi 1 & 2, '10 - Buffalo, NYC 1 & 2, '11 - TO 1 & 2, Hamilton, '13 - Buffalo, Brooklyn 1 & 2, '15 - Global Citizen, '16 - TO 1 & 2, Chi 2
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