Something about teacher's pay...
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"It takes a village to raise a child". So, no, it's not just what goes on in the classroom. Per yesteryear, it takes respect on behalf of the parents and the teacher, and others in our community that raises successful children. By pointing fingers, it's no wonder there are such stigmas between educators and parents. The good relationships get lost among those that cause conflict.0
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Leave the raising to the parents and family. Teachers are there to educate.Free said:"It takes a village to raise a child". So, no, it's not just what goes on in the classroom. Per yesteryear, it takes respect on behalf of the parents and the teacher, and others in our community that raises successful children. By pointing fingers, it's no wonder there are such stigmas between educators and parents. The good relationships get lost among those that cause conflict.
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Little do you know. Go ahead judge me, all you do is put down without any other mention of anything. Brings real value to the discussion. NOT.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).0 -
You don't get it. Must not have kids.eddiec said:
Leave the raising to the parents and family. Teachers are there to educate.Free said:"It takes a village to raise a child". So, no, it's not just what goes on in the classroom. Per yesteryear, it takes respect on behalf of the parents and the teacher, and others in our community that raises successful children. By pointing fingers, it's no wonder there are such stigmas between educators and parents. The good relationships get lost among those that cause conflict.
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Both my parents are teachers and my brother and his wife are teachers. Actually my brother became a Librarian because he just couldn't take the crap that went with being in the classroom- mainly from parents and administrators.Free said:
You don't get it. Must not have kids.eddiec said:
Leave the raising to the parents and family. Teachers are there to educate.Free said:"It takes a village to raise a child". So, no, it's not just what goes on in the classroom. Per yesteryear, it takes respect on behalf of the parents and the teacher, and others in our community that raises successful children. By pointing fingers, it's no wonder there are such stigmas between educators and parents. The good relationships get lost among those that cause conflict.
Edit: My parents were teachers. They both retired.
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Oh, so you didn't read that 2 of my siblings and a BIL are teachers. My aunt is an art teacher. And I work right beside the teachers.0
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I can only go with what I read. You've presented yourself as an unqualified, but outspoken critic who has not acknowledged any item that hasn't fit within your perception of the job. You're hardly objective.Free said:
Little do you know. Go ahead judge me, all you do is put down without any other mention of anything. Brings real value to the discussion. NOT.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
I made a significant effort that spoke to the issue which you never commented on. There was much there for you to sink your teeth into, however you ignored it or never read it... so don't accuse me of not bringing value to the discussion. The only thing you can successfully accuse me of is not agreeing with your negative perception of the profession."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
if a country where the middle class is shrinking at alarming rates pretty much all professionals are underpaid compared to the top 1%. this isn't unique to teachers. teachers sure like to point out an awful lot how they are underpaid though.brianlux said:It seems that conditions/pay for teachers varies across the country and obviously for other professions as well. What the article posted at the beginning of this shows is that overall, teaching wages have fallen and in areas where this is already a problem, the situation is only getting worse. If some of you live in an area where teachers are well paid and have a lot of time off, I strongly suspect you are in the minority and you are perhaps rather fortunate. My experience is that as professionals, they are mostly underpaid for the time they put in. I don't take that lightly as well educated kids are the key to a better future for all. Education in America is not fairing well.
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Personal attacks (completely false at that) add zero to the discussion. But nice try.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I can only go with what I read. You've presented yourself as an unqualified, but outspoken critic who has not acknowledged any item that hasn't fit within your perception of the job. You're hardly objective.Free said:
Little do you know. Go ahead judge me, all you do is put down without any other mention of anything. Brings real value to the discussion. NOT.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
I made a significant effort that spoke to the issue which you never commented on. There was much there for you to sink your teeth into, however you ignored it or never read it... so don't accuse me of not bringing value to the discussion. The only thing you can successfully accuse me of is not agreeing with your negative perception of the profession.Post edited by Free on0 -
the original post was about teacher salaries vs. other office professionals and how teachers get 77% of the pay of other professionals. numbers have been presented (some by a teacher no less) that prove that the salaries are in line with other professionals based on number of days worked. the ones who don't understand the numbers of days worked vs.percentages of pay sure seem like the uninformed ones to me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).0 -
Winnipeg guy here.
teacher friend of mine at the cottage complained on Sunday about "having to go back to work in 2 weeks for a meeting". I said "um, I have to go to work TOMORROW". She sheepishly said "right, guess I shouldn't complain". I hear her bitch and complain about how much time she puts in after hours and whatnot (she's the minority out of teachers I know in that respect). But, she gets 12 weeks off per year. A very good salary (just south of 100K). Encouraged to take as many sick days as possible so the union doesn't lose them in their next contract negotiation and so part time/on-call teachers get a piece of the pie.
HOWEVER, she is stuck between a rock and a hard place with regards to entitled parents, shitty kids (see entitled parents), and an administration that caters to those parents, all the while knowing she's pushing kids through the system who aren't necessarily prepared to move on. the best she can do is the best she can do. the system is broken. all she can hope for is a good class that isn't overstuffed.
I get the feeling most teachers are stressed the fuck out, and the summer off is a small bonus. But once September hits.......By The Time They Figure Out What Went Wrong, We'll Be Sitting On A Beach, Earning Twenty Percent.0 -
Point blank... here is some of what I've offered:Free said:
Personal attacks (completely false at that) add zero to the discussion. But nice try.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I can only go with what I read. You've presented yourself as an unqualified, but outspoken critic who has not acknowledged any item that hasn't fit within your perception of the job. You're hardly objective.Free said:
Little do you know. Go ahead judge me, all you do is put down without any other mention of anything. Brings real value to the discussion. NOT.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
I made a significant effort that spoke to the issue which you never commented on. There was much there for you to sink your teeth into, however you ignored it or never read it... so don't accuse me of not bringing value to the discussion. The only thing you can successfully accuse me of is not agreeing with your negative perception of the profession.
- Teaching force 80% comprised of women
- men choosing trades and various other occupations
- profession not appealing to many of the people we need in it (and the reasons for this)
- job is hard to quantify (even 50% of the people who have graduated from university and entered the profession quit after 5 years once discovering the challenges that cannot be understood until doing it)
Off the top of my head... here's what I've gotten from you:
- teachers are generously paid
- teachers don't work as hard as they like to suggest
- you really know what you're talking about because your aunt (or some other relative) is a teacher
Does this about sum it up?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Not at all. Read from the beginning why don't you?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Point blank... here is some of what I've offered:Free said:
Personal attacks (completely false at that) add zero to the discussion. But nice try.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I can only go with what I read. You've presented yourself as an unqualified, but outspoken critic who has not acknowledged any item that hasn't fit within your perception of the job. You're hardly objective.Free said:
Little do you know. Go ahead judge me, all you do is put down without any other mention of anything. Brings real value to the discussion. NOT.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
I made a significant effort that spoke to the issue which you never commented on. There was much there for you to sink your teeth into, however you ignored it or never read it... so don't accuse me of not bringing value to the discussion. The only thing you can successfully accuse me of is not agreeing with your negative perception of the profession.
- Teaching force 80% comprised of women
- men choosing trades and various other occupations
- profession not appealing to many of the people we need in it (and the reasons for this)
- job is hard to quantify (even 50% of the people who have graduated from university and entered the profession quit after 5 years once discovering the challenges that cannot be understood until doing it)
Off the top of my head... here's what I've gotten from you:
- teachers are generously paid
- teachers don't work as hard as they like to suggest
- you really know what you're talking about because your aunt (or some other relative) is a teacher
Does this about sum it up?0 -
If you believe the day is 8-3 without any time outside of that placed on weekends or evenings... you would have a very legitimate point.pjhawks said:
the original post was about teacher salaries vs. other office professionals and how teachers get 77% of the pay of other professionals. numbers have been presented (some by a teacher no less) that prove that the salaries are in line with other professionals based on number of days worked. the ones who don't understand the numbers of days worked vs.percentages of pay sure seem like the uninformed ones to me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
To be fair, there are some teachers that restrict their work day to that timeline, but I can tell you that is not the norm. There could be nothing worse than being unprepared for a class and having students off task and disrespectful versus engaged and appreciative."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I have. You've been destroyed in this conversation by many. You just haven't figured that out yet- and I'm not surprised.Free said:
Not at all. Read from the beginning why don't you?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Point blank... here is some of what I've offered:Free said:
Personal attacks (completely false at that) add zero to the discussion. But nice try.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I can only go with what I read. You've presented yourself as an unqualified, but outspoken critic who has not acknowledged any item that hasn't fit within your perception of the job. You're hardly objective.Free said:
Little do you know. Go ahead judge me, all you do is put down without any other mention of anything. Brings real value to the discussion. NOT.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
I made a significant effort that spoke to the issue which you never commented on. There was much there for you to sink your teeth into, however you ignored it or never read it... so don't accuse me of not bringing value to the discussion. The only thing you can successfully accuse me of is not agreeing with your negative perception of the profession.
- Teaching force 80% comprised of women
- men choosing trades and various other occupations
- profession not appealing to many of the people we need in it (and the reasons for this)
- job is hard to quantify (even 50% of the people who have graduated from university and entered the profession quit after 5 years once discovering the challenges that cannot be understood until doing it)
Off the top of my head... here's what I've gotten from you:
- teachers are generously paid
- teachers don't work as hard as they like to suggest
- you really know what you're talking about because your aunt (or some other relative) is a teacher
Does this about sum it up?"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
See, your need to attack reduces any credibility. I have said plenty but you want to focus on how you can just attack. Which destroys discussion and debate.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I have. You've been destroyed in this conversation by many. You just haven't figured that out yet- and I'm not surprised.Free said:
Not at all. Read from the beginning why don't you?Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Point blank... here is some of what I've offered:Free said:
Personal attacks (completely false at that) add zero to the discussion. But nice try.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I can only go with what I read. You've presented yourself as an unqualified, but outspoken critic who has not acknowledged any item that hasn't fit within your perception of the job. You're hardly objective.Free said:
Little do you know. Go ahead judge me, all you do is put down without any other mention of anything. Brings real value to the discussion. NOT.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
I made a significant effort that spoke to the issue which you never commented on. There was much there for you to sink your teeth into, however you ignored it or never read it... so don't accuse me of not bringing value to the discussion. The only thing you can successfully accuse me of is not agreeing with your negative perception of the profession.
- Teaching force 80% comprised of women
- men choosing trades and various other occupations
- profession not appealing to many of the people we need in it (and the reasons for this)
- job is hard to quantify (even 50% of the people who have graduated from university and entered the profession quit after 5 years once discovering the challenges that cannot be understood until doing it)
Off the top of my head... here's what I've gotten from you:
- teachers are generously paid
- teachers don't work as hard as they like to suggest
- you really know what you're talking about because your aunt (or some other relative) is a teacher
Does this about sum it up?Post edited by Free on0 -
HughFreakingDillon said:
Winnipeg guy here.
teacher friend of mine at the cottage complained on Sunday about "having to go back to work in 2 weeks for a meeting". I said "um, I have to go to work TOMORROW". She sheepishly said "right, guess I shouldn't complain". I hear her bitch and complain about how much time she puts in after hours and whatnot (she's the minority out of teachers I know in that respect). But, she gets 12 weeks off per year. A very good salary (just south of 100K). Encouraged to take as many sick days as possible so the union doesn't lose them in their next contract negotiation and so part time/on-call teachers get a piece of the pie.
HOWEVER, she is stuck between a rock and a hard place with regards to entitled parents, shitty kids (see entitled parents), and an administration that caters to those parents, all the while knowing she's pushing kids through the system who aren't necessarily prepared to move on. the best she can do is the best she can do. the system is broken. all she can hope for is a good class that isn't overstuffed.
I get the feeling most teachers are stressed the fuck out, and the summer off is a small bonus. But once September hits.......
So dealing with a few entitled parents and kids makes up for her high paying part-time job? We're all stressed out from our jobs, perhaps we all get 12 weeks vacation a year. And TENURE!HughFreakingDillon said:Winnipeg guy here.
teacher friend of mine at the cottage complained on Sunday about "having to go back to work in 2 weeks for a meeting". I said "um, I have to go to work TOMORROW". She sheepishly said "right, guess I shouldn't complain". I hear her bitch and complain about how much time she puts in after hours and whatnot (she's the minority out of teachers I know in that respect). But, she gets 12 weeks off per year. A very good salary (just south of 100K). Encouraged to take as many sick days as possible so the union doesn't lose them in their next contract negotiation and so part time/on-call teachers get a piece of the pie.
HOWEVER, she is stuck between a rock and a hard place with regards to entitled parents, shitty kids (see entitled parents), and an administration that caters to those parents, all the while knowing she's pushing kids through the system who aren't necessarily prepared to move on. the best she can do is the best she can do. the system is broken. all she can hope for is a good class that isn't overstuffed.
I get the feeling most teachers are stressed the fuck out, and the summer off is a small bonus. But once September hits.......
Why is it some teachers are spoiled rotten and others don't get fair pay? Maybe consider what state they teach in.Post edited by Free on0 -
i don't believe that their day is 8-3 but the fact is they are scheduled to work a minimum of 50 less days per year than regular professionals. that's 400 less hours per year based on an 8-hour work day. even with extra hours on lesson plans, grading, etc. they aren't making up that 400 hours. and that is based on other professionals working only 40 hours per week and i don't know a lot of professionals who only work 40 hours. Most of the ones i know are a lot closer to 50 hours per week than 40. the numbers are not out of line when factoring in pay vs. hours. it's just not. i know a lot of teachers. love some of them to death but that doesn't change the numbers. i don't think anyone here has questioned how hard teachers work (just how often) or that there job is stressful. they do and it is but again the numbers are what they are.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
If you believe the day is 8-3 without any time outside of that placed on weekends or evenings... you would have a very legitimate point.pjhawks said:
the original post was about teacher salaries vs. other office professionals and how teachers get 77% of the pay of other professionals. numbers have been presented (some by a teacher no less) that prove that the salaries are in line with other professionals based on number of days worked. the ones who don't understand the numbers of days worked vs.percentages of pay sure seem like the uninformed ones to me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I did.Free said:
Tell that to Whatdreams, who has in his contract he does not have to work after 2:30 every day, parent emails not a priority and students get papers back a month later.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
Bad teachers do have a negative impact on the profession, but so do armchair critics like you.Free said:I work with teachers, I know exactly what I'm talking about. And as a parent, the fingers are pointed from both directions. As long as parents won't work with teachers for the benefit of their child, and as long as teachers point fingers at parents dismissing progress on the student's behalf, the big loser here is the STUDENTS. Teacher unions protect teachers and only teachers. Bad parents have given them a horrible stereotype. Especially when education is politicized and common core ties all hands on the teacher's behalf.
Brian, the problem is how individual states, unions, the fed govt, have ALL forgotten how to really euchre a kid. Spoiled, well paid teachers give good teachers a bad rap.
You're a big part of the problem whether you care to admit it or not.
As much as you make it seem, What Dream's mentality is not the norm for teachers; however, your mentality is the norm for the uninformed public (you keep speaking as if you do have intimate knowledge of the job, but obviously you dont).
To be fair, there are some teachers that restrict their work day to that timeline, but I can tell you that is not the norm. There could be nothing worse than being unprepared for a class and having students off task and disrespectful versus engaged and appreciative.0
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