America's Gun Violence

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PP193448 said:

Sometimes guns are used for killing the bad guys...
http://fox4kc.com/2016/09/13/second-suspect-arrested-and-charged-in-shawnee-wal-mart-shooting/

So those of you who strongly oppose guns wouldn't be thanking the law abiding citizen from saving more deaths by shooting the criminal before the police could ever show up...

Given the reality... of course we'd be thanking the 'good guys'.

Mathematics will tell you that it's inevitable there are going to be some success stories sprinkled in with all the tragedies. They are not even remotely comparable if you wish to consider the ratios though.

Firearms have prevented more deaths and crime then committing deaths and crime. Our good buddy Obama had the cdc do a study on it. The number did not support his narrative so the report didn't get the publicity he was wanting.

"The Institute of Medicine and the National Research Council released the results of their research through the CDC last month. Researchers compiled data from previous studies in order to guide future research on gun violence, noting that “almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million per year.”

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

Sounds to me like people are not seeking adequate mental health treatment. Let's go ahead and tell them that their mental health diagnosis will be logged in a government database, that's sure to make them more willing to seek help...

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

PJ_Soul said:

unsung said:

Degeneratefk said:

unsung said:

Bentleyspop said:

https://pearljam.com/news/organizers-of-the-concert-across-america-to-end-gun-violence-today-announced-that-eddie-vedder-of-pearl-jam-has-joined-the-lineup-for-the-nationwide-concerts-headliner-event-at-new-yorks-beacon-theatre-on-september-25-the-congressionally-designated-date-t

Must be nice to have the money for personal bodyguards.

Does EVs body guards walk around with AR-15s?

Considering his views on the subject if they are armed it would make him quite the hypocrite.

I thought I read somewhere that they are armed... but how would that make him a hypocrite? I never heard that he didn't think security guards or the police shouldn't be armed. I would imagine that he, like most others, is a logical person who understands that certain jobs actually do justify being armed.

I'm just at a loss here. The same people that say that guns do not offer any protection are the ones defending people protecting others with guns...can't have it both ways. By the logic of previous posters (not specifically you Pjsoul), a celebrity's life would be at more risk because of the close proximity to firearms... At what point is or is not firearm a valid form of personal protection?

I'm not sure how you've jumped to that?

A celebrity's life is more at risk given the range of mental stability that exists in the massive fan base spectrum.

Guns are certainly necessary given the amount of guns already in existence. At some point in time, proportionately speaking, you might find your country safer with fewer guns lying around waiting to be used.

More guns equals more deaths by guns. The statistic is irrefutable. Dance around it all you want, but its a losing argument.

Getting tired of the "guns=more deaths by guns" rhetoric. Anyone could also say "more guns=more lives saved by guns" or "more burglars stopped by guns" or "more deer harvested by guns". I for one believe that deaths from guns is not "always" a bad thing. If someone dies because they were breaking into a house to rape a grandma and were shot by her, then I for one am glad for that death by gun. The situations vary, but "more gun deaths" is not 100% negative relative to the reasoning behind the shooting. Less guns=less people defending themselves with guns, etc, etc, etc.
Similar to saying "more water=more deaths by water" discounting that more water also = less people being thirsty...

Do you have any sources that say more guns equal more lives saved?

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".

So it doesn't make sense to you?

You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.

Those other countries don't have Chicago.

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".

So it doesn't make sense to you?

You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.

Those other countries don't have Chicago.

Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?

Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".

So it doesn't make sense to you?

You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.

Those other countries don't have Chicago.

It's just too easy, in your country, to murder someone with a gun.

With access and ownership, people become brazen. Look at Unsung's attitude earlier when he said my colleague sounded 'like a wuss' for being astounded looking at a citizen in a residential neighborhood armed like a soldier.

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".

So it doesn't make sense to you?

You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.

Those other countries don't have Chicago.

Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?

Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.

Or make drugs legal- a no brainer really.

Weed sure. The rest, no way. It s crazy how many heroin deaths are around here.

PJ_Soul said:

mcgruff10 said:

PJ_Soul said:

PJPOWER said:

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:

PJPOWER said:

dignin said:

PJPOWER said:

oceaninmyeyes said:

"There are 20,000 gun suicides in the U.S. every year, more than 50 every single day. That’s more than half of all suicides and two-thirds of all gun deaths.
Research shows a gun in the home makes a suicide three times more likely.The firearm suicide rate has increased more than 13 percent between 2007 and 2013
Suicide is the second leading cause of death among adolescents and young adults aged 10 to 24 years
85 to 91 percent of firearm suicide attempts are fatal"
bradycampaign.org/the-truth-about-suicide-guns

The percentages of suicides attributable to firearms and poisoning were lower in 2014 than in 1999 for both females and males.
http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/products/databriefs/db241.htm

If I remember correctly, gun ownership (by household) has gone down in that time period. That could be the cause of less suicides by firearm.....but that is pure speculation on my part.

Evidently they want "sources" around here, lol. I just hate the more=more and less=less argument. It disregards all of the other factors that may be effecting the stats. As my Sociology professor drilled into our brains time after time, "Corrolation does not mean causation". There are so many factors socially and economically that effect suicide/homicide rates besides "people have guns".

So it doesn't make sense to you?

You're trying to deflect here. Of course there are causal or motivational factors, but the correlation is- as I said earlier- irrefutable. Especially when you compare the US to other countries with many of the same problems, yet nowhere near as armed and nowhere near as many gun homicides.

Those other countries don't have Chicago.

Lol, Chicago accounts for about 2% of it. How do you account for the other 98%?

Pretty sure around 75% of gun deaths in this country are gang related. So it s probably time to step it up and make these types of gang activities illegal.

That number is WAY off apparently, according to this article: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/evan-defilippis/do-we-have-a-gang-problem_b_5071639.html
This sites that gang related gun deaths only account for 29% of gun deaths overall. Nonetheless, just end prohibition and a large portion of that gang/gun problem would probably go away (and no, it's not a hypocritical statement, lol, since I think the US's gun problem is its gun culture, not regulations... not that more rigorous background checks aren't needed too).

my bad, not the country but in chicago.
on a serious note, nearly 32,000 americans are killed by guns. but, (this is something we've hashed out lots) 60% of those deaths are deaths by suicide. so of course which grabs your attention more, 32,000 or approx 11,000.