Something about teacher's pay...

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2016

Hmmm...

Most of all?

1. Teaching is immeasurable. You can't quantify when good teaching has occurred... you can only tell when it has or hasn't happened.

2. The public needs to embrace its teaching force. It needs to be prepared to not only compensate teachers for their efforts, but also respect the same efforts. It needs to encourage people to enter the profession and succeed- both professionally and personally- within it.

3. Teachers unions need to be prepared to negotiate a model of accountability into contracts. Exactly how 'accountability' might be measured... I'm not entirely sure (although I do have ideas I won't go into at this moment).

The public would likely go along with item 2 if they knew there were legitimate steps employers could take to support and/or relieve poor performers.

brianlux · August 2016

Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Hmmm...

Most of all?

1. Teaching is immeasurable. You can't quantify when good teaching has occurred... you can only tell when it has or hasn't happened.

2. The public needs to embrace its teaching force. It needs to be prepared to not only compensate teachers for their efforts, but also respect the same efforts. It needs to encourage people to enter the profession and succeed- both professionally and personally- within it.

3. Teachers unions need to be prepared to negotiate a model of accountability into contracts. Exactly how 'accountability' might be measured... I'm not entirely sure (although I do have ideas I won't go into at this moment).

The public would likely go along with item 2 if they knew there were legitimate steps employers could take to support and/or relieve poor performers.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2016

brianlux said:

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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Hmmm...

Most of all?

1. Teaching is immeasurable. You can't quantify when good teaching has occurred... you can only tell when it has or hasn't happened.

2. The public needs to embrace its teaching force. It needs to be prepared to not only compensate teachers for their efforts, but also respect the same efforts. It needs to encourage people to enter the profession and succeed- both professionally and personally- within it.

3. Teachers unions need to be prepared to negotiate a model of accountability into contracts. Exactly how 'accountability' might be measured... I'm not entirely sure (although I do have ideas I won't go into at this moment).

The public would likely go along with item 2 if they knew there were legitimate steps employers could take to support and/or relieve poor performers.

Cheers!

OffSheGoes35 · August 2016

Thirty,
#2 - I just made a joke about not being a parent, but I do know that it is important for the public to respect/embrace educators, regardless of whether one has children or not. Glad you phrased it that way.

Excellent answers from you both!

what dreams · August 2016

Oh brother. This is ridiculous. Union members have *individual* negotiating power? Huh?

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what dreams said:
First of all, I am a "she." I like being a "she," so please stop referring to me as a "he." As someone has pointed out, 80% of teachers are women, so statistically, at least one of you could have figured that out. Maybe you didn't get the probability lessons in your math classes. I don't know.

Secondly, I teach in a right to work state. There are no union contracts in my state. I will check the statistics on this as well, but I'm pretty sure that in most states, there are no union contracts. I know there are none in the south, and those are the worst states of all to be a teacher -- and perhaps not coincidentally, a student. I have no "tenure." I am subject to the same evaluation process that a brand new teacher undergoes, every single year, and 60% of the score on my job evaluation is tied to student outcomes. If I fuck up, I could be put on an action plan. If I don't improve, I can be fired. Easily. I don't get a lawyer who fights my termination while I still get paid. But as I pointed out, my students perform exceedingly well, consistently. So there will never be any reason to fire me. Why fire a great teacher -- because she doesn't answer a damn e-mail?

Thirdly, the working class, immigrant parents in my diverse community like me because they know their kids will both behave and learn in my classroom. They know their child is my number one priority, so the missed e-mails are a non-issue with them. The ones I answer right away are the ones from the affluent, white, jack-ass parents because, well, I know they will be jack-asses if I don't explain right away why their little cupcake got a B+ instead of an A. The kids, speaking of grades, don't need their papers back right away, because when they are working -- and I keep them working bell to bell -- I am walking around the room, in many cases sitting side by side with them, telling them exactly what they are doing right and what they need to revise. They know what they have learned or didn't learn before the damned papers are even marked because I TALK to them. Last year we had a new principal. One day she stopped me to let me know she liked what she was seeing in my classroom. She said, "You are always with kids. I never see you when you are not surrounded by kids. Is that a deliberate choice to always be present that way?" And I'm like, "Isn't that my job?"

As I said (and someone else echoed) -- what happens at my home after hours does not affect students. It's the relationships I build with them in the classroom. It's my thorough understanding of my content which, if I do *any* homework, it's that -- continuing to learn and grow in my chosen field. It's my ability to communicate my content in a way that makes sense to them. It's the creative application of my content in activities they enjoy. It doesn't require hours and hours of labor over the kitchen table into the wee hours of the morning to make that happen. In fact, it is exactly because I do live a balanced life that I have the energy to give everything I've got while I'm in the building.

Lastly, I know I am not the norm, because I've been teaching for 23 years. Statistically, 23 years is not the norm. Our current teaching corps is very young. Young new teachers have to learn how to create this balance and command of the classroom (and thankfully for my district, like I said, I am a mentor teacher and trainer). Until they do learn this lesson, they will always be stuck in their ridiculous role of carrying home the teacher bag and wasting their time on low-yield practices, and probably miserable in their job. I know most teachers look at me like I'm crazy when I say "Don't bring work home." Many do it because they can't let go of the martyr complex that society has imposed on our profession. I'm not a martyr, but I do love my job. If I had burnt out and quit at year 5 because of all the other bullshit, I would never have had the honor of knowing so many talented and lovable kids, helping their families to send them out into the world as functional, critically thinking readers and writers.

So my final word in this entire thread (since apparently I write too much for some brains to deal with)? All the Frees of the World can kiss my ass. From what I can tell, with all their negativity about everything, they have impacted NOTHING, and never will. I can hold my life's work up to theirs and dance circles around them when it comes to making a positive impact on public education. Nothing any of them can say about my salary, my hours, my contract, or my competence will ever change that fact.
what dreams, I really SO much like a LOT of what you wrote here. I just wish to fucking hell (please don't use my language in your class, ms dreams) we could all have conversations like this over coffee, beer or whatever rolls your socks because what really matter here the most is that all of us seem to have a concern about education and if we put our heads together we might untangle one more piece of the twisted puzzle sculpture that is modern society. And all this is not just about the teachers, it's not just about the kids, it's about everything that all of us do and touch and visa versa.

We do too much jabbing at each other. Mostly we all do that. Me? I do. Guilty? Yeah.. When we do that, we're just kids again calling names and throwing chalk.

Interesting thread. I figured it would die on page one.

P.S. Here's an aside: I hate the red "Post edited by..." letters. They scream at me for having had to edit in the first place rather than give me a gold star for doing so.

Death to the little red letters!
Thank you, Brian. Like I said, I am not a martyr. Unlike Jesus, I will not turn the other cheek when someone jabs first, especially when someone attacks my integrity as a professional. Funny how you never reprimand your buddy Free when he attacks people -- always first.
yet not once have you addressed to 50 to 70 less days a year you work than other professionals. again no one is questioning that teachers work hard or are important. the numbers don't lie. less days equals less pay and that is what the original post and study was about. 23% less pay but 50 to 70 less days per year. seems a fairly easy concept to understand to me. not sure why pointing it out is somehow at attack on teachers and their credibility but sure seems like that is what has happened.
It's true. We get paid per diem. I said that. What's there to address? If we had more days in our contract, we would get paid more. There's nothing more to say. I don't create the contract. I have no negotiating power whatsoever. I don't see what your point is. My point was that teachers should work to contract and stop providing the public with free labor. For that I received a bunch of snarky feedback about how I must not be very good at what I do. F that.

Goodbye. Not getting sucked into this.
That's not true, at least in my state. Each individual has negotiating power when it's contract renewal time. You also said you get paid close to 100k, so... You would get paid much more if you didn't have all that time off?

I have never said I get paid close to 100 grand. I'm not sure where you read that, but it wasn't me.

what dreams · August 2016

OffSheGoes35 said:
Ok...here is what I would like to know, and I understand if certain people/posters are through with this thread...

1. Free, I would like to know more about the 2 problems you mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't think you ever got a chance to elaborate on those 2 issues you spoke of...

2. Whatdreams, I would like to know more about how changes in parenting have impacted the way you feel about teaching.

3. Thirty and brianlux, what would you like most of all for the average lay person to understand about teaching?

OffSheGoes, I feel a major concern right now for the growing amount of mental health issues I see cropping up in students. I have had more students institutionalized in the past three years than I have in the previous 20. I have had multiple students in the past few years with diagnosed anxiety disorders at age 13 and 14. Many, many more go undiagnosed with major depressive symptoms. I'm just terribly concerned that most parents are either not paying any attention at all to their kids or they're paying the wrong kind of attention and making their children anxious and depressed with really dysfunctional parenting. I see very few healthy relationships between parents and their children, and that bleeds over into my job. I can't educate an unwell brain.

brianlux · August 2016

I think we can agree that teacher pay, quality of schooling including the human interaction aspect, resources and infrastructure varies around this country (let alone the world) like crazy. I've seen them all, rat infested leaky roofed American Indian school and schools for children of Hispanic farm workers/ field hands. an institution for mostly inner city black kids living in large dorms and getting their last shot at job training before very likely ending up in jail (that job was intense, almost got killed on that one). Schools for children of wealthy professionals. Alternative schools. I've worked in all of these. It's different all over.

But the bottom line is, the article talked about averages. Statistics, ho hum.

(Random thought)

Oh, and Free, you asked me if I taught. Yes.
-One year in an eastern New York State high school with black listed unruly delinquents who could not be maintained/controlled in a regular class. I learned more from these kids than in any other teaching experience.
-One year in a Job Corps Training site.
-Two full years with a fifth/sixth grade combo.
-One year homeschooling a fourth grade student.
-Five years subbing (mostly grades 6-12 but did 'em all from K up).
-One year at a county job training site.
-Two years tutoring adults.
-Two years in a Health Library (I consider this a teaching position)
-Two years program assistant at our local college.

I think that's all of them but it's hard to remember. I've had a little over thirty different types of jobs.

brianlux · August 2016

what dreams said:

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OffSheGoes35 said:
Ok...here is what I would like to know, and I understand if certain people/posters are through with this thread...

1. Free, I would like to know more about the 2 problems you mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't think you ever got a chance to elaborate on those 2 issues you spoke of...

2. Whatdreams, I would like to know more about how changes in parenting have impacted the way you feel about teaching.

3. Thirty and brianlux, what would you like most of all for the average lay person to understand about teaching?
OffSheGoes, I feel a major concern right now for the growing amount of mental health issues I see cropping up in students. I have had more students institutionalized in the past three years than I have in the previous 20. I have had multiple students in the past few years with diagnosed anxiety disorders at age 13 and 14. Many, many more go undiagnosed with major depressive symptoms. I'm just terribly concerned that most parents are either not paying any attention at all to their kids or they're paying the wrong kind of attention and making their children anxious and depressed with really dysfunctional parenting. I see very few healthy relationships between parents and their children, and that bleeds over into my job. I can't educate an unwell brain.

Is it any wonder? From their perspective, I can only imagine how crazy this world seems to them. I'm not surprised kids are mentally ill. I'm not surprised most people are mentally ill (yes, I believe that). R. D. Lang. The Politics of Experience. It's pretty well summed up there.

And add to that environmental poisoning and slow poisoning from our food. Major factor in body, mental health, mind/body health.

what dreams · August 2016

brianlux said:

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Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Hmmm...

Most of all?

1. Teaching is immeasurable. You can't quantify when good teaching has occurred... you can only tell when it has or hasn't happened.

2. The public needs to embrace its teaching force. It needs to be prepared to not only compensate teachers for their efforts, but also respect the same efforts. It needs to encourage people to enter the profession and succeed- both professionally and personally- within it.

3. Teachers unions need to be prepared to negotiate a model of accountability into contracts. Exactly how 'accountability' might be measured... I'm not entirely sure (although I do have ideas I won't go into at this moment).

The public would likely go along with item 2 if they knew there were legitimate steps employers could take to support and/or relieve poor performers.

Again, no union in my state . . . And we have accountability measures in place to support and relieve poor performers.

Thirty Bills, I think you would agree that what makes this conversation so difficult is that the nation is all over the map regarding contracts, salaries, etc. Articles about national salary averages mask gross disparities between rural/urban and suburban districts. The averages are skewed because teachers are getting younger and they get paid less. There are union states with labor protections and then there is the rest of us. Some localities fund through property taxes, others through a school tax. Each state funds its schools at a different percentage of its revenues, which affects how much a locality has available for salaries. It's a mess. It's why I can't stand getting into conversations with people about it, because the public has no idea what the problem is. They think it's about summer vacation. It's just not.

Thank you for finally sharing with me (us?) that you are a teacher. It helps to know who we are talking to. I didn't know. Sorry.

brianlux · August 2016

^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.

pjhawks · August 2016

brianlux said:
^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.

are you trying to deny that schools are closed in the summers?

what dreams · August 2016

brianlux said:
^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.

To cut costs, my school district eliminated summer pay three years ago, leaving it to us to manage our own savings from our salary divided by 10 instead of 12. Our last paycheck is June 30 and then we don't see another one until September 30. I have $175 dollars left to get me through the end of September. I blame it on Pearl Jam.

Bentleyspop · August 2016

pjhawks said:

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^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.
are you trying to deny that schools are closed in the summers?

Not sure about where you live but here in Colorado a lot of schools are open for summer programs, summer school, administration issues, etc.

Every teacher I know works during the summer.....
Summer school
Summer camps
Private tutoring
Etc

pjhawks · August 2016

Bentleyspop said:

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pjhawks said:

brianlux said:
^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.
are you trying to deny that schools are closed in the summers?
Not sure about where you live but here in Colorado a lot of schools are open for summer programs, summer school, administration issues, etc.

Every teacher I know works during the summer.....
Summer school
Summer camps
Private tutoring
Etc

they don't have to work those and get paid extra for those things. it is not part of their regular pay, at least in my area and for every teacher i know that is the case.

what dreams · August 2016

It seems many are stuck on my saying leave at 2:40. They missed the words "on most days" in patentheses.

This summer, I worked five paid days at school at a significantly reduced hourly wage (not my per diem) helping administrators plan our teacher leadership training. I'm in charge of the training on grading, after spending last year as the school rep on the division's policy revision committee, which I only did because 1) my principal appointed me because she said I would bring a common sense perspective, and 2) they paid me extra -- but not much -- to sit through those deadly meetings listening to teachers argue about all the wrong things. Common sense (mostly) prevailed.

I worked four July days planning my department-wide calendar for the year and one August afternoon meeting with another department chair about various school programs.

I had my 8th grade teachers over for dinner at the beginning of August. We had a four hour meeting to plan our first unit. I have three young teachers in the 8th grade, all three at three years of experience. (Imagine the year they were all brand new.) They are putting in many more hours than I will because they just don't know their stuff yet. Give it a few more. One is already talking about quitting (and then we'll waste money training another one instead of changing things to retain this one). Another wants to have a baby and when her baby is born, those students will be stranded with an unqualified sub for a while, if she even comes back. Many don't, so we recruit and train again.

I will get a $500 stipend next June for being department chair. It will work out to about .000000075 an hour. Since it's technically not free labor, I don't mind, and I enjoy helping new teachers become really great ones.

It is absolutely essential that we solve our human resource problem in education, and I really, really, really wish the public would argue about the right things as well so that common sense prevails.

Free · August 2016

OffSheGoes35 said:
Ok...here is what I would like to know, and I understand if certain people/posters are through with this thread...

1. Free, I would like to know more about the 2 problems you mentioned earlier in the thread. I don't think you ever got a chance to elaborate on those 2 issues you spoke of

You mean Common Core, a program that every state and DC has implemented but 4.

"The Common Core is a set of high-quality academic standards in mathematics and English language arts/literacy (ELA). These learning goals outline what a student should know and be able to do at the end of each grade."

Common core is single handedly dismantling education in the states, after GWB instituted No Child Left Behind and then Obama kept it. Common core has teachers hands tied of real teaching kids, enforces teachers to teach to the test all year, and in my state, dictates teachers performance (which is unfair).

But I am the only one talking about this.

Thirty Bills Unpaid · August 2016

PJHawks...

Earlier, I went through the task of making the following comparison for you. Did you note anything? You should have noted days worked compared to pay. Do you remember when you kept insisting all other professions work a minimum of 50 days more and therefore get paid more?

Province of BC:

Nurse entry wage (excluding OT) $63,000
Teacher entry wage $44,000

Nurse max wage (excluding OT) $99,000
Teacher max wage $83,000

Nurse days of work 3-4 days per week... opportunities for OT... plus holidays (52 weeks X 3.5 days= 183 days)
Teachers days of work as per collective agreement 187 per year

* I'm thankful our nurses get what they do. They offer a wonderful service to us and I appreciate them and the stresses and challenges they face on a daily basis. I'm not offering this comparison for any other reason than to model for PJHawks a useful comparison for discussion's sake.

** Information taken from government PDF files.

what dreams · August 2016

pjhawks said:

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Bentleyspop said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:
^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.
are you trying to deny that schools are closed in the summers?
Not sure about where you live but here in Colorado a lot of schools are open for summer programs, summer school, administration issues, etc.

Every teacher I know works during the summer.....
Summer school
Summer camps
Private tutoring
Etc
they don't have to work those and get paid extra for those things. it is not part of their regular pay, at least in my area and for every teacher i know that is the case.

Pjhawks, I just have to get it out there on the table. Whenever I hear people stuck on the summer issue, it always seems to me to come from a place of bitter jealousy.

Same thing with the pension. I just got back from a visit to a cousin who retired in June from the NYC school system, riddled with stress-related health problems. She recounted several bitter conversations she had with near strangers about her pension. This is a woman who at retirement, was honored by the local NAACP chapter as Music Educator of the Year because of how she helped her poor community. Thousands if her students were invited regularly to sing the Star Spangled Banner at Yankee games. She got instruments into the hands of thousands of kids who would never touch one if it hadn't been for her. They were all bawling their eyes out when they sang at her retirement party. She served our nation for so many years, sacrificed her health along the way, and she will not be floating on a yacht with her retirement pension. She'll be holed up in a small house in western PA getting her health back that teaching took from her.

Here's the thing . .if anybody wants our salary, our benefits, our vacation plan, our pension . . . They are welcome to join the service. If people are not willing to join the service, then at least appreciate those who do. We make the sacrifice because we love kids and we love our country.

Notice I never once in this thread have complained about my salary. I've simply stated facts about my choices. I will continue to make choices. I will get by on my last 175 dollars until Sept 30. My complaint is with the seemingly bitter people who dismiss the difficult choice we make, based on narrow reporting about problems in the profession. It just doesn't help solve the problem by dismissing it.

Free · August 2016

what dreams said:

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pjhawks said:

Bentleyspop said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:
^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.
are you trying to deny that schools are closed in the summers?
Not sure about where you live but here in Colorado a lot of schools are open for summer programs, summer school, administration issues, etc.

Every teacher I know works during the summer.....
Summer school
Summer camps
Private tutoring
Etc
they don't have to work those and get paid extra for those things. it is not part of their regular pay, at least in my area and for every teacher i know that is the case.
Pjhawks, I just have to get it out there on the table. Whenever I hear people stuck on the summer issue, it always seems to me to come from a place of bitter jealousy.

Same thing with the pension. I just got back from a visit to a cousin who retired in June from the NYC school system, riddled with stress-related health problems. She recounted several bitter conversations she had with near strangers about her pension. This is a woman who at retirement, was honored by the local NAACP chapter as Music Educator of the Year because of how she helped her poor community. Thousands if her students were invited regularly to sing the Star Spangled Banner at Yankee games. She got instruments into the hands of thousands of kids who would never touch one if it hadn't been for her. They were all bawling their eyes out when they sang at her retirement party. She served our nation for so many years, sacrificed her health along the way, and she will not be floating on a yacht with her retirement pension. She'll be holed up in a small house in western PA getting her health back that teaching took from her.

Here's the thing . .if anybody wants our salary, our benefits, our vacation plan, our pension . . . They are welcome to join the service. If people are not willing to join the service, then at least appreciate those who do. We make the sacrifice because we love kids and we love our country.

Notice I never once in this thread have complained about my salary. I've simply stated facts about my choices. I will continue to make choices. I will get by on my last 175 dollars until Sept 30. My complaint is with the seemingly bitter people who dismiss the difficult choice we make, based on narrow reporting about problems in the profession. It just doesn't help solve the problem by dismissing it.

Are you kidding, rather than admit Summer's off are a perk, you're going to twist it to make Hawks look jealous... for stating the obvious!!!

Teachers here, for every extracurricular after school coaching or enrichment or anything, they get paid extra. They go on a field trip that takes longer than the school day? Extra pay.

Your friend retiring from NYC? W/ a pension? Big bucks right there. Sorry about the health issues but those are facts. Who gets pensions any more? She is very lucky. That's teachers unions. And you did say you made close to 100k, while specifying your contract allows you to leave at 2:40 most days.

Bentleyspop · August 2016

what dreams said:

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pjhawks said:

Bentleyspop said:

pjhawks said:

brianlux said:
^^^ Yeah, I don't know where this summer vacation thing comes from though I'm sure some teachers, in some districts actually take the summer and go play tennis and loll on some Caribbean Island. Good for them, I guess. But what do I know? The idea of summer vacation is but a faded memory of long ago.
are you trying to deny that schools are closed in the summers?
Not sure about where you live but here in Colorado a lot of schools are open for summer programs, summer school, administration issues, etc.

Every teacher I know works during the summer.....
Summer school
Summer camps
Private tutoring
Etc
they don't have to work those and get paid extra for those things. it is not part of their regular pay, at least in my area and for every teacher i know that is the case.
Pjhawks, I just have to get it out there on the table. Whenever I hear people stuck on the summer issue, it always seems to me to come from a place of bitter jealousy.

Same thing with the pension. I just got back from a visit to a cousin who retired in June from the NYC school system, riddled with stress-related health problems. She recounted several bitter conversations she had with near strangers about her pension. This is a woman who at retirement, was honored by the local NAACP chapter as Music Educator of the Year because of how she helped her poor community. Thousands if her students were invited regularly to sing the Star Spangled Banner at Yankee games. She got instruments into the hands of thousands of kids who would never touch one if it hadn't been for her. They were all bawling their eyes out when they sang at her retirement party. She served our nation for so many years, sacrificed her health along the way, and she will not be floating on a yacht with her retirement pension. She'll be holed up in a small house in western PA getting her health back that teaching took from her.

Here's the thing . .if anybody wants our salary, our benefits, our vacation plan, our pension . . . They are welcome to join the service. If people are not willing to join the service, then at least appreciate those who do. We make the sacrifice because we love kids and we love our country.

Notice I never once in this thread have complained about my salary. I've simply stated facts about my choices. I will continue to make choices. I will get by on my last 175 dollars until Sept 30. My complaint is with the seemingly bitter people who dismiss the difficult choice we make, based on narrow reporting about problems in the profession. It just doesn't help solve the problem by dismissing it.

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