America's Gun Violence

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  • No. What the government should be doing is facilitating an entire framework of a healthy society that promotes safety for its citizens. If all they are doing is arresting criminals after they have committed a crime, the government has failed in its duty.

    Many, many countries understand this.
    Well stated, but will not be understood by the Cliven Bundy types.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,137

    No. What the government should be doing is facilitating an entire framework of a healthy society that promotes safety for its citizens. If all they are doing is arresting criminals after they have committed a crime, the government has failed in its duty.

    Many, many countries understand this.
    What our government should be doing and what they have been doing for the past several decades are vastly different things.

    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,137
    edited June 2016

    Well stated, but will not be understood by the Cliven Bundy types.
    Are there any "Cliven Bundy types" on AMT?
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    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • dudeman said:

    Are there any "Cliven Bundy types" on AMT?
    Can't be certain, but It's seems so.
    "My brain's a good brain!"
  • dudemandudeman Posts: 3,137
    Hmmm. Never got that impression on here.
    If hope can grow from dirt like me, it can be done. - EV
  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,195
    Man Fatally Shot in Accident During Class at Ohio Gun Shop

    http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/man-fatally-shot-accident-class-ohio-gun-shop-39962177
  • oftenreadingoftenreading Victoria, BC Posts: 12,855
    dudeman said:

    What our government should be doing and what they have been doing for the past several decades are vastly different things.

    You'll get no disagreement from me on that.
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  • callencallen Posts: 6,388
    This should speak volumes, gun safety course and shot to death. Guns don't make you safer and sure as hell makes life more dangerous for others. God and guns. Woo hoo.
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  • BentleyspopBentleyspop Craft Beer Brewery, Colorado Posts: 11,195
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612
    http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/6/21/1540914/--ISIS-has-decided-that-the-assault-weapon-is-the-new-airplane?detail=facebook

    Yeah when they used a plane we came up with all kinds of restrictions....with guns...not so much
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,046
    remember when the government made laws to register your car and take a test and then stole your car away from you?

    yeah, me neither.
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612

    remember when the government made laws to register your car and take a test and then stole your car away from you?

    yeah, me neither.

    exactly...and what gets me the most is that this would effect very few people. The overwhelming majority of citizens either do not own a weapon or only own handguns or hunting weapons.

    Or we could just deport all the muslims...that would solve it
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016

    exactly...and what gets me the most is that this would effect very few people. The overwhelming majority of citizens either do not own a weapon or only own handguns or hunting weapons.

    Or we could just deport all the muslims...that would solve it
    Could do a bacon test, lol. ISIS followers do not eat or have contact with pork, so maybe we should just require everyone purchasing a firearm to eat a slab of bacon, haha. That would effect non-violent Muslims and Jews as well, but would most definitely stop ISIS supporters from purchasing, right? (Sarcasm)
    I do not know if I agree with the statement that it would not effect the vast majority either, seeing as how over 30,000 were sold in the past week by one distributer alone, many many people own them. AR-15s are the most sold rifle to date. Billions of them out there, BILLIONS!
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,046
    PJPOWER said:

    Could do a bacon test, lol. ISIS followers do not eat or have contact with pork, so maybe we should just require everyone purchasing a firearm to eat a slab of bacon, haha. That would effect non-violent Muslims and Jews as well, but would most definitely stop ISIS supporters from purchasing, right? (Sarcasm)
    I do not know if I agree with the statement that it would not effect the vast majority either, seeing as how over 30,000 were sold in the past week by one distributer alone, many many people own them. They are the most sold rifle to date. Billions of them out there, BILLIONS!
    and that's kind of scary.
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504
    it's better to have a gun and not need it rather than need a gun and not have it, I just read more people die from obesity than shootings..true or not I don't know but it's something to think about next time you buy a cheese burger and fries LOL !!

    Godfather.
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016

    and that's kind of scary.
    It most definitely is, which is why I keep arguing that they are not going to go away. Seems more productive to me to focus on puting more effort into defense, training, and preparedness than hoping they somehow disappear. Similar to what we do for tornados/fires/etc. It just seems like a waste of time and effort when people can be doing things to thwart or at least survive these attacks on an individual level instead of waiting on the politicians to agree on something. I have posted several suggestions if you would like to look back at some previous posts.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,046

    it's better to have a gun and not need it rather than need a gun and not have it, I just read more people die from obesity than shootings..true or not I don't know but it's something to think about next time you buy a cheese burger and fries LOL !!

    Godfather.

    it won't be long before we hear of a Trigger Happy Meal.

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  • Godfather.Godfather. Posts: 12,504

    it won't be long before we hear of a Trigger Happy Meal.

    "would you like a glock with that?"
    HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH now that's funny, I don't care who ya are !

    Godfather.

  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    I'm confused, didn't the dems vote down two of the four bills??? You would think that they would be somewhat willing to compromise, but because of a couple of the bills considered due process, they voted them down. It almost seems that they were specifically voting against due process. Oh, but let's all act like childish idiots and do a rediculous "sit in" to make ourselves look better. Hypocrites at their finest.
  • pjhawkspjhawks Posts: 12,820
    PJPOWER said:

    I'm confused, didn't the dems vote down two of the four bills??? You would think that they would be somewhat willing to compromise, but because of a couple of the bills considered due process, they voted them down. It almost seems that they were specifically voting against due process. Oh, but let's all act like childish idiots and do a rediculous "sit in" to make ourselves look better. Hypocrites at their finest.

    yes you are confused. the Dems want to vote on it and the Republicans refuse to allow a vote. that is the Democratic process that our country is supposed to be founded on. the republicans are holding that process hostage by not allowing a vote. same as the Supreme Court nominee.
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612
    PJPOWER said:

    I'm confused, didn't the dems vote down two of the four bills??? You would think that they would be somewhat willing to compromise, but because of a couple of the bills considered due process, they voted them down. It almost seems that they were specifically voting against due process. Oh, but let's all act like childish idiots and do a rediculous "sit in" to make ourselves look better. Hypocrites at their finest.

    Step away from Faux News sir...learn the ways of reality
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016

    Step away from Faux News sir...learn the ways of reality
    I do not even have cable for your info...but the rude/un-intellectual response. Did the dems not vote against two of the proposed bills?
    Seems to me that there is a "my way or the highway" mentality...
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/senate-gun-votes-224560
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  • rgambsrgambs Posts: 13,576
    PJPOWER said:

    I do not even have cable for your info...but the same could be said for CNN. Did the dems not vote against two of the proposed bills?
    Seems to me that there is a "my way or the highway" mentality...
    http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/senate-gun-votes-224560
    Bills that stop future progress, and are essentially a step backward in gun control and a giveaway for the NRA.
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  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    edited June 2016
    rgambs said:

    Bills that stop future progress, and are essentially a step backward in gun control and a giveaway for the NRA.
    Once again, that same argument could come from the other side. The dems want their bills or none at all. The repubs are not any better, I'm not defending them. I just think it's funny how idiots here jump to the defense of dems when they are just asshole politicians as well.
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 21,612
    PJPOWER said:

    Once again, that same argument could come from the other side. The dems want their bills or none at all. The repubs are not any better, I'm not defending them. I just think it's funny how idiots here jump to the defense of dems when they are just asshole politicians as well.
    An asshole politician that is trying to pass gun laws that protect citizens (even the citizens that oppose it) is less of an asshole than the politician that is so beholden to the NRA they won't even allow a vote.
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • PJPOWERPJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    Assholes are assholes. As I said earlier, you can sit on your hands and wait for politicians to agree or you can start doing things on an individual level. Our community has all kinds of free meetings to educate people on gun laws, self defense, situational awareness, life saving techniques, active shooter awareness, etc.
    Countless examples of lives being saved by people that know some of these basic things. Maybe we should give tax or insurance breaks for people that attend these classes, much like they do for defensive driving classes...? People are always looking for "steps in the right direction", but are unwilling to take any steps of their own.
  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,046
    PJPOWER said:

    Assholes are assholes. As I said earlier, you can sit on your hands and wait for politicians to agree or you can start doing things on an individual level. Our community has all kinds of free meetings to educate people on gun laws, self defense, situational awareness, life saving techniques, active shooter awareness, etc.
    Countless examples of lives being saved by people that know some of these basic things. Maybe we should give tax or insurance breaks for people that attend these classes, much like they do for defensive driving classes...? People are always looking for "steps in the right direction", but are unwilling to take any steps of their own.

    tax breaks for attending safety classes is a fabulous idea.
    "every society honours its live conformists and its dead troublemakers"




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