Paris Attacks
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There it is.... "The fine line between free speech and incitement to hatred".jnimhaoileoin said:The situation in France has long been precarious with regard to cultural tensions, so I can see how his comments would be deemed unhelpful, if not downright inflammatory. Yes he went through a terrible experience but that does not free him from any responsibility for his subsequent words or actions. This may sound alarmist but there's a fine line between free speech and incitement to hatred
Let's just surrender our right to speech to the radical islamists shall we?
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TBH, unless i read an edited version of the statement, I don't even think his comments were particularly inflammatory, considering the source. I mean geez, cut the guy a break. He's been traumatized in a shooting massacre. I think he's earned a little elbow room here. I think it's a bit fucked that he's being blacklisted now.Post edited by PJ_Soul onWith all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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I'm struggling here too. Either I've missed something or people are way too gawddamn sensitive.PJ_Soul said:TBH, unless i read an edited version of the statement, I don't even think his comments were particularly inflammatory, considering the source. I mean geez, cut the guy a break. He's be traumatized in a shooting massacre. I think he's earned a little elbow room here. I think it's a bit fucked that he's being blacklisted now.
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You didn't miss anything. People are too gawddamn sensitive. I think he showed restraint in his comments.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I'm struggling here too. Either I've missed something or people are way too gawddamn sensitive.PJ_Soul said:TBH, unless i read an edited version of the statement, I don't even think his comments were particularly inflammatory, considering the source. I mean geez, cut the guy a break. He's be traumatized in a shooting massacre. I think he's earned a little elbow room here. I think it's a bit fucked that he's being blacklisted now.
"I'll use the magic word - let's just shut the fuck up, please." EV, 04/13/080 -
As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe0
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Historically the approach has been capitulationjnimhaoileoin said:As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe
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You're not afraid to ruffle feathers are you?BS44325 said:
Historically the approach has been capitulationjnimhaoileoin said:As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe
"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Definitely not. I take a pretty hard line on the right to speech...even when it offends me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're not afraid to ruffle feathers are you?BS44325 said:
Historically the approach has been capitulationjnimhaoileoin said:As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe
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I think regardless of whatever conflict you have found yourself in over the years on this forum... I have to commend you on your ability to deal with the fallout you sometimes generate- exercising free speech- without emotion.BS44325 said:
Definitely not. I take a pretty hard line on the right to speech...even when it offends me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're not afraid to ruffle feathers are you?BS44325 said:
Historically the approach has been capitulationjnimhaoileoin said:As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe
Ruffling feathers is a good thing. It really is provided it's driven by remote levels of intelligence and not by obvious measures designed purposely to agitate."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Well I appreciate that and I really think on this issue (EODM being removed from festivals for Jesse Hughes' post-attack beliefs) the entire board should be in agreement. This is a music forum at root and protecting an artists right to speak is paramount. I disagree with PJ on so much politically but as I have always said I would fight to allow them to speak their views in any forum they wish. It is this freedom that ultimately sets us a part from so many parts of the world and when you infringe upon it even slightly then you are opening the door for far more dangerous events in the future.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I think regardless of whatever conflict you have found yourself in over the years on this forum... I have to commend you on your ability to deal with the fallout you sometimes generate- exercising free speech- without emotion.BS44325 said:
Definitely not. I take a pretty hard line on the right to speech...even when it offends me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're not afraid to ruffle feathers are you?BS44325 said:
Historically the approach has been capitulationjnimhaoileoin said:As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe
Ruffling feathers is a good thing. It really is provided it's driven by remote levels of intelligence and not by obvious measures designed purposely to agitate.0 -
I have to admit to conforming at times: I sometimes bite my lip when I feel strongly about something... or I say something that won't 'ruffle feathers'. I'm not brutal, but I'm not great at voicing my convictions. Not that I think they're poor thoughts and best reserved for secrecy... more that I'm not willing to deal with the fallout from the widely accepted and valued opinion for lack of will or energy.BS44325 said:
Well I appreciate that and I really think on this issue (EODM being removed from festivals for Jesse Hughes' post-attack beliefs) the entire board should be in agreement. This is a music forum at root and protecting an artists right to speak is paramount. I disagree with PJ on so much politically but as I have always said I would fight to allow them to speak their views in any forum they wish. It is this freedom that ultimately sets us a part from so many parts of the world and when you infringe upon it even slightly then you are opening the door for far more dangerous events in the future.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I think regardless of whatever conflict you have found yourself in over the years on this forum... I have to commend you on your ability to deal with the fallout you sometimes generate- exercising free speech- without emotion.BS44325 said:
Definitely not. I take a pretty hard line on the right to speech...even when it offends me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're not afraid to ruffle feathers are you?BS44325 said:
Historically the approach has been capitulationjnimhaoileoin said:As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe
Ruffling feathers is a good thing. It really is provided it's driven by remote levels of intelligence and not by obvious measures designed purposely to agitate."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
I just draw the line where i think getting banned from boards will kick in.With all its sham, drudgery, and broken dreams, it is still a beautiful world. Be careful. Strive to be happy. ~ Desiderata0
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I am that way at times as well...there is a time and a few place for everything. I don't pull punches on these boards because otherwise what's the point. However, if you met me at a pj show or pj pre-drink you wouldn't get a peep of politics out of me. That isn't out of fear from fallout but out of knowing when it's time to battle vs when it's time to just party.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I have to admit to conforming at times: I sometimes bite my lip when I feel strongly about something... or I say something that won't 'ruffle feathers'. I'm not brutal, but I'm not great at voicing my convictions. Not that I think they're poor thoughts and best reserved for secrecy... more that I'm not willing to deal with the fallout from the widely accepted and valued opinion for lack of will or energy.BS44325 said:
Well I appreciate that and I really think on this issue (EODM being removed from festivals for Jesse Hughes' post-attack beliefs) the entire board should be in agreement. This is a music forum at root and protecting an artists right to speak is paramount. I disagree with PJ on so much politically but as I have always said I would fight to allow them to speak their views in any forum they wish. It is this freedom that ultimately sets us a part from so many parts of the world and when you infringe upon it even slightly then you are opening the door for far more dangerous events in the future.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
I think regardless of whatever conflict you have found yourself in over the years on this forum... I have to commend you on your ability to deal with the fallout you sometimes generate- exercising free speech- without emotion.BS44325 said:
Definitely not. I take a pretty hard line on the right to speech...even when it offends me.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
You're not afraid to ruffle feathers are you?BS44325 said:
Historically the approach has been capitulationjnimhaoileoin said:As I've said, you need to take the particular situation into account. An understanding of French culture and politics would likely help, not to mention that we just generally have a different approach in Europe
Ruffling feathers is a good thing. It really is provided it's driven by remote levels of intelligence and not by obvious measures designed purposely to agitate.0 -
Totally but there is a way to have these disagreements without moving into banned territory. There are some people I debated with heavily over the last couple of years who apparently are now banned. It's almost as if they just couldn't help themselves when confronted with opposing view points.PJ_Soul said:I just draw the line where i think getting banned from boards will kick in.
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And unfortunate too because I think they were quality people and could have used the exercise to hone their control.BS44325 said:
Totally but there is a way to have these disagreements without moving into banned territory. There are some people I debated with heavily over the last couple of years who apparently are now banned. It's almost as if they just couldn't help themselves when confronted with opposing view points.PJ_Soul said:I just draw the line where i think getting banned from boards will kick in.
You've also said a mouthful with the first part of what you wrote: for example, Godfather takes a beating on here, but does anybody think he wouldn't open up his fridge, feed you beer and whatever else he had in his fridge, play some good music, and expect nothing in return if you sat on his deck with him?
Point should be obvious: deep down... we're all the same. Our vantage points are the only thing that is different. We might not see things the same, but we came to those views on our own very unique paths that if someone else had walked... they'd be there as well."My brain's a good brain!"0 -
It's not hard folks.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
And unfortunate too because I think they were quality people and could have used the exercise to hone their control.BS44325 said:
Totally but there is a way to have these disagreements without moving into banned territory. There are some people I debated with heavily over the last couple of years who apparently are now banned. It's almost as if they just couldn't help themselves when confronted with opposing view points.PJ_Soul said:I just draw the line where i think getting banned from boards will kick in.
You've also said a mouthful with the first part of what you wrote: for example, Godfather takes a beating on here, but does anybody think he wouldn't open up his fridge, feed you beer and whatever else he had in his fridge, play some good music, and expect nothing in return if you sat on his deck with him?
Point should be obvious: deep down... we're all the same. Our vantage points are the only thing that is different. We might not see things the same, but we came to those views on our own very unique paths that if someone else had walked... they'd be there as well.
Don't ruffle feathers and always agree with the majority in every thread on this forum.
Never say anything that you think others may disagree with you could get banned.0 -
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No. Do ruffle feathers and challenge what you feel needs to be challenged. But be mindful to focus on the topic and less on the person delivering the counter argument.
(Advice I have ignored at times)"My brain's a good brain!"0 -
Of course but this is what drives me crazy the most! When I see people "who are all the same" make excuses for or encourage the silencing of speech they disagree with it reminds me that freedom is not guaranteed. Tyranny requires the work of rational people to slowly cede ground to the predators in their midst.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
And unfortunate too because I think they were quality people and could have used the exercise to hone their control.BS44325 said:
Totally but there is a way to have these disagreements without moving into banned territory. There are some people I debated with heavily over the last couple of years who apparently are now banned. It's almost as if they just couldn't help themselves when confronted with opposing view points.PJ_Soul said:I just draw the line where i think getting banned from boards will kick in.
You've also said a mouthful with the first part of what you wrote: for example, Godfather takes a beating on here, but does anybody think he wouldn't open up his fridge, feed you beer and whatever else he had in his fridge, play some good music, and expect nothing in return if you sat on his deck with him?
Point should be obvious: deep down... we're all the same. Our vantage points are the only thing that is different. We might not see things the same, but we came to those views on our own very unique paths that if someone else had walked... they'd be there as well.0 -
either that, or we just found better ways to spend our time. i never come around here anymore.BS44325 said:
Totally but there is a way to have these disagreements without moving into banned territory. There are some people I debated with heavily over the last couple of years who apparently are now banned. It's almost as if they just couldn't help themselves when confronted with opposing view points.PJ_Soul said:I just draw the line where i think getting banned from boards will kick in.
"You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry." - Lincoln
"Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."0 -
No doubt, Thirty. And bless you (shh, callen!) for the latter sentiment.Thirty Bills Unpaid said:
And unfortunate too because I think they were quality people and could have used the exercise to hone their control.BS44325 said:
Totally but there is a way to have these disagreements without moving into banned territory. There are some people I debated with heavily over the last couple of years who apparently are now banned. It's almost as if they just couldn't help themselves when confronted with opposing view points.PJ_Soul said:I just draw the line where i think getting banned from boards will kick in.
You've also said a mouthful with the first part of what you wrote: for example, Godfather takes a beating on here, but does anybody think he wouldn't open up his fridge, feed you beer and whatever else he had in his fridge, play some good music, and expect nothing in return if you sat on his deck with him?
Point should be obvious: deep down... we're all the same. Our vantage points are the only thing that is different. We might not see things the same, but we came to those views on our own very unique paths that if someone else had walked... they'd be there as well.0
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