America's Gun Violence

josevolution · May 2016

Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!

PJ_Soul · May 2016

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:
there are more deaths from legal and illegal drugs every year, a gun kills with a loud bang and drugs kill for the most part silently, something to think about while people are protesting guns while they're high on who knows what.

Godfather.
Nobody fears walking into a movie theater and having some guy start tossing cocaine into the air.

That's funny, but is a very good point.
I know that I wouldn't really have any issue with guns if people only used them to kill themselves by choice.
the number of suicides by gun I believe actually does out-number violent gun deaths, I was just reading some stuff on the interweb that had some pretty interesting facts.

Godfather.

I'm sure it does. It's not a statistic that I care about (in this specific context I mean). If someone wants to kill themselves, there are all kinds of ways for them to do it. If they didn't have a gun they'd most likely do something else. Or not. The main point is, as sad as suicide is, and as much as support is needed for the mentally ill, my issues ALL have to do with how guns are used by someone against others, so gun suicides just aren't something I feel the need to consider with this issue.

mcgruff10 · May 2016

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!

Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).

mace1229 · May 2016

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:
there are more deaths from legal and illegal drugs every year, a gun kills with a loud bang and drugs kill for the most part silently, something to think about while people are protesting guns while they're high on who knows what.

Godfather.
Nobody fears walking into a movie theater and having some guy start tossing cocaine into the air.

That's funny, but is a very good point.
I know that I wouldn't really have any issue with guns if people only used them to kill themselves by choice.
the number of suicides by gun I believe actually does out-number violent gun deaths, I was just reading some stuff on the interweb that had some pretty interesting facts.

Godfather.

I'm sure it does. It's not a statistic that I care about (in this specific context I mean). If someone wants to kill themselves, there are all kinds of ways for them to do it. If they didn't have a gun they'd most likely do something else. Or not. The main point is, as sad as suicide is, and as much as support is needed for the mentally ill, my issues ALL have to do with how guns are used by someone against others, so gun suicides just aren't something I feel the need to consider with this issue.

I agree to some extent. I think it's important to note that number though. I believe more than half of gun deaths are suicide. And if you exclude gang on gang violence, or perps killed during a violent crime (because honestly, if I break into a house to rob someone and get shot, that should be a point for the gun owners, not a point against them) the number of gun deaths is a fraction of what anti-gun lobbyist quote.

josevolution · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).

You don't have to worry Trump will make sure there are no more gun free zones the gun parties will be abundant , guns in your kids schools at concerts , churches , theaters , supermarkets oh and yeah you'll be able to carry onto planes lol the West will be thriving again ....

mcgruff10 · May 2016

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
You don't have to worry Trump will make sure there are no more gun free zones the gun parties will be abundant , guns in your kids schools at concerts , churches , theaters , supermarkets oh and yeah you'll be able to carry onto planes lol the West will be thriving again ....

I honestly don't think Trump can beat Hillary so no worries.

PJ_Soul · May 2016

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:
there are more deaths from legal and illegal drugs every year, a gun kills with a loud bang and drugs kill for the most part silently, something to think about while people are protesting guns while they're high on who knows what.

Godfather.
Nobody fears walking into a movie theater and having some guy start tossing cocaine into the air.

That's funny, but is a very good point.
I know that I wouldn't really have any issue with guns if people only used them to kill themselves by choice.
the number of suicides by gun I believe actually does out-number violent gun deaths, I was just reading some stuff on the interweb that had some pretty interesting facts.

Godfather.

I'm sure it does. It's not a statistic that I care about (in this specific context I mean). If someone wants to kill themselves, there are all kinds of ways for them to do it. If they didn't have a gun they'd most likely do something else. Or not. The main point is, as sad as suicide is, and as much as support is needed for the mentally ill, my issues ALL have to do with how guns are used by someone against others, so gun suicides just aren't something I feel the need to consider with this issue.
I agree to some extent. I think it's important to note that number though. I believe more than half of gun deaths are suicide. And if you exclude gang on gang violence, or perps killed during a violent crime (because honestly, if I break into a house to rob someone and get shot, that should be a point for the gun owners, not a point against them) the number of gun deaths is a fraction of what anti-gun lobbyist quote.

The anti-gun lobbyists are pretty transparent with their stats. Gun suicides are not rolled into gun murder stats. The suicide rate does not impact those numbers.

mace1229 · May 2016

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:
there are more deaths from legal and illegal drugs every year, a gun kills with a loud bang and drugs kill for the most part silently, something to think about while people are protesting guns while they're high on who knows what.

Godfather.
Nobody fears walking into a movie theater and having some guy start tossing cocaine into the air.

That's funny, but is a very good point.
I know that I wouldn't really have any issue with guns if people only used them to kill themselves by choice.
the number of suicides by gun I believe actually does out-number violent gun deaths, I was just reading some stuff on the interweb that had some pretty interesting facts.

Godfather.

I'm sure it does. It's not a statistic that I care about (in this specific context I mean). If someone wants to kill themselves, there are all kinds of ways for them to do it. If they didn't have a gun they'd most likely do something else. Or not. The main point is, as sad as suicide is, and as much as support is needed for the mentally ill, my issues ALL have to do with how guns are used by someone against others, so gun suicides just aren't something I feel the need to consider with this issue.
I agree to some extent. I think it's important to note that number though. I believe more than half of gun deaths are suicide. And if you exclude gang on gang violence, or perps killed during a violent crime (because honestly, if I break into a house to rob someone and get shot, that should be a point for the gun owners, not a point against them) the number of gun deaths is a fraction of what anti-gun lobbyist quote.
The anti-gun lobbyists are pretty transparent with their stats. Gun suicides are not rolled into gun murder stats. The suicide rate does not impact those numbers.

I'm sure many are. But I've also seen statements that put gun deaths in the 30,000-40,000 range. When gun homicides are in the ballpark of around 6-7 thousand I believe. Which includes gang on gang violence. That number is actually small compared to many forms of death that are rarely discussed.

mcgruff10 · May 2016

PJ_Soul said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Godfather. said:

PJ_Soul said:

eddiec said:

Godfather. said:
there are more deaths from legal and illegal drugs every year, a gun kills with a loud bang and drugs kill for the most part silently, something to think about while people are protesting guns while they're high on who knows what.

Godfather.
Nobody fears walking into a movie theater and having some guy start tossing cocaine into the air.

That's funny, but is a very good point.
I know that I wouldn't really have any issue with guns if people only used them to kill themselves by choice.
the number of suicides by gun I believe actually does out-number violent gun deaths, I was just reading some stuff on the interweb that had some pretty interesting facts.

Godfather.

I'm sure it does. It's not a statistic that I care about (in this specific context I mean). If someone wants to kill themselves, there are all kinds of ways for them to do it. If they didn't have a gun they'd most likely do something else. Or not. The main point is, as sad as suicide is, and as much as support is needed for the mentally ill, my issues ALL have to do with how guns are used by someone against others, so gun suicides just aren't something I feel the need to consider with this issue.
I agree to some extent. I think it's important to note that number though. I believe more than half of gun deaths are suicide. And if you exclude gang on gang violence, or perps killed during a violent crime (because honestly, if I break into a house to rob someone and get shot, that should be a point for the gun owners, not a point against them) the number of gun deaths is a fraction of what anti-gun lobbyist quote.
The anti-gun lobbyists are pretty transparent with their stats. Gun suicides are not rolled into gun murder stats. The suicide rate does not impact those numbers.

First of all, look at the number of gun deaths on that chart from 2011. It’s 32,351. That’s a lot of gun deaths to be sure. So that’s the total number of murders by gun owners, right? The answer is not only Hell No, but it’s not even remotely close. It’s true that this figure is close to the total number of human lives ended in incidents involving a gun, but that’s all incidents. So how did those deaths happen?

Straight from the CDC where most of the media is drawing their numbers (while not as good of a source as the FBI or the Justice Department) we can find out that of those 32,352 gun deaths, 21,175 of them were suicides. That leaves us with 11,177 deaths to account for. But as it turns out, the FBI records that 8,583 deaths were murders of various sorts involving guns of all types. The remaining roughly 2,500 were accounted for by accidents and unintentional injuries. These include hunting accidents, toddlers getting hold of unsecured weapons and shooting somebody or just plain idiots who proved Darwin right.

Gern Blansten · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).

yeah it would still be there and you would still have your toys

background checks would be stronger and gun show purchases would be restricted...how awful

mcgruff10 · May 2016

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
yeah it would still be there and you would still have your toys

background checks would be stronger and gun show purchases would be restricted...how awful

I live in new jersey, the land of multiple back ground checks and a place were gun shows are illegal.

josevolution · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
You don't have to worry Trump will make sure there are no more gun free zones the gun parties will be abundant , guns in your kids schools at concerts , churches , theaters , supermarkets oh and yeah you'll be able to carry onto planes lol the West will be thriving again ....
I honestly don't think Trump can beat Hillary so no worries.

I think he will beat her resoundingly I'm not voting for him or her but can see this train wreck getting the nod ...

mcgruff10 · May 2016

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
You don't have to worry Trump will make sure there are no more gun free zones the gun parties will be abundant , guns in your kids schools at concerts , churches , theaters , supermarkets oh and yeah you'll be able to carry onto planes lol the West will be thriving again ....
I honestly don't think Trump can beat Hillary so no worries.
I think he will beat her resoundingly I'm not voting for him or her but can see this train wreck getting the nod ...

i'd vote libertarian if it counted for anything. I can not stand Hillary (and her husband is my favorite president ever!)

Gern Blansten · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
yeah it would still be there and you would still have your toys

background checks would be stronger and gun show purchases would be restricted...how awful
I live in new jersey, the land of multiple back ground checks and a place were gun shows are illegal.

so even if Obama had his way you would not be affected in any way

mcgruff10 · May 2016

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
yeah it would still be there and you would still have your toys

background checks would be stronger and gun show purchases would be restricted...how awful
I live in new jersey, the land of multiple back ground checks and a place were gun shows are illegal.
so even if Obama had his way you would not be affected in any way

we are still allowed to own the "scary" guns. so it would effect us.

Gern Blansten · May 2016

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
yeah it would still be there and you would still have your toys

background checks would be stronger and gun show purchases would be restricted...how awful
I live in new jersey, the land of multiple back ground checks and a place were gun shows are illegal.
so even if Obama had his way you would not be affected in any way
we are still allowed to own the "scary" guns. so it would effect us.

What legislation was Obama sponsoring that would take that AR-15 away? You suggested that if he would have had a Dem congress it would be different. What bill? Or is it an imaginary bill that you refer to like most right wingers when discussing gun laws?

josevolution · May 2016

Yeah everybody says Obama wants to take my guns but I still yet to see any legislation that has affected any gun owners as far as I see it nothing has changed nada !!!!

mcgruff10 · May 2016

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mcgruff10 said:

josevolution said:
Don't worry people once Trump is in WH all good to go with gun parties everywhere please just shoot them into ground not in the air !!! No more worries about anyone taking your weapons from you like Obama has been doing right , you'll be able to walk in the streets with your guns on just about any American town !!
Obama doesn't have the luxury of having a democratic congress. If he did I can't even imagine what the second amendment would look like after two terms (probably like New Jersey!).
yeah it would still be there and you would still have your toys

background checks would be stronger and gun show purchases would be restricted...how awful
I live in new jersey, the land of multiple back ground checks and a place were gun shows are illegal.
so even if Obama had his way you would not be affected in any way
we are still allowed to own the "scary" guns. so it would effect us.
What legislation was Obama sponsoring that would take that AR-15 away? You suggested that if he would have had a Dem congress it would be different. What bill? Or is it an imaginary bill that you refer to like most right wingers when discussing gun laws?

What’s in Obama’s Gun Control Proposal (2013 gun proposal) http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/01/16/us/obama-gun-control-proposal.html?_r=0
The initiative to reduce gun violence announced by President Obama on Wednesday includes both legislative proposals that would need to be acted on by Congress and executive actions he can do on his own. Many of the executive actions involve the president directing agencies to do a better job of sharing information.
Proposed Congressional Actions
Requiring criminal background checks for all gun sales, including those by private sellers that currently are exempt.
Reinstating and strengthening the ban on assault weapons that was in place from 1994 to 2004.
Limiting ammunition magazines to 10 rounds.
Banning the possession of armor-piercing bullets by anyone other than members of the military and law enforcement.
Increasing criminal penalties for "straw purchasers," people who pass the required background check to buy a gun on behalf of someone else.
Acting on a $4 billion administration proposal to help keep 15,000 police officers on the street.
Confirming President Obama's nominee for director of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Eliminating a restriction that requires the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to allow the importation of weapons that are more than 50 years old.
Financing programs to train more police officers, first responders and school officials on how to respond to active armed attacks.
Provide additional $20 million to help expand the a system that tracks violent deaths across the nation from 18 states to 50 states.
Providing $30 million in grants to states to help schools develop emergency response plans.
Providing financing to expand mental health programs for young people.

mace1229 · May 2016

Indirectly he has. The fear that he will actually do something has driven the gun and ammo prices so high (good if you're anti-gun I suppose). Fear he's going to regulate ammo, which he hasn't, has made ammo prices triple since he's been in office.
Ammo shelves at many places are always empty because so many are stock piling ammo for when he starts regulating, or stamping every single bullet they wont need to buy it. But its not going to happen while he's in office.

mcgruff10 · May 2016

mace1229 said:
Indirectly he has. The fear that he will actually do something has driven the gun and ammo prices so high (good if you're anti-gun I suppose). Fear he's going to regulate ammo, which he hasn't, has made ammo prices triple since he's been in office.
Ammo shelves at many places are always empty because so many are stock piling ammo for when he starts regulating, or stamping every single bullet they wont need to buy it. But its not going to happen while he's in office.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/05/obama-best-gun-salesman-on-earth-stock-picker.html
beginning of article:
Louis Navellier, known for his stock selection prowess, is betting on two firearms companies that have been swept up in a nationwide buying frenzy sparked by Americans concerned about President Barack Obama's intentions regarding gun control and their safety following terrorist attacks in San Bernardino, California, and Paris late last year.

Navellier said he owns Sturm Ruger and Smith & Wesson, which were both sharply higher Tuesday morning, ahead of Obama's planned formal announcement about executive actions he wants to take to restrict gun sales.

"Mr. Obama is the best gun salesman on the planet," the chairman of Navellier Associates told CNBC's "Squawk Box," adding that he has not gotten any pushback from investors concerned about profiting from gun stocks. "They just want us to make money."

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