America's Gun Violence
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Many of the suicides by gun are very spur of the moment, like suicide attempts in general. The problem is that it is a very lethal method, like jumping, meaning that a far higher percentage of people attempting suicide by gun will end up dead and not have the opportunity to get treatment. However, te majority of people who attempt suicide and do not succeed, and then get appropriate treatment, regret their suicide attempt and are relieved that they didn't die. For these simple reasons, the easy availability of guns tends to increase the number of suicides.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sorry, I was going with the homicide numbers (300 in Chicago is about 2% of 11,000). not just deaths in general. I don't consider suicide a relevant stat to be honest. I support people's right to kill themselves (not that I don't also support better mental health care too!). I don't really care if they use a gun, a bridge, pills, a rope, whatever. I have read that some think people would not kill themselves if they didn't have access to a gun specifically... I dunno. I don't really buy that.mcgruff10 said:
my bad, not the country but in chicago.PJ_Soul said:
That number is WAY off apparently, according to this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/do-we-have-a-gang-problem_b_5071639.htmlmcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.
This sites that gang related gun deaths only account for 29% of gun deaths overall. Nonetheless, just end prohibition and a large portion of that gang/gun problem would probably go away (and no, it's not a hypocritical statement, lol, since I think the US's gun problem is its gun culture, not regulations... not that more rigorous background checks aren't needed too).
on a serious note, nearly 32,000 americans are killed by guns. but, (this is something we've hashed out lots) 60% of those deaths are deaths by suicide. so of course which grabs your attention more, 32,000 or approx 11,000.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
We're supposed to be working on legalizing marijuana.mcgruff10 said:what are canadian drug laws like? is weed legal? is heroin that bad up there?
Out populations are very similar though, Scruffy. We're more alike than unalike. I would assume we have our share of heroin usage. I know meth was problematic for many a few years back, but we don't see much evidence of it lately.
Again, all unfounded assumptions.
"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
In the small number of jurisdictions where drugs have been legalized or decriminalized (there are only a few in the world), the health improvements have been impressive. Deaths by overdose go down, transmission of infectious diseases go down, and people reducing or ceasing drug use goes up. Why? Mostly because people are no longer doing everything they can to avoid detection and criminal prosecution, so they are far more likely to be open to accessing health resources.mcgruff10 said:
Weed sure. The rest, no way. It s crazy how many heroin deaths are around here.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Or make drugs legal- a no brainer really.mcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Many of the murders are of the emotional response type as well- guns offering the means to act on such irrational thought with no regard for consequences.oftenreading said:
Many of the suicides by gun are very spur of the moment, like suicide attempts in general. The problem is that it is a very lethal method, like jumping, meaning that a far higher percentage of people attempting suicide by gun will end up dead and not have the opportunity to get treatment. However, te majority of people who attempt suicide and do not succeed, and then get appropriate treatment, regret their suicide attempt and are relieved that they didn't die. For these simple reasons, the easy availability of guns tends to increase the number of suicides.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sorry, I was going with the homicide numbers (300 in Chicago is about 2% of 11,000). not just deaths in general. I don't consider suicide a relevant stat to be honest. I support people's right to kill themselves (not that I don't also support better mental health care too!). I don't really care if they use a gun, a bridge, pills, a rope, whatever. I have read that some think people would not kill themselves if they didn't have access to a gun specifically... I dunno. I don't really buy that.mcgruff10 said:
my bad, not the country but in chicago.PJ_Soul said:
That number is WAY off apparently, according to this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/do-we-have-a-gang-problem_b_5071639.htmlmcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.
This sites that gang related gun deaths only account for 29% of gun deaths overall. Nonetheless, just end prohibition and a large portion of that gang/gun problem would probably go away (and no, it's not a hypocritical statement, lol, since I think the US's gun problem is its gun culture, not regulations... not that more rigorous background checks aren't needed too).
on a serious note, nearly 32,000 americans are killed by guns. but, (this is something we've hashed out lots) 60% of those deaths are deaths by suicide. so of course which grabs your attention more, 32,000 or approx 11,000."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Yes, good point, Thirty.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Many of the murders are of the emotional response type as well- guns offering the means to act on such irrational thought with no regard for consequences.oftenreading said:
Many of the suicides by gun are very spur of the moment, like suicide attempts in general. The problem is that it is a very lethal method, like jumping, meaning that a far higher percentage of people attempting suicide by gun will end up dead and not have the opportunity to get treatment. However, te majority of people who attempt suicide and do not succeed, and then get appropriate treatment, regret their suicide attempt and are relieved that they didn't die. For these simple reasons, the easy availability of guns tends to increase the number of suicides.PJ_Soul said:
Yes, sorry, I was going with the homicide numbers (300 in Chicago is about 2% of 11,000). not just deaths in general. I don't consider suicide a relevant stat to be honest. I support people's right to kill themselves (not that I don't also support better mental health care too!). I don't really care if they use a gun, a bridge, pills, a rope, whatever. I have read that some think people would not kill themselves if they didn't have access to a gun specifically... I dunno. I don't really buy that.mcgruff10 said:
my bad, not the country but in chicago.PJ_Soul said:
That number is WAY off apparently, according to this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/do-we-have-a-gang-problem_b_5071639.htmlmcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.
This sites that gang related gun deaths only account for 29% of gun deaths overall. Nonetheless, just end prohibition and a large portion of that gang/gun problem would probably go away (and no, it's not a hypocritical statement, lol, since I think the US's gun problem is its gun culture, not regulations... not that more rigorous background checks aren't needed too).
on a serious note, nearly 32,000 americans are killed by guns. but, (this is something we've hashed out lots) 60% of those deaths are deaths by suicide. so of course which grabs your attention more, 32,000 or approx 11,000.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
no, no way it will attract more users and drugs come at a costThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Or make drugs legal- a no brainer really.mcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.
more users = more aggravated theft
not to mention more of the mentally unstable on drugs not fitting in society = MORE SHOOTINGS0 -
No, where drugs have been legalized use tends to go down, not up.JWPearl said:
no, no way it will attract more users and drugs come at a costThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Or make drugs legal- a no brainer really.mcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.
more users = more aggravated theft
not to mention more of the mentally unstable on drugs not fitting in society = MORE SHOOTINGSmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
good readoftenreading said:
No, where drugs have been legalized use tends to go down, not up.JWPearl said:
no, no way it will attract more users and drugs come at a costThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Or make drugs legal- a no brainer really.mcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.
more users = more aggravated theft
not to mention more of the mentally unstable on drugs not fitting in society = MORE SHOOTINGS
https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/Resources/essays/legal-drugs-No.html0 -
Except that this is an opinion piece based on no evidence, and jurisdictions that have legalized/decriminalized in reality have seen reductions in use. So, not that great a read.JWPearl said:
good readoftenreading said:
No, where drugs have been legalized use tends to go down, not up.JWPearl said:
no, no way it will attract more users and drugs come at a costThirty Bills Unpaid said:
Or make drugs legal- a no brainer really.mcgruff10 said:
Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.PJ_Soul said:
Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?PJPOWER said:
Those other countries don't have Chicago.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
So it doesn't make sense to you?PJPOWER said:
Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".dignin said:
If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.PJPOWER said:oceaninmyeyes said:"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns
The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm
You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.
more users = more aggravated theft
not to mention more of the mentally unstable on drugs not fitting in society = MORE SHOOTINGS
https://www.physics.ohio-state.edu/~wilkins/writing/Resources/essays/legal-drugs-No.htmlmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
sorry but more people would use if it were legal its common sense
just like pot was readily available when we were kids0 -
Where did you live as a child that pot was legal?JWPearl said:sorry but more people would use if it were legal its common sense
just like pot was readily available when we were kidsmy small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
Sorry I explained myself wrong
My point is that pot is less liability drug so therefore more common and easy to get hold of without risk
So use and availability is increased0 -
Especially for experimenting teenagers0
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That link doesn't support your claim that more guns equals more lives saved. It's just 10 random acts.PJPOWER said:
Numerous, for example, any time someone has justifiably used one in self-defense during a home invasion. If they had zero guns, then it is quite possible they would be dead.Degeneratefk said:
Do you have any sources that say more guns equal more lives saved?PJPOWER said:
Getting tired of the "guns=more deaths by guns" rhetoric. Anyone could also say "more guns=more lives saved by guns" or "more burglars stopped by guns" or "more deer harvested by guns". I for one believe that deaths from guns is not "always" a bad thing. If someone dies because they were breaking into a house to rape a grandma and were shot by her, then I for one am glad for that death by gun. The situations vary, but "more gun deaths" is not 100% negative relative to the reasoning behind the shooting. Less guns=less people defending themselves with guns, etc, etc, etc.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'm not sure how you've jumped to that?PJPOWER said:
I'm just at a loss here. The same people that say that guns do not offer any protection are the ones defending people protecting others with guns...can't have it both ways. By the logic of previous posters (not specifically you Pjsoul), a celebrity's life would be at more risk because of the close proximity to firearms... At what point is or is not firearm a valid form of personal protection?PJ_Soul said:
I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.unsung said:
Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.Degeneratefk said:
Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?unsung said:
Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.Bentleyspop said:
A celebrity's life is more at risk given the range of mental stability that exists in the massive fan base spectrum.
Guns are certainly necessary given the amount of guns already in existence. At some point in time, proportionately speaking, you might find your country safer with fewer guns lying around waiting to be used.
More guns equals more deaths by guns. The statistic is irrefutable. Dance around it all you want, but its a losing argument.
Similar to saying "more water=more deaths by water" discounting that more water also = less people being thirsty...
Here are several examples. in some examples, having two guns present instead of only one save unknown numbers of lives.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/03/10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter/#10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter-2will myself to find a home, a home within myself
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Nobody wants to take your guns GF. Well... except for your machine guns or handguns.......then yes they do.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
The inmates run the asylum.Godfather. said:gun's will never leave the American landscape (thank goodness) if that ever happened we would be come a country of outlaws......then watch what happens, what's good for you may not be good for me but I'll be awfully angry if my rights to bare arms are taken away by some limp wristed political sissy, we should take a look at how many unregistered gun are estimated to be in America and how many registered guns are here as well, taking them away will never happen.
Godfather.
Nobody wants to take your guns GF. Well... except for your machine guns or handguns.
I was on this site at lunch last week and a colleague looked over my shoulder and saw the armed protestor at Landers' house. He was flabbergasted saying, "Where is that? Can they actually legally carry a gun like that? Can they actually legally own a gun like that? Wtf?"
I answered his questions. I told him they could buy a gun like that at the local sporting goods store. He just shook his head saying, "I knew they were a little f**ked, but not that f**ked. Holy shit."
That's just one man's opinion though.
Godfather.
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Whatever dude. In all of those examples, having more guns than 0 =lives being saved. In all honesty though, I'm half way trolling. I no longer take the anti-gun crowd around here seriously anymore due to the condescending nature of their posts and refusal to consider strategies for decreasing gun violence in any ways other than what has failed time after time. I've been round and round in this debate and no new ideas or meaningful solutions have been posted in a long time. Pure entertainment here.Degeneratefk said:
That link doesn't support your claim that more guns equals more lives saved. It's just 10 random acts.PJPOWER said:
Numerous, for example, any time someone has justifiably used one in self-defense during a home invasion. If they had zero guns, then it is quite possible they would be dead.Degeneratefk said:
Do you have any sources that say more guns equal more lives saved?PJPOWER said:
Getting tired of the "guns=more deaths by guns" rhetoric. Anyone could also say "more guns=more lives saved by guns" or "more burglars stopped by guns" or "more deer harvested by guns". I for one believe that deaths from guns is not "always" a bad thing. If someone dies because they were breaking into a house to rape a grandma and were shot by her, then I for one am glad for that death by gun. The situations vary, but "more gun deaths" is not 100% negative relative to the reasoning behind the shooting. Less guns=less people defending themselves with guns, etc, etc, etc.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'm not sure how you've jumped to that?PJPOWER said:
I'm just at a loss here. The same people that say that guns do not offer any protection are the ones defending people protecting others with guns...can't have it both ways. By the logic of previous posters (not specifically you Pjsoul), a celebrity's life would be at more risk because of the close proximity to firearms... At what point is or is not firearm a valid form of personal protection?PJ_Soul said:
I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.unsung said:
Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.Degeneratefk said:
Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?unsung said:
Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.Bentleyspop said:
A celebrity's life is more at risk given the range of mental stability that exists in the massive fan base spectrum.
Guns are certainly necessary given the amount of guns already in existence. At some point in time, proportionately speaking, you might find your country safer with fewer guns lying around waiting to be used.
More guns equals more deaths by guns. The statistic is irrefutable. Dance around it all you want, but its a losing argument.
Similar to saying "more water=more deaths by water" discounting that more water also = less people being thirsty...
Here are several examples. in some examples, having two guns present instead of only one save unknown numbers of lives.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/03/10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter/#10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter-2Post edited by PJPOWER on0 -
if you look at it any other way you'd just be disappointed, most of the folks here are steadfast democrats which is fine, not too many members are willing to peek over the fence or so to speak.PJPOWER said:
Whatever dude. In all of those examples, having more guns than 0 =lives being saved. In all honesty though, I'm half way trolling. I no longer take the anti-gun crowd around here seriously anymore due to the condescending nature of their posts and refusal to consider strategies for decreasing gun violence in any ways other than what has failed time after time. I've been round and round in this debate and no new ideas or meaningful solutions have been posted in a long time. Pure entertainment here.Degeneratefk said:
That link doesn't support your claim that more guns equals more lives saved. It's just 10 random acts.PJPOWER said:
Numerous, for example, any time someone has justifiably used one in self-defense during a home invasion. If they had zero guns, then it is quite possible they would be dead.Degeneratefk said:
Do you have any sources that say more guns equal more lives saved?PJPOWER said:
Getting tired of the "guns=more deaths by guns" rhetoric. Anyone could also say "more guns=more lives saved by guns" or "more burglars stopped by guns" or "more deer harvested by guns". I for one believe that deaths from guns is not "always" a bad thing. If someone dies because they were breaking into a house to rape a grandma and were shot by her, then I for one am glad for that death by gun. The situations vary, but "more gun deaths" is not 100% negative relative to the reasoning behind the shooting. Less guns=less people defending themselves with guns, etc, etc, etc.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'm not sure how you've jumped to that?PJPOWER said:
I'm just at a loss here. The same people that say that guns do not offer any protection are the ones defending people protecting others with guns...can't have it both ways. By the logic of previous posters (not specifically you Pjsoul), a celebrity's life would be at more risk because of the close proximity to firearms... At what point is or is not firearm a valid form of personal protection?PJ_Soul said:
I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.unsung said:
Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.Degeneratefk said:
Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?unsung said:
Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.Bentleyspop said:
A celebrity's life is more at risk given the range of mental stability that exists in the massive fan base spectrum.
Guns are certainly necessary given the amount of guns already in existence. At some point in time, proportionately speaking, you might find your country safer with fewer guns lying around waiting to be used.
More guns equals more deaths by guns. The statistic is irrefutable. Dance around it all you want, but its a losing argument.
Similar to saying "more water=more deaths by water" discounting that more water also = less people being thirsty...
Here are several examples. in some examples, having two guns present instead of only one save unknown numbers of lives.
http://www.personaldefenseworld.com/2015/03/10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter/#10-cases-where-an-armed-citizen-took-down-an-active-shooter-2
Godfather.
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Anybody who wants to smoke pot nowadays does so. It is hardly challenging to obtain.JWPearl said:sorry but more people would use if it were legal its common sense
just like pot was readily available when we were kids
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From your initial argument, you're trying to make the point that legalizing drugs will make them more available and thus increase use. In fact, your example makes a completely different point - that even where drugs are illegal they are generally very easy to obtain. Where I live, meth is dirt cheap. It's hard to imagine it getting even cheaper if it were legalized.JWPearl said:Sorry I explained myself wrong
My point is that pot is less liability drug so therefore more common and easy to get hold of without risk
So use and availability is increased
The main thing that keeping drugs illegal does is increase the number of people involved in the criminal justice system, thus clogging up the courts and jails, and making it difficult for people thereafter to get jobs because of their criminal records.my small self... like a book amongst the many on a shelf0 -
This seems relevant. I thought Australia was the euphoric gun free zone that the anti-gun crowd always dreamed of...
http://www.theage.com.au/comment/the-age-editorial/surge-in-melbourne-gun-crimes-compels-crackdown-20160912-greg1j.html0
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