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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited September 2016
    Godfather. said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was at my buddy's cottage over the weekend. I noticed the shotgun that used to sit above the fireplace was gone. He said that when his dad died, his dad being the only registered firearms user, the cops came and took it and gave my buddy a tax receipt for a charitible donation. this would have made national headlines in the states. my buddy was like "yeah, makes sense".

    ohhhh yeah that would never work at my house but guess if the people give up their right to gun ownership then that's what they get, kind of scary in my opinion that the police can come to your home and take a family possession be it a gun or anything else.

    Godfather.

    Aren't you against drugs? What if the cops came and took away the family pot stash now that grandpa, the only one with the medical marijuana card, died? The solution would be for the others to go and get their own medical marijuana card so they can legally keep the stash in the house. This is no different. I'm sure someone could have become a registered firearms user themselves and kept the gun, but they didn't.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    edited September 2016
    PJ_Soul.........I'm just going to leave that one alone, back in the(very early) 80's they did come and take the family stash LOL ! and they weren't very nice about it either LOL !!!!!

    Godfather.
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    they came and took your buds granddad's rifle? they should try dealin with Hastings street instead of worrying about confiscating honest people's rifles in Vancouver. imo
    And one can really use a rifle up there what with all the moose attacks, lmao
  • rssesq
    rssesq Fairfield County Posts: 3,299
    this is how the brownshirts rounded up the arms in Germany, lol
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was at my buddy's cottage over the weekend. I noticed the shotgun that used to sit above the fireplace was gone. He said that when his dad died, his dad being the only registered firearms user, the cops came and took it and gave my buddy a tax receipt for a charitible donation. this would have made national headlines in the states. my buddy was like "yeah, makes sense".

  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    rssesq said:

    they came and took your buds granddad's rifle? they should try dealin with Hastings street instead of worrying about confiscating honest people's rifles in Vancouver. imo
    And one can really use a rifle up there what with all the moose attacks, lmao

    HFD lives in Winnipeg, not Vancouver.
    At any rate, if they'd don't what needed to be done to keep the gun they could have kept it. Sounds like they chose not to bother. This is a very good thing to me. If family could just legally keep the guns of those who died without doing any paperwork or meeting any criteria, that would be pretty damn stupid. Who knows where those guns might end up.
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    rssesq said:

    they came and took your buds granddad's rifle? they should try dealin with Hastings street instead of worrying about confiscating honest people's rifles in Vancouver. imo
    And one can really use a rifle up there what with all the moose attacks, lmao

    Winnipeg. My buddy's dad. No one was a registered firearms user, as pj soul said, had he been, he could have applied to keep it. he didn't. it's gone. no harm, no foul. he doesn't hunt.
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was at my buddy's cottage over the weekend. I noticed the shotgun that used to sit above the fireplace was gone. He said that when his dad died, his dad being the only registered firearms user, the cops came and took it and gave my buddy a tax receipt for a charitible donation. this would have made national headlines in the states. my buddy was like "yeah, makes sense".

    This is why the second amendment needs updated. If you want to own a gun, then register. I love that idea. If you're not registered, you don't own a gun.

    And for you "my right to bear arms shall not be infringed" crowd, it would be like getting your driver's license. When you turn 18, you take a 24 hour class and you're registered. See, it's that easy. Oh, so if your illiterate you can't own a gun you ask? Yes, you can, when you learn to read. Get over it.
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    Degeneratefk said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was at my buddy's cottage over the weekend. I noticed the shotgun that used to sit above the fireplace was gone. He said that when his dad died, his dad being the only registered firearms user, the cops came and took it and gave my buddy a tax receipt for a charitible donation. this would have made national headlines in the states. my buddy was like "yeah, makes sense".

    This is why the second amendment needs updated. If you want to own a gun, then register. I love that idea. If you're not registered, you don't own a gun.

    And for you "my right to bear arms shall not be infringed" crowd, it would be like getting your driver's license. When you turn 18, you take a 24 hour class and you're registered. See, it's that easy. Oh, so if your illiterate you can't own a gun you ask? Yes, you can, when you learn to read. Get over it.
    soooooo one must learn to read before owning or registering a firearm......well then it would make perfect sense to apply the same law or reasoning when registering to be come a citizen of the united states or when registering to vote or drive a car, welfare or any government assistance......but most of all becoming a citizen of the United States......isn't that the law now ? at least being able to speak English ?.......sure could of fooled me.

    Godfather.

  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    Godfather. said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was at my buddy's cottage over the weekend. I noticed the shotgun that used to sit above the fireplace was gone. He said that when his dad died, his dad being the only registered firearms user, the cops came and took it and gave my buddy a tax receipt for a charitible donation. this would have made national headlines in the states. my buddy was like "yeah, makes sense".

    This is why the second amendment needs updated. If you want to own a gun, then register. I love that idea. If you're not registered, you don't own a gun.

    And for you "my right to bear arms shall not be infringed" crowd, it would be like getting your driver's license. When you turn 18, you take a 24 hour class and you're registered. See, it's that easy. Oh, so if your illiterate you can't own a gun you ask? Yes, you can, when you learn to read. Get over it.
    soooooo one must learn to read before owning or registering a firearm......well then it would make perfect sense to apply the same law or reasoning when registering to be come a citizen of the united states or when registering to vote or drive a car, welfare or any government assistance......but most of all becoming a citizen of the United States......isn't that the law now ? at least being able to speak English ?.......sure could of fooled me.

    Godfather.

    Yes, you should know how to read to legally own a gun.
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    Godfather. said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was at my buddy's cottage over the weekend. I noticed the shotgun that used to sit above the fireplace was gone. He said that when his dad died, his dad being the only registered firearms user, the cops came and took it and gave my buddy a tax receipt for a charitible donation. this would have made national headlines in the states. my buddy was like "yeah, makes sense".

    This is why the second amendment needs updated. If you want to own a gun, then register. I love that idea. If you're not registered, you don't own a gun.

    And for you "my right to bear arms shall not be infringed" crowd, it would be like getting your driver's license. When you turn 18, you take a 24 hour class and you're registered. See, it's that easy. Oh, so if your illiterate you can't own a gun you ask? Yes, you can, when you learn to read. Get over it.
    soooooo one must learn to read before owning or registering a firearm......well then it would make perfect sense to apply the same law or reasoning when registering to be come a citizen of the united states or when registering to vote or drive a car, welfare or any government assistance......but most of all becoming a citizen of the United States......isn't that the law now ? at least being able to speak English ?.......sure could of fooled me.

    Godfather.

    where is it law that you need to speak english to become a US citizen?
    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    Godfather. said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    HughFreakingDillon said:

    I was at my buddy's cottage over the weekend. I noticed the shotgun that used to sit above the fireplace was gone. He said that when his dad died, his dad being the only registered firearms user, the cops came and took it and gave my buddy a tax receipt for a charitible donation. this would have made national headlines in the states. my buddy was like "yeah, makes sense".

    This is why the second amendment needs updated. If you want to own a gun, then register. I love that idea. If you're not registered, you don't own a gun.

    And for you "my right to bear arms shall not be infringed" crowd, it would be like getting your driver's license. When you turn 18, you take a 24 hour class and you're registered. See, it's that easy. Oh, so if your illiterate you can't own a gun you ask? Yes, you can, when you learn to read. Get over it.
    soooooo one must learn to read before owning or registering a firearm......well then it would make perfect sense to apply the same law or reasoning when registering to be come a citizen of the united states or when registering to vote or drive a car, welfare or any government assistance......but most of all becoming a citizen of the United States......isn't that the law now ? at least being able to speak English ?.......sure could of fooled me.

    Godfather.

    where is it law that you need to speak english to become a US citizen?
    not sure but lets look it up.

    Godfather.

  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship

    this is pretty good, it says you must take a test in English and US history, looks like law to me.

    Godfather.
  • Godfather.
    Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    The Naturalization Test


    To become a naturalized U.S. citizen, you must pass the naturalization test. At your naturalization interview, you will be required to answer questions about your application and background. You will also take an English and civics test unless you qualify for an exemption or waiver.

    For more information, see USCIS Policy Manual English and Civics Testing Guidance.

    Study Materials

    USCIS offers a variety of study materials, including:
    •Study Materials for the Civics Test
    •Study Materials for the English Test

    These and other citizenship resources for immigrants, educators, and organizations are available on the Citizenship Resource Center website.

    Exceptions from English & Civics Requirements

    For information on exceptions or modifications to the English and civics requirements for naturalization, visit our Exceptions & Accommodations page.

    If You Don’t Pass

    You will be given two opportunities to take the English and civics tests and to answer all questions relating to your naturalization application in English. If you fail any of the tests at your initial interview, you will be retested on the portion of the test that you failed (English or civics) between 60 and 90 days from the date of your initial interview. See 8 CFR 312.5(a) and 335.3(b).




  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    So why shouldn't you have to e able to read to own a gun?
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    Degeneratefk said:

    So why shouldn't you have to e able to read to own a gun?

    I'm good with that. Just seems like common sense. Should have to be able to read to drive, own a gun, vote, become a citizen, etc...
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited September 2016
    Godfather. said:

    https://www.uscis.gov/us-citizenship

    this is pretty good, it says you must take a test in English and US history, looks like law to me.

    Godfather.

    Good thing you're not a lawyer then, lol. "Most" need to pass a test, but that doesn't mean they have to know or speak English (and apparently some don't even have to do the test). FYI, those English exams are ridiculous. People who don't speak English just memorize the answers, which are out there to find. And the people giving the test know it. If they wanted to give a harder, more comprehensive test they could, but they choose not to. People who barely speak English can fudge their way through, happens all the time. Anyway, passing that test does not in any way mean that people are required to speak, use, or write English if they don't want to. People have the right to go their entire lives without speaking English in America. Now, I don't think that is a very wise decision to make obviously, but for their sakes, not yours. I don't give a flying fuck about the people who don't like other people speaking some other language. I just figure it makes life somewhat more difficult for the new citizen if they don't know how to speak English.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,642
    edited September 2016
    jeffbr said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    So why shouldn't you have to e able to read to own a gun?

    I'm good with that. Just seems like common sense. Should have to be able to read to drive, own a gun, vote, become a citizen, etc...
    To vote or drive?? What if someone just had that shitty a life or a learning or mental disability so that they never learned? What if the education system failed them? They shouldn't be able to vote? And for driving, everything driving-related that has to be known by drivers is done with symbols, so there really isn't any reason for someone to know how to read to follow the rules of the road, technically.... Not sure how someone who can't read would get through the written tests though. I would assume there are audio versions, for them and for the blind I guess.
    Post edited by PJ_Soul on
    With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    PJ_Soul said:

    jeffbr said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    So why shouldn't you have to e able to read to own a gun?

    I'm good with that. Just seems like common sense. Should have to be able to read to drive, own a gun, vote, become a citizen, etc...
    To vote or drive?? What if someone just had that shitty a life or a learning or mental disability so that they never learned? What if the education system failed them? They shouldn't be able to vote? And for driving, everything driving-related that has to be known by drivers is done with symbols, so there really isn't any reason for someone to know how to read to follow the rules of the road, technically.... Not sure how someone who can't read would get through the written tests though. I would assume there are audio versions, for them and for the blind I guess.
    There are plenty of street signs and traffic signs around me that would require reading. Crazy and often confusing no parking signs, accident/construction warnings, etc... I think reading is a more important requirement for driving and voting than for gun ownership, but I'm happy to lump them all in. I'd prefer that people who are blind neither drive, nor own guns.
    "I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/08
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,449
    jeffbr said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jeffbr said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    So why shouldn't you have to e able to read to own a gun?

    I'm good with that. Just seems like common sense. Should have to be able to read to drive, own a gun, vote, become a citizen, etc...
    To vote or drive?? What if someone just had that shitty a life or a learning or mental disability so that they never learned? What if the education system failed them? They shouldn't be able to vote? And for driving, everything driving-related that has to be known by drivers is done with symbols, so there really isn't any reason for someone to know how to read to follow the rules of the road, technically.... Not sure how someone who can't read would get through the written tests though. I would assume there are audio versions, for them and for the blind I guess.
    There are plenty of street signs and traffic signs around me that would require reading. Crazy and often confusing no parking signs, accident/construction warnings, etc... I think reading is a more important requirement for driving and voting than for gun ownership, but I'm happy to lump them all in. I'd prefer that people who are blind neither drive, nor own guns.
    :rofl:

    Hugh Freaking Dillon is currently out of the office, returning sometime in the fall




  • Degeneratefk
    Degeneratefk Posts: 3,123
    jeffbr said:

    PJ_Soul said:

    jeffbr said:

    Degeneratefk said:

    So why shouldn't you have to e able to read to own a gun?

    I'm good with that. Just seems like common sense. Should have to be able to read to drive, own a gun, vote, become a citizen, etc...
    To vote or drive?? What if someone just had that shitty a life or a learning or mental disability so that they never learned? What if the education system failed them? They shouldn't be able to vote? And for driving, everything driving-related that has to be known by drivers is done with symbols, so there really isn't any reason for someone to know how to read to follow the rules of the road, technically.... Not sure how someone who can't read would get through the written tests though. I would assume there are audio versions, for them and for the blind I guess.
    There are plenty of street signs and traffic signs around me that would require reading. Crazy and often confusing no parking signs, accident/construction warnings, etc... I think reading is a more important requirement for driving and voting than for gun ownership, but I'm happy to lump them all in. I'd prefer that people who are blind neither drive, nor own guns.
    You can't take away their 2nd amendment right because they can't see. Shame on you.
    will myself to find a home, a home within myself
    we will find a way, we will find our place
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