Pearl Jam Cancels 4/20 Raleigh, NC Concert in Opposition to HB2; Official Band Statement

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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    timeframe or not it's legislating what a woman can do with her body. it's bullshit. period.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    edited May 2016
    ComeToTX said:

    timeframe or not it's legislating what a woman can do with her body. it's bullshit. period.

    So you think that optional abortions should be legal right up until the woman goes into labour?? I'm pro-choice, but I think there is a reasonable line too. It's not usually the best option to be completely black and white about things.
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  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    That's between a woman and her doctor. Not the legislators of South Carolina.
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  • Ray J. T.
    Ray J. T. Posts: 4,130
    HughFreakingDillon said:

    what dreams said:

    My takeaway from the Betterman speech and other references in the Toronto show is that the band thinks the south is made up of closed-minded people, the north is made up of open-minded people, and there's nothing in between. Toronto is diverse, Miami isn't (hahaha), and they were so glad to be home in the north and gone from the south because only in the south do whacked out zealots live. It's all in the subtext. I agree that the cab driver in the story was whacked. But I'm very disappointed with the full implications of what Ed stated. Yes, it was two minute well-intentioned speech from an activist rock star, but it came off to me as a slap to all southerners. I infer that one reason they won't go back to NC or anywhere in the south anytime soon is their generalized notions of bigoted southern people. That really disappoints me and makes me wonder about their seeming lack of wisdom about people.

    This tour was weird. Great shows, but a weird under-tone.

    I agree completely with you about his tone about not liking the South. Not surprised at his opinion (he can come off as pretty judgmental and generalizing at times), but surprised he was so open about it.

    there you have it, folks; the reason why PJ rarely plays the south. and now they will most likely play it even less.
    I really hope that is not the case. One person, or incident does not speak for the rest of us that live in the south. Not that Miami has ever really been considered the south, but the truth of the matter is narrow minded people are everywhere on this planet, not just in the south. We travel quite frequently to catch the band (at least a couple times every year) but its really nice when they play in your backyard. last time they were in South Florida before this tour was 2008 that is an 8 year drought. Just hope I don't have to wait that long again to see them in my hometown. Especially down here in Miami where the culture is extremely diverse, and the minority of the population is that old southern mentality. We are primarily a Hispanic based community that loves Pearl jam.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    This is how you make a statement without screwing your fans...

    Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros took a stand against North Carolina's controversial HB2 at the band's concert Friday in Raleigh when they invited a married gay couple onstage to renew their vows in front of a sold-out North Carolina Museum of Art show.

    During the band's performance of "Home," frontman Alex Ebert welcomed the couple – PETA Senior VP Dan Mathews and his husband, production designer Jack Ryan – onstage for the ceremony. The couple renewed their vows in front of 2,500 fans as Ebert told them to "express your love freely, whenever and wherever."

    While artists like Bruce Springsteen, Pearl Jam, Ringo Starr, Nick Jonas and Demi Lovato, Maroon 5 and more have canceled gigs in North Carolina to protest the state's "bathroom bill," which impedes on the rights of the LGBT community, other acts like Animal Collective, Against Me!'s Laura Jane Grace and now Edward Sharpe and the Magnetic Zeros have used Tar Heel State performances to help combat the bill.

    "HB2 was passed by an immoral minority – North Carolina has many thriving, creative, modern communities," Ebert said in a statement. "We were tempted to cancel the show, but decided at the last minute to rally the crowd instead by renewing the vows of our good friends onstage."

    On Friday, the University of North Carolina announced that they would not enforce HB2 on campus. "I have no intent to exercise my authority to promulgate any guidelines or regulations that require transgender students to use the restrooms consistent with their biological sex," University system President Margaret Spellings wrote in an affidavit.

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  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,578
    Interesting that outside of Ringo, all the cancelled are stadium level acts, while everyone who played generally play the small to midsize theaters.

    I wonder if stadium level shows make a bigger financial impact in some way or if they are just throwing their weight of popularity around to generate or maintain awareness.
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    I would guess that smaller acts need the money a lot more than the bigger ones that can afford to not play a show.
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  • EM194007
    EM194007 Posts: 2,827
    Tim Simmons said:

    Interesting that outside of Ringo, all the cancelled are stadium level acts, while everyone who played generally play the small to midsize theaters.

    I wonder if stadium level shows make a bigger financial impact in some way or if they are just throwing their weight of popularity around to generate or maintain awareness.

    What about Jimmy Buffett? He sure isn't a little to midsize theater show act. He played to sold out amphitheater shows, one in Charlotte and one in Raleigh. There is a shit load of parrot heads out there that travel to see his shows.
  • Tim Simmons
    Tim Simmons Posts: 9,578
    I forgot about him.

    But he also seems like the guy who values money over pretty much anything.
  • JP Losman
    JP Losman Raleigh Posts: 149
    ComeToTX said:

    I would guess that smaller acts need the money a lot more than the bigger ones that can afford to not play a show.

    Yea that is part of it for sure.
  • JP Losman
    JP Losman Raleigh Posts: 149
    So Roy Cooper is behind in the polls here in NC to Pat McCrory.

    PJ could have made a real difference by turning that show into a Cooper rally. They made almost zero impact in terms of moving the needle for HB2 by cancelling but they sure as hell promoted themselves globally as people who care. What bs.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/governor/
  • wg
    wg Posts: 411
    YEAH! You tell 'em JP!
  • AmishGuy91
    AmishGuy91 Posts: 834
    JP Losman said:

    So Roy Cooper is behind in the polls here in NC to Pat McCrory.

    PJ could have made a real difference by turning that show into a Cooper rally. They made almost zero impact in terms of moving the needle for HB2 by cancelling but they sure as hell promoted themselves globally as people who care. What bs.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/governor/

    Bingo
  • ComeToTX
    ComeToTX Austin Posts: 8,063
    yup.
    This show, another show, a show here and a show there.
  • Alexana
    Alexana Posts: 66
    JP Losman said:

    So Roy Cooper is behind in the polls here in NC to Pat McCrory.

    PJ could have made a real difference by turning that show into a Cooper rally. They made almost zero impact in terms of moving the needle for HB2 by cancelling but they sure as hell promoted themselves globally as people who care. What bs.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/governor/

    While the band could have done more the greater issue at hand is how disorganized the Democratic party is in NC. I have lived in Charlotte since 1990 (only leaving to go to college) and there are truly 2 North Carolinas. Just like in NY where you have the city which is liberal and the rest of the state which is more conservative. In NC you have a liberal Charlotte (but not that liberal as they elected McCrory multiple times) and a conservative rest of the state. The NBC affiliate in Charlotte, WCNC has perhaps the most insane commenters on their Facebook stories. It is disgusting.

    I squarely blame the party for failing to raise awareness of the true implications of HB2, the crooked Duke Energy backdoor dealings of McCrory, and the financial implications of the actions this administration has had on the state. It is nice to say that a band could have had an impact but isn't it more honest to say that the band helped fan a flame and the people watching that flame failed to cultivate the fire they were provided?
  • jeffbr
    jeffbr Seattle Posts: 7,177
    edited July 2016
    Alexana said:

    It is nice to say that a band could have had an impact but isn't it more honest to say that the band helped fan a flame and the people watching that flame failed to cultivate the fire they were provided?

    Nope. This isn't something that Ed or Bruce could have fixed. I know they think they're masters of the universe, but this is a matter of law, and will be settled in the courts.
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  • 2-feign-reluctance
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    JP Losman said:

    So Roy Cooper is behind in the polls here in NC to Pat McCrory.

    PJ could have made a real difference by turning that show into a Cooper rally. They made almost zero impact in terms of moving the needle for HB2 by cancelling but they sure as hell promoted themselves globally as people who care. What bs.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/governor/

    What have you done to push the needle?
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,668
    Time to get over it JP.
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  • lolobugg
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    Alexana said:

    JP Losman said:

    So Roy Cooper is behind in the polls here in NC to Pat McCrory.

    PJ could have made a real difference by turning that show into a Cooper rally. They made almost zero impact in terms of moving the needle for HB2 by cancelling but they sure as hell promoted themselves globally as people who care. What bs.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/governor/

    While the band could have done more the greater issue at hand is how disorganized the Democratic party is in NC. I have lived in Charlotte since 1990 (only leaving to go to college) and there are truly 2 North Carolinas. Just like in NY where you have the city which is liberal and the rest of the state which is more conservative. In NC you have a liberal Charlotte (but not that liberal as they elected McCrory multiple times) and a conservative rest of the state. The NBC affiliate in Charlotte, WCNC has perhaps the most insane commenters on their Facebook stories. It is disgusting.

    I squarely blame the party for failing to raise awareness of the true implications of HB2, the crooked Duke Energy backdoor dealings of McCrory, and the financial implications of the actions this administration has had on the state. It is nice to say that a band could have had an impact but isn't it more honest to say that the band helped fan a flame and the people watching that flame failed to cultivate the fire they were provided?
    You consider Charlotte liberal? :lol:
    c'mon on up to Asheville and I will show you liberal .

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  • JP Losman
    JP Losman Raleigh Posts: 149
    2-feign-reluctance said:

    JP Losman said:

    So Roy Cooper is behind in the polls here in NC to Pat McCrory.

    PJ could have made a real difference by turning that show into a Cooper rally. They made almost zero impact in terms of moving the needle for HB2 by cancelling but they sure as hell promoted themselves globally as people who care. What bs.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/governor/

    What have you done to push the needle?
    Are you joking? Specifically, I've been and still am an organizer and helped a state senator get elected who is against HB2 . I've been working and volunteering to promote social justice overall here and many of the non profits in the triangle have been working towards repeal HB2 in whatever way they can but ultimately this is going to be decided in the courts.

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